Push/Pull Analysis

My fellow Social Jedi,

Let's talk about the cream of the crop of attraction and arousal tools - the*** Push/Pull***.

Push/Pull means* to (emotionally and/or physically) push her away, and then to pull her back in.*

*Push- *any comment or action that pushes the woman away from you.

teasing
not fully answering her question
leaving a mystery about yourself
take aways (mini as well)
breaking rapport
anything that makes them work for you.

*Pull- *any comment or action that pulls the woman to you

giving value
compliments
creating rapport
positive statements & things that bring people together
smiles
kino
statements of intent / flirtatious frame

The Push creates emotional space for each Pull. The bigger the space from the Push, the more emotionally intense the Pull will be.

Push/Pull essentially works by

(1) Sparking Unresolved Emotional Tension (Push)

(2) Resolving it (Pull)

This technique creates a balance of energy of the two extremes, and is used to fluster the woman and ramp up attraction.

The Formula of Push/Pull is basic and easy to implement into your own personal style. The (1) spark is ignited by the Push, which is usually an extreme. The tension is then (2) resolved with a Pull, which is an extreme opposite of the Push.

Every Push must have 20% Pull, and every Pull must have 20% Push. - They must flow rhythmically.

*Ex. *

When Pushing - You'll still be smiling, in state, and amusing yourself. Not taking any of it too seriously, and just having fun -> It's a widely accepted theory that women love jerks. Jerks tend to be 100% push, and create huge emotional space that drive women to chase for resolution. We can do the same thing without being emotionally abusive in a way thats fun for you and the woman.

When Pulling - You're still reserved, in state, and not seeking her validation or approval. -> You are authentic, self-validated, and interested - Not self-seeking and trying for rapport. You may be creating rapport, but that's of your own intention, not because you feel it's necessary.

Enough theory, take the concept and make it your own. Get out there and get creative.

(On a side note, I would appreciate feedback on my analysis and if this is able to help people. I am planning on doing further work (such as Push/Pull Types, Tension & Nested Loops, ect.) and I really want to make sure I'm doing it in a way that is beneficial to our community. Any feedback is much appreciated.)

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Got some peppered in around the thread, be sure to add examples to my next post. I've done a lot from the open, so lets try something "in set".

(Kino - grab her hand, holding it, inspecting) (Pull)

You - Jesus christ you've got tiny hands. Like the guy in Scary movie - these are "your strong hands!" (Push)

(her - giggle)

You - Seriously through, you could make a lot of money with hands like these. There are plenty of people who would love nothing more that to take a few pictures of you holding random objects on a white background. (Pull, funny compliment)

(her response)

You - I'm sure you could get a job as one of the women on the Fancy Feast commercials that opens the can of food and the cat comes running over. You could be a star in the wet food industry. (Push)

Her response)

You - After you're in that biz for a while though, work will start flooding in. I'm sure you'll find yourself holding pens and candles in no time. (Pull, resolving the tension of her only being able to work in the cat food industry, and then Pushing by implying that the only work she's cut out for is holding items)

This is silly, fun, playful and can be implemented by anyone in any style and with ease.

Creativity <3

(also feel free to lol @ my examples - I don't use anything canned and these are strictly improved "conversations" I farted out for learning purposes)

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[–]frogma 6 points7 points8 points 15 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If you've ever flirted with a girl before, there's about a 100% chance you've done push/pull, knowingly. If you get laid all the time, then you're naturally doing it already. Guaranteed.

By your logic, every time you talk to someone, you're manipulating them (there's some truth to that). When I smile and say "Hi" to someone, I'm trying to elicit a certain response from them (I'm either trying to move the interaction forward, or knowing it'll end on good terms). Just because I have more knowledge on how to elicit certain responses doesn't really make me manipulative unless you choose to frame it that way- in which case, I'm a pretty manipulative motherfucker.

Let's say your girlfriend's in a new dress and she asks if her ass looks fat in it. Her ass does look pretty fat in it, but you say "No, it looks great" (which would be considered a "pull"). That's some manipulative shit right there, if you choose to see it that way. I choose to look at it a bit differently.

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[–]frogma 10 points11 points12 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is where it gets interesting and where the real discussion comes in. If you're doing way more pulling than pushing, you're all-but-guaranteed to get blown out or friend-zoned (unless you're really sexual or you already have a ton of value in her eyes). Every chump in the world knows how to "pull." Go to a bar tonight and just "pull," and watch what happens. Look at all the other guys simply pulling. Pulling would be like when you buy a girl a drink instead of saying something like "I don't buy drinks for strangers" (which is a push). Buying her a drink is a chump move, and it won't garner any respect for you unless the girl already knows you're a high-value guy. Complimenting a girl works the same way. Tell her she's beautiful, and she'll add you to the list of 10000 guys who've said the exact same thing while they were trying to get in her pants. That's why if you are pulling, you better be mixing it with some pushing.

OR, you can tease her about something (push, mixed with a little pull maybe)- maybe she's wearing a band shirt and you don't like the band, so you tease her about it. How many chumps have the balls to do that? Not many. And if you make it playful, all you're really doing is flirting with her. It's a really simple concept (one of the central concepts of "seduction"). It's tied into confidence (you're not trying to impress this random girl), it's tied into abundance (she's a random girl, you can get any other girl if you want), etc. The girl isn't the prize, so there's no reason to be constantly "pulling." She won't want to fuck you if all you're doing is trying to gain her favor and impress her, and showing a ton of interest in her. She'll want to fuck that other guy who isn't doing those things (he's higher-value, so he feels no need to do those things).

If you're going out a lot, this is shit you'll naturally learn to do, because it's what works- it takes social intelligence to know how and why it works.

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[–]frogma 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm just speaking from experience here. Ask 17-year-old me about this shit and I'd tell you all about pulling. Ask the way-more-experienced me and I'll tell you what I'm telling you now. When you actually have abundance (maybe you have multiple fuck buddies, maybe you've fucked 10 girls in the last 10 days), you will naturally be doing a lot more pushing, because you won't care about it so much. You won't be attached to the outcome, because you have so many other options. This isn't something I learned from reading seduction material, it's just what I naturally learned to do. It's the entire basis of teasing, qualifying, and building sexual tension. Some of the best nights I've ever had were when I only used pushing (constant teasing, constant put-downs) and the girl responded similarly. Then we fucked like banshees. The sexual tension was palpable.

I don't know if we're on the same page about what push/pull actually is, because I still think you probably do it a lot without realizing it (though it looks like you have a girlfriend, so maybe not- and be careful with that). If you're only pulling, chances are you consider the girl the prize, and you feel like you need to work for her affection and all of that AFC-style thinking. Or you're purely playing a numbers game and picking up the girls who happen to be open to whatever you're doing. Anyone can play the numbers game. Hopefully TofuTofu can pop in and give you a better explanation (he's a huge proponent of the "physical push/pull"- which works like a charm).

Edit: And sorry about the downvotes, but you're probably being downvoted because push/pull really is such a central component of building attraction. I know your line of thinking, but I think you're still misunderstanding how it works. It definitely works, there's no doubt about that. And it's really only manipulative if you're doing it a certain way with a certain mindset. Otherwise it's just normal interaction.

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[–]frogma3 points 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I can probably elaborate more later, but I'll go through it a bit.

The great thing about teasing is it's pretty obvious that you're into the girl, but the tease itself is usually showing some sort of disinterest (like "You're such a blahblahblah!" or "Why do you even like that band??" or you can be more flirty with something like "You're such a tease!"- just observe something about her and make light of it). What you basically want is for her to tease you back and get some playful banter going. That alone is enough to build attraction to the point of making out (and the trick is to close the proximity/escalate kino at the same time). You can open with teasing- like in Throwaway's FR the other day, his opening line was basically a tease (albeit a bit self-deprecating). I'll always tease a girl standing alone in a bar just by playfully saying "Why are you standing alone??"

The way I usually push in day game (or any time, but day game especially), is to open the girl with something normal, chat with her pretty normally, but then I'll be more "invested" in myself and the environment instead of her. So my body language will be showing disinterest. Then I might tease her, make solid eye contact, and kino a bit, and then go right back to that disinterested frame. And generally in day game I like to get girls to qualify more- so if there's a silence, I'll let it stay silent and let her pick up the convo. I might ask her about herself, or seriously just tease her about random shit we're talking about. I keep it playful.

It's never too late to push, but usually if I've isolated the girl and I'm escalating, everything gets more open and sexual (or we won't be talking at all because we're already kissing). Still, I'll usually be teasing her about shit all the way to bed. It's not exactly "making fun" of her, it's usually pretty light and very playful. If she's not giggling, or qualifying herself, or getting "mock"-offended, then you're not doing it right.

Keep in mind, there's a trillion-billion ways to push. I usually do some sort of reality-destroyer at some point. I might say something only an asshole would say (like "You're a bitch!") or I might walk away in the middle of a conversation. Those are heavier things, but it's also as simple as purposely not making eye contact, or questioning her about something you have an issue with, or just a little neg ("You have something on your shirt").

You can do literally anything that shows some sort of disinterest, and the whole point is you're not falling head-over-heels for this random ass girl. But also do some pulling, or you can even just escalate kino in whatever way you can. As long as you're escalating, you're solid. But if you're only pulling, there's a good chance the girl might get turned-off, or she'll give you major LMR because you're basically whoring yourself out to her (and chances are, if you're not pushing at all, you're probably doing some supplicating pussy shit). You gotta make her work for it a bit, and the main way to do that is by getting her to qualify herself, or by doing some other sort of pushing.

[–]RaptorButts2 points 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

How do you do it when you clearly have intentions for the woman?

Intent is a necessity, but with an abundance mentality, you're not attached to the outcome. Not pushing shows you're afraid of losing her, or having the interaction go wrong. All pull with no push comes off as a scarcity mindset, and shows an inability to flirt. It puts you in the beta role too - you're not comfortable enough around her to play with her. You're afraid that if you upset her, you'll lose her - and in that case, you've already lost.

Pushing is a natural part of interactions. People tease constantly, and statements that push others away are a natural part of our speech.

Think about this: Friends tease one another a lot. If you have a friend that doesn't tease you ever, that might be fine but it's probably going to be a pretty dry friendship (not fun for women who run emotionally).

If you have a friend that teases all the time and never resolves the tension created, you're gonna think that friend is a huge prick.

However, if you have a friend that teases you (a natural part of human bonding), and still pulls and solidifies your friendship on occasion, you're probably going to keep that friend for a while, and feel great about the time spent.

"Nice beard Grizzly Adams.(Push)

I like it though, its rugged.(Pull)"

You approach and start pushing... seems a little unrealistic. Can I have an example?

"Hey, I wanted to meet you, I'm <>" (Pull, value giving, especially in state)

"You reminded me of my friend Kat, she's got that aura of bitchiness with the surly body language too" (Push)

(response)

"You seem kinda sweet though. At the end of the day, I bet you're really a nice girl." (Pull, and reignited some tension - she does not want to be the "nice girl")

"Only thing is, I don't like the nice girls. We can still be friends though." *(Push)

You can see how this can go forever with some basic creativity. This is the kind of attraction that gets women so unbelievably hot.

*Btw, I use Push/Pull constantly in my interactions. This 'technique' is a clear indicator of the divide between abundance and scarcity mentality. I use it in my relationship as I would in any relationship or pickup because it's fun as hell for you and your woman -> and it eliminates any neediness. You do not mind if she overreacted to a push and walked out. You can walk down the street and pull a girl to bed, you don't need her.

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I just don't like the whole deal of messing around with the psychology of things just to draw someone in

Would it be better if you didn't know you were doing it?

Most people pick up on these queues subconsciously and use them without realizing it to build attraction with someone they are attracted to themselves. These "tricks" are built into our psychology because they are meant to be used naturally by social, independent, and attractive individuals.

Women, AND men, both naturally respond to these social queues because they help us to discern who would be an emotionally healthy person to be with who is social, independent, and strong.

People are here because they never learned these queues, it's like they just don't know the language of how to communicate with the opposite sex (or with other men in some cases -- pick up can be used on both sexes very effectively. a lot of the same rules apply for a woman picking up a guy as a guy picking up a woman). You wouldn't really condemn someone for taking classes to learn russian if they live in russia would you? This is similar to that. Men want to learn how to communicate with women so they learn the language of emotional and physical communication with women.

I agree that to some extent it is "messing" around with the psychology of things, but that is really on more of a person to person level. Some guys on here are going to abuse it, just like some people use language to lie. Other guys are going to use it to help women to understand how great they really are. The idea of push/pull is not in itself bad, but really how you apply it.

Personally i wish more PUA manuals and guides would teach ethical pick up, but in the end, that's really up to the person who uses the material.

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[–]betsapp91 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

I am actually a girl. I subscribe to seddit because I do a lot of seducing in my spare time. It normally works.

I can see the whole push/pull thing, only because I participate in a lot of banter, but it never really seems like a push to me. When I make funny little (often negative) remarks toward someone I'm apparently interested in, it normally seems just to be a pull. I never follow up with a "pull" statement, because the small jokes and things, that are referred to here as a "push," suffice.

I've had quite a few relationships that all ended at very different levels, and I flirt like it's a sport and I'm in the Olympics. It just seems to me that I've never really had to do too much pushing to get a guy interested, even if he's clearly not interested at first.

Of course, I've met guys where I decide the moment I meet them that I'm going to completely seduce them. I'm terrible at hiding it and it's always so completely obvious, but it never seems to turn a guy away. Now, I don't fawn at a guy's feet, begging him to date me, but I never have to do much more than just be myself around the person, meaning that I treat that person the same way that I treat everyone else. The only difference being the occasional glance/smile. There are only "pulls" to draw him in.

As a girl, I hate when guys try to do the "push" part. I understand that there are different levels of pushing, and that some guys can be more harsh than others, but it remains. I don't mind the natural banter; that happens to everyone in every human interaction, it's tolerable. But I don't like when guys purposely act disinterested. I want a guy who's interested in me, not enveloped in his surroundings or himself. It seems a tad arrogant, and I mean just a little bit (so guys of seddit, please don't be offended).

TL;DR - I understand the basic concept of push/pull, but I would like the know the benefits of this from a female POV on a larger scale

[–]frogma 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well this kind of puts a damper on the conversation. I looked at some of your posts and could've sworn you had a girlfriend (?).

Regardless, the way I attract girls isn't supposed to be easily understood by the girls I'm attracting. Girls generally want to be treated like princesses and given all kinds of attention and all that good stuff. That's not what I do, because I learned the hard way that it doesn't build attraction, which is what I'm looking for. I can't explain what makes me attracted to a certain girl beyond saying "oh, I love her smile, and she's really smart and friendly, blah blah blah"- lots of girls fit that description, yet I'm attracted to this one. Couldn't tell you why, though I could try really hard to.

Every chode knows how to pull. Every chode knows how to shower a girl with praise, attention, and affection. If that shit was what actually attracts girls, every chode would be a pimp. Unfortunately for chodes (and my former self), that kind of shit simply isn't attractive (though it definitely can be in certain situations, don't get me wrong).

This is where push/pull (and kino, and escalation, and everything else we talk about here) comes in. As an example of this, look at frats- I've been a pledge and brother at a frat, so I've experienced this first-hand. What happens is the brothers will "pull" you by being cool with you a lot of the time. Then they'll "push" you by making you do shit, and hazing you, and treating you like shit sometimes. And yet as a pledge you still love them and you feel this (sort of sick) need to win their approval. That's push/pull to the extreme (domestic abuse would be another example, I guess), and there's no question that it works. If I had simply walked into the frat and said "I might like to be in this frat" and then the brothers said "Congratulations, you're a brother!", I wouldn't really feel too special about being in the frat. I'd actually be kinda turned-off by how fuckin easy it was to get in. Attraction works in much the same way, especially if I'm a guy trying to get with a girl.

Girls are usually the "prize." They usually have orbiters and other guys trying to win their approval all the time. Instead of being like the rest of those guys, I flip the script on her. Now I'm the prize, and she's naturally gonna want to win my approval (oddly enough, that kind of shit will happen even if the girl isn't very attracted to me). But the question is, how exactly can I flip the script? Well, take a lesson from your typical attractive woman. She has abundance (plenty of options), so how does she act around some random guy she just met? She usually does a lot of push/pull (or exclusively pushes- sometimes literally- if she's not interested at all). She's not trying to impress some random chode.

But for the average guy, holy shit it's a lot different. The average guy doesn't have abundance, and he definitely doesn't have all kinds of women approaching him. His attitude is one of scarcity, so what does he do? He tries to win a girl's approval. He's usually too afraid to approach in the first place so he'll just stare at her like a creep, and when he does get the cojones to approach, he'll compliment her right off the bat. If he's semi-decent at conversation, he'll build some rapport with her by talking about random shit (assuming she hasn't already blown him off). He'll probably brag to her about shit he's done. He probably won't really connect with her on an emotional level at all (though he might). Throughout all this, there's no attraction being built (unless he looks like Brad Pitt). The girl isn't doing any work whatsoever, so the guy is almost literally whoring himself out to her. That isn't very attractive. If he wants to build more attraction (and if he wants to get her in bed with him), he'll probably have to do some push/pull and make her actually feel the desire to sleep with him. He needs to show her that he's not needy, and that he can be with any other girl in the place if he wanted. The easiest way to do that (besides walking in with a bunch of girls or whatever) is to act in a manner that proves he doesn't need her approval. Girls want to want to be chased, but what they actually want is to do the chasing. So while she's being chased by these other chodes, she's busy chasing after that guy who isn't chasing her.

And in regards to "fake" shit, none of this shit should be faked, it should be internalized. I've never been called out for being "try-hard" or anything like that. In other words, you're not gonna realize what I'm doing if I'm doing it right.

[Sidenote: If I approach a girl with a really sexual, dominant, pretty aggressive frame, I can bypass all of this shit and get her into bed in a heartbeat- and I have before, but the success rate with that will be miniscule if you don't know exactly what you're doing. Escalation alone will solve a lot of guys' problems. But push/pull will also help.]

[–]betsapp91 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well then, it seems as though you're a master of seduction.

I think I kind of get what you're saying. I might do a lot of the pushing subconsciously, I suppose. I like the pull of interaction, and I really dislike the push (if it's harsh), but I guess my experiences are just a tad different. If the push/pull is natural/subtle enough, I guess I wouldn't really have a problem with it. I've dealt with a lot of guys who tried to "push" and were just so obvious that it was a huge turn-off to me. However, I suppose that, if done right, the push/pull may be a very useful skill. I guess the way I can see it is: If it weren't for the push, the pull would not be a pull; there would be no basis for judgement.

Since you seem to be very educated on this issue, I'd like to bring up a question that ilurkokcupid mentioned a little earlier... If I were to use this push/pull technique to reel someone in, would I stop using this technique at some point after the relationship has been established? My guess would be no, only because it would jeopardize the chemistry of things, but I'd love some elaboration if you could contribute.

[–]frogma 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just trust me when I say you're pushing all the time without realizing it.

I really dislike the push (if it's harsh)

That's exactly the point. You're not supposed to like it. But it builds attraction if I'm doing it right. Think of it this way: Let's say your parents are cool and they buy you a new toy every day. Then one day they give you a teddy bear. How much value does that bear have for you? Not much, because you get new shit constantly. Whereas let's say your parents are jerks and they never give you shit, but one day your mom gives you a teddy bear. That same bear will have a ton of value in your eyes. It's shitty that you weren't getting toys all the time, but that's all the more reason for you to love the shit out of this random teddy bear. That's extreme push/pull, and it works.

Or you can think about it in terms of compliance/qualification: If your parents give you new shit every day, the bear is worth nothing to you. But let's say they only give you shit when you bring home a good report card. You're naturally gonna want to do better in school so you can get that teddy bear. That's basically how qualification works, and it's a form of pushing. If you have self-respect and some sort of standards for who you sleep with, you'll probably be getting the other person to qualify themselves.

To answer your question, no, it never ends. Keep in mind, it's something you're always doing in some form. Let's say your friend's talking to you and you're looking somewhere else. That's a bit of a push. But if you make eye contact, that's a bit of a pull. So unless you're blind, you're "using" push/pull with your eyes all the time. But instead of just not understanding how it works, why not figure out how to be good at it? Like if I'm chatting with a girl and then I just walk away from her for no reason, I know (like clockwork) she's probably gonna come reinitiate the conversation- because I've pushed her away, creating this gap, and she has a natural desire to close that gap.

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I don't like when guys purposely act disinterested. I want a guy who's interested in me, not enveloped in his surroundings or himself.

Of course you would want this. Not to say that acting disinterested all the time is a good idea or anything like what we do, but the fact that the members of community shouldn't act the way you want. You'd notice a comparable difference in the attraction you'll have for a guy who's really into you and validating you on a couple different levels, and a guy who's playful and fun, and you're really unsure of whats gonna happen with it.

Just saying, what you're asking for out of guys is predictability (you know you can seduce him) and attention. What we give you is an unpredictable encounter with an authentically interesting high value guy who doesn't need or want your validation.

So what you get out of push/pull (besides the massive arousal which is a huge benefit unless yer' celibate) is some fun, challenge, and intrigue. It's stuff like push/pull and cocky/funny that drive women wild, especially compared to a chode who will do anything for your validation (IE give you all the attention you want and make you the center of his world).

TL;DR - You get a true experience with an actual male.

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Understandable totally. I think that a huge discrepency between the your views and my own is our background. You're a girl, and you have this image in your head of what you respond to, and what you want. However, I'm a man. I know that fuzzy image you have in your mind of a perfect guy, and I know that imitating that guy in reality would be a deadly error (not to mention straight up manipulative). The whole purpose of this forum is for guys to really understand what forces TRULY cause attraction, and what being a man is really all about. Women think that they can give great advice to guys as to what they respond to, but quite frankly they are just plain off. A girl will say she hates cocky bad boys with attitudes, and still find herself dripping wet at the first playful interaction with one.

TL;DR - We got this shit. I appreciate your input and feedback but I don't think you truly know what you respond to on a subconscious level.

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Title	Push/Pull Analysis
Author	RaptorButts
Upvotes	73
Comments	56
Date	June 3, 2011 4:40 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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