The breaking point...

A fun thought has occured to me and I thought today I would share it.

We have no free will. What I mean by this is that we are governed by what we know (nurture) and our genetic disposition(nature).

We all make decisions based on valued concepts we have ingrained into our mind. All things are weighted. We are a complex algorithym fed by past reality, currently reality, and percieved future reality.

We here at seddit are trying to modify what we know to be truth in order to gain an outcome we wish to attain. We know what we want because of our instincts (genetic disposition) and because of what we are conditioned to know (nurture).

So as to the title, the breaking point, I want to tell you this. You must want the outcome more than you fear the fears you harbor.

You fear things because they are unknown variables that your forethought has conjured up mixed in with some ancient instincts that don't matter anymore.

The question isn't, "how bad do you want sex", it is, "how bad do you want to be awesome."

See the part about life that sucks ass is not knowing the answer but what to ask in order to get the answer to your problems.

Certain things will enable you to conquere life the way you want. When you learn these things they will put you on autopilot. They will no longer be things you must think about but your habits will serve your desires without thinking about it.

Do you think about flushing your toilet or turning off the lights before bed anymore? No, you just do that shit because your habits were formed in order to accomodate your other wishes.

Be the master of your domain, the master of your own destiny. Do you think people have your best wishes in mind? No they have their own best wishes in mind. You must first serve and love yourself and find your breaking point and outweight the suck so that you can allow yourself to actually be happy, to achieve, to suceed, to live life as you are going to die tomorrow.

There is no real reasons to be affraid. Stop giving excuses that is your subconsiouses way of making your life at the current moment comfortable.

Let me give you a quick example on why that is bullshit.

Let's say I am going to waste your time rambling. I am going to waste ten minutes of your time. So instead you premeditate my statements and then I get defensive to preserve my own sanity and stay validated. In doing this we burn through 30 minutes.

So what just happened here is that you could have burned 10 minutes but saved 20. It is hard to think ahead. It is hard to FEEL the future.

So the next time you are in line at the store and you think, hey I should talk to that person, and you don't because you "feel funny or ill", then know you are only thinking of preserving the now and not feeling the future awesome. You just boned yourself and not in the good way.

Here is how it seems to go...

Think of something you want
Start thinking about if you really want to do it
Make excuse
Dont' do it, aka fail and not achieve want
Continue to live mediocre or sub-par existence

OR you could...

Think of what you want
Do what you want
Possibly achieve greatness with small chance you fail
If fail, you still lose nothing
Continue living awesome life

Find as much motivation and reasons to actually do what you want. Stop thinking of why you shouldn't and only think of why you should Find your fucking breaking point!!!

We all make excuses... stop fucking doing it!!! Strive towards personal satisfaction and personal perfection.

[–]RenaissanceLover 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]ge995 points 14 years ago [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link

Sigh...

Seddit doesn't need this kind of mental masturbation.

The average AFC needs to get himself out of his comfort zone, better himself, approach and escalate with women or he needs to fuck off.

He doesn't need to contemplate the meaning of life and whether free will exists.

We don't need hundreds of words explaining or justifying this concept. Everything you've written could be learned and disputed from reading the wikipedia entry on free will.

Better men than you or I have devoted their lives in the sciences and philosophy fields to answer this question. You aren't contributing anything new or novel to the discussion about free will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will

In fact this is almost harmful to seddit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will#Believing_in_free_will

In other words, "provoking disbelief in free will" probably causes a belief in fatalism. As discussed earlier in this article, compatibilistic free will is illustrated by statements like "my choices have causes, and an effect – so I affect my future", whereas fatalism is more like "my choices have causes, but no effect – I am powerless".

[–]testmypatience0 points 14 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

compatibilistic free will is illustrated by statements like "my choices have causes, and an effect – so I affect my future",

True

whereas fatalism is more like "my choices have causes, but no effect – I am powerless".

Not what I am talking about at all.

Why?

Reasoning dictates the current percieved best route to achieve something that your knowedge base already knows is pleasant to you or that you percieve may be pleasent to you.
As a person has reasoning then you do effect your life as you are your reasoning and knowledge base and all other factors that effect what you want as well as how you accomplish attaining it

Why it is not fatalism but still not something you have a choice over:

Since you are your reasoning and knowledge base then you have no choice to do what you are going to do but at the same time you are you in which effects your life

If a computer is designed with multiple sectors that all do a job and work together to attain a certain goal then it is going to at points overlap. In this overlap you have occurances where different parts of the mind will put a goal in the que yet decision making is designed to give priority or decide the priority.

Let me give an example that I run into on a general basis.

I am tired, I am hungry, I want sex.

Now if I get food then I won't be hungry but if I get sex then I am pleased but if I get sex and don't eat I will perform terribly and won't get as much satisfaction yet sex is more entertaining than food. I am tired but sex is great and I am hungry. If I don't eat before I sleep I am going to hurt and wake up feeling like shit. If I am tired I can have decent sex because I am not as inhibited and probably will have a damn good time.

So all three concepts are overlapping in different areas and it is hard to choose what you actually want to do or will go through with.

So in a sense you have control but at the same time we are just very complicated formulas.

So what I am getting at is that you can do a few things.

Know what is ultimately the best choice and go autopilot and disregaurd alternate choices
Go with current gut reaction and disregaurd all other items in the que
Struggle with what is best for you and use forethought that you are enabled to use (the more you know the more forethought you have but the less clarity you actually have. A good blanance is hard to attain)

So when it comes to free will you can use whatever method you feel is going to do you the best and go with it. This is actually another decision that you make for your own best interests and is not really your choice as it is part of the formula.

The arguement people have as you pointed out was that sometimes people feel like they have no choice when honestly we have a choice and that is all we are made of but it is a choice that is dictated by a complex formula in which if you look deep enough, no there is no choice but just a huge formula.

I will give an example of this.

We take free will as a way of controlling our chaos. We think that free will is just whatever the fuck we want which is pretty much chaos.

So let's look at the ocean and waves. Are the waves chaotic? Are they just going to do whatever the fuck they feel like? No. They are a precise formula and will act the same way everytime if the same circumstances are put into play as it is mathmatically just that way.

Now let's take a look at your table. Is it smooth? Is there any percievable ridges or bumps? Probably not unless there is a gouge haha. However in reality that tabletop is not smooth. It has ridges and bumps when inspected closely. Also if you inspect this closely enough you will come to understand that the table is just a bunch of energy interacting with each other preventing your stuff from falling through it.

So there is a perception that you have control and there is a perception that you don't.

The thing I was trying to point out is that you can utilize the perception you want to suit your circumstances. For instance do you go up to a woman and bitch slap her or do you try a nicer approach and make a joke and touch her ever so nicely? It depends on what reaction you wish to attain.

You can realize that your mind is a piece of mathmatical genius and trivialize the paranoia you feel or you can weild the force of another perception. It just matters what you want at the time (what your mind has decided is the best course of action to achieve things you like).

On one hand this is very very in depth of how the mind works and is probably philisophical but on the other hand it helps give you choices to what you can wield as a perception to get the job done you wish to get done.

When you wish to get something done you are just doing what is best for you. Since we are all fairly similar we all end up going for similar things. We all at least have two specific commonalities.

We all have the master key of life. What I mean by this is that we all are at the core driven by an emotional core and use logical constructs to attain a higher emotional state or to stay at the status quo of our current status.

I really didn't feel the need or want to write that because I had weighed the outcome to be that you would treat this comment as you do most others. I didn't see it a good utilization to answer with anything more than a no. This is only because of the track record you hold in my mind. Since others requested to see an answer I have produced one as they have no ill will as far as I am concerned.

I know that you, ge99, can do nothing other than what you do with the present circumstances and past experiences of your life and such. You are a product of your gentics and what experiences have been bestowed on you by others or by yourself. I don't hate you but did feel it a waste of my time to respond as the past has shown that you will not be swayed or taught and that you become defensive.

There is no point in smashing my head against a brick wall. A mere no was my excersize in gaining a habit of being more self assured that I have no control over anyone or anything but myself.

I do wish you and others a happy day :)

EDIT: Quite honestly, saying nothing at all would have been my best course of action haha

[–]ge992 points 14 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't hate you but did feel it a waste of my time to respond as the past has shown that you will not be swayed or taught and that you become defensive.

You didn't respond at all.

What did you offer just now that isn't covered by millions of pages of existing philosophy and science?

Why did you just say that a cursory reading of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistimology wouldn't both dispute and offer alternatives.

You also are almost teetering over the cliff of trying to explain human irrationality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationality

These are just quickie wikipedia links to broad topics. You start going inside the branches of these topics and you'll quickly find that what you just posted pales in comparison to the existing and well understood schools of thoughts on this matter.

[–]testmypatience0 points 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Disclaimer: I know your intention. I only reply for my own personal amusement at this point. I will never respond to you again intending to sway you because your personality that you show here on seddit is pointless.

Uh... no. Why? Because irrationality means that there is no ryme or reason to an action or set of actions or decision and that it is purely random. There is ALWAYS a reason, a logic. It may be complicated but there is a reason for everything.

Want to dodge a concept so you change? Too bad that was a logical thing that can be forseen. Want to dodge it again so that you didn't dodge it in the first place? Still possible to be forseen and rationalized. Nothing is truely irrational. Things become irrational when you disect it a specific way.

For the rest of my explanation you can just see what I already had posted before. I am not going to type it all out again haha.

You start going inside the branches of these topics and you'll quickly find that what you just posted pales in comparison to the existing and well understood schools of thoughts on this matter.

Pretty sure there is no point in why you posted that. (yea yea sometimes I like to poke the bear. Gonna rawrrr some more? Why even try? Do you see a point? Do you foresee ever swaying me or almost anyone? You do realize I am only responding to you as entertainment now right? Yes that may be demented but hey, I love amusing myself and I sure don't care if you ever agree with me. )

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Troll?

I can see how you would think that. Sometimes my reading comprehension isn't as good as I'd like. To be honest I think seddit has become a playground for "The Secret" esque Deeprak Choprah pseudo science and circle jerk inner game nonsense.

Been around for about 8 months now, lurked for 3 or 4 and had to delete an account with FRs because a female redditor complicated the shit out of my social circle. Seddit was much better back then and I'd like to think I'm being the tough love drill sergeant and trying react harshly to what I find as fluff.

This is the second or third time now you've said something about my character and its a little annoying considering your submission and comment history. Pretty sure you said the same bs to other sedditors too. Going to have to call you out now.

You write these grandous theories about logic and emototion yet two months ago was asking Why does it physically hurt when I am depressed? and being called out for not knowing the material at all. You have obvious oneitus and issues to deal with your ex being part of your life. You have also joked about suicide ( twice, can't find the other link, you scared askreddit ) and were pretty frank about drinking yourself stupid and crying.

The weak credibility and banal content of your grandiose ramblings is what I'm trying to highlight to other sedditors. Life seems to have shit all over you, which sucks and I feel for you bro, but its obviously messing with your head.

The fact that you are a mod now means your posts are taken a bit more seriously by other sedditors and to be honest, and I think anybody will agree with the links I've posted, your posts should be taken less seriously.

I don't have a problem with all of your content, just the ones when you try to be the expert to life and post worthless "how life works" platitudes that have no real meaning or truth considering the sciences and philosophies have been arguing about them since the beginning of man.

Why does it physically hurt when I am depressed?

I wanted to know the reasons behind it.

being called out for not knowing the material at all.

How is this about knowing material? I was asking for challenges.

You have obvious oneitus and issues to deal with your ex being part of your life.

You seem not to know what oneitus actually is.

deal with your ex being part of your life

Wanted to know why this happens.

You have also joked about suicide ( twice, can't find the other link, you scared askreddit ) and were pretty frank about drinking yourself stupid and crying.

I really don't have many boundaries and death is definitely not a boundary I have. I can't really percieve why people freak out so much about it or how what I said even points to contemplating suicide or joking about it. Ehhh shrug Yea... people go and drink. I am no exception to that. What's the point there? Did I say I had cried?

The weak credibility and banal content of your grandiose ramblings

Grandiose? Uh... no. Fuck arguing about that because that is what you like but hey I got a few minutes to kill. ;)

Life seems to have shit all over you, which sucks and I feel for you bro, but its obviously messing with your head.

Why yes it has but I am dealing with it pretty decently and sometimes have lapses of feeling the suck. That happens to everyone. I have no boundary when it comes to sharing so I share freely.

There are many factions of seddit. I just post a lot so you see a lot you may not like because it is obvious you just don't like the content I post. Others are not you. Sorry buddy.

If this is true then there should be no seddit at all. Life works in specific ways. I'm sorry if that scares the piss out of you and makes you defensive. Honestly someone had to become defensive and scared. Not everything pleases everyone. No biggy.

People are simple creatures when broken down into the small bits. Finding those small bits is a pain in the ass because we see symptoms of the core. We have to reverse engineer everything or just test a shit load of stuff to figure out what works. Hell seddit is just that. We are sharing concepts of things we find to work, things we think that may work, and present new questions to breakdown.

I know some things but I also do not know many other things. If I knew all things I wouldn't need to ask anything and I would know exactly what to react to and what not to even touch.

Not sure if you believe in God or Jesus but someone told me this if you believe in Jesus.

If Jesus was perfect and he couldn't even use perfection to sway all minds then it seems that some people will never react the way you want no matter what. This gave me peace in knowing that, hey, it is perfectly ok for some people to just not like me or what I say.

Look man, I know you want to help out, I know you are trying to be useful and prevent the hearts and minds of other guys and gals. I don't want you to stop that either but I would like you to look at what you post before you post.

Do you think being harsh will win the hearts and minds of people? No it won't. People get defensive and will deny what you say even more. Want to sway people? Then be kind, patient, secure in what you know, and understand that you can't win by force.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If you force it to drink you will piss off the horse or drown it. Does that help at all? Nope.

I have not been upset by your comments at all tonight because I know that, hey, in the long run the only thing that matters is that I wanted to be a part of the conversation, that you did, and possibly you will see my point of view as I already have seen and completely understood yours. It is extremely hard to see life from anothers point of view.

Someone posted here on reddit a thought. They said that when christians and athiests argued they weren't trying to be right. They were trying to help the other because they felt their truth was the truth. They just did it in an awful way.

Don't worry man. It's ok. Smile, eat some icecrea, or do whatever makes you happy. If downvoting makes you happy then go ahead. I am cool with that. :)

[–]671futbol 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]RyanOnymous 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Free will - acting as you wish
No free will - acting as you have to

You have to act based on how decision making is done. Decision making is value based utilizing all information you currently know (knowledge base which drives your preferences) and what outcome you predict (forethought utilizing knowedge base which includes instincts).

We utilize a complex algorythm to operate at our perceived idealistic optimum.

For instance I shall assume you are here on seddit to learn seduction and improve your game. I assume this based on the fact that you are in an area of reddit in which helps people improve their game and themselves which in turn helps their game.

I shall also assume that you have interacted with this post because you are genuinly confused, or believe what I have said is incorrect and have asked your question in order to validate that belief.

I am responding in order to fine tune my thoughts, validate my concepts, provide help to others (empathetic reasoning). I do all of those things for selfish reasons in that in turn for all of those things I gain a reward of happiness and self-assured existence.

We do all things based on our genetic disposition as well as all influences up until this point in time.

The point of the post however was to provide this...

A concept that reality is simplistic and not as emotional as we all hoped or feel
We can change ourselves by providing an outweighing point of view in order to push the decision making process into our favor
Provide information to add value to your decision making process in the direction of changing into a more seductive human being by means of motivation, information, etc.

I hope that explains what I mean by we have no free will. I guess that is sort of a paradoxial statement, "free will."

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[–]testmypatience-1 points 14 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Free will implies that we are doing things freely and not because we have something determining all of our actions.

A computer is designed to do things based off other things. Does that mean it has free will or that it was designed to operate exactly as it has? For instance does your video game have free will or just a really dynamic AI engine that uses data to feed its actions.

We just use very advanced dynamic formulas to do what we do. Honestly we are pretty much two systems. We use chemical interactions as well as logical interactions that work in conjunction that make us complex. Complex things are only complex when there is too much to process in view all at once. In all honesty we are very simple creatures. We just have a ridiculous amount of simple things that are all linked together.

Think about this... there are 26 letters in the english language. Using those 26 letters we combine them together to make words that each have a designated series of meanings. Then we string these words together to form concepts... very large concepts. We took a simple thing (letters) and turn them into massive concepts. (words, sentences, paragraphs, books, book series, etc.)

I guess the next question is, "Since everything is based off of a complex series of action / reaction then where do we draw a boundary of free will and not free will?"

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Title	The breaking point...
Author	testmypatience
Upvotes	7
Comments	30
Date	October 25, 2011 11:20 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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