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[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas[M,🍰] [score hidden] 5 years ago stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link
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Why do y'all neg?
Some things we could unpack here:
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Seriously, I don’t understand it. It is such a turn off. I lose interest immediately and stop talking/interacting/responding.
Also, there's often a misunderstanding about negging by the people who are engaging in it.
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Also, it bears mentioning that teasing can be perfectly fine and playful.
Problems arise when:
[–]revente 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who's even negging? I haven't seen a serious post advocating it in over a decade. Where did you even get this info? Some cheesy news report on 'manipulative pua'?
[–]TAblue22[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
From experience. It has been tried on me several times already. Did research and didn’t know it was a thing.
[–]revente 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe it was just a straight insult, not an obscure old pua technique.
[–]Shadow__Account 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I think a good neg, estimates the level of confidence someone has and hits them just softly enough not to really sting. It's a calibration thing. Just like playing with your friends, If I know my fat friend is very insecure about being fat, I would never make a joke about it. But if I know it bothers him a bit but he is confident about it and he knows he will fix his weight issue. I can tease him with it and it will be a fun sparring thing, that is well intentioned! We are building each others defenses and making our insecurities weaker by joking about it, its a positive uplifting thing. Maybe you are very low self esteem ( don't mean that in a judging way) and therefore these negs don't make sense to you. I have had many instances where people are trying to be funny but they hit on someone's insecurity and its just so far from funny to me, so I definitely get the feeling. An important factor in all of this, is the intent you think someone has and that in combination with hitting an insecurity seems to be the issue with you. When the vibe is good and playful and you know someone is a good person and doesn't mean anything bad and is just teasing you, a neg can be great and fun. Lets say you have to pick between 2 dresses and you cant choose and you ask me does this yellow one make me look old? and I tell you no you look great in it, take that one. And later on in the evening I tell you you look amazing tonight, just too bad you chose your grandma's dress to wear. You would know I was purely joking about an insecurity you had earlier and you'd also know I was being honest about it looking good on you and just confronting you a bit with an unnecessary insecurity you had in a playful uplifting way.
[–]TAblue22[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I understand a little bit more.
Aren’t negs suppose to work on those who have self low esteem though? That’s what I was confuse about. When it has been tried on me, I move on because I have other options. But then all of a sudden those guys contact me through 2-3 different platforms demanding me to answer them. Based on my experience, it appears that is used by low self esteem guys. Idk that just my experience
[–]Shadow__Account 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think it’s primarily used and to be used on very high self esteem woman, because most people will suck up on them it will convey that you as a guy don’t put them on a pedestal and because they are high confidence it won’t hurt them but it might make them a tiny bit insecure which would make them want to validate themselves to you. I think low self esteem guys are the ones that don’t understand the dynamics and use it at the wrong moments or in a wrong way thereby really offend people. About guys contacting you after I don’t get what you are saying with that or what that has to do with this
[–]TAblue22[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
In your statement, you stated that neg works on women with self esteem (which you said might have applied to me). Now you’re saying that it applies to girls with high self esteem? You just contradict yourself unless it was a typo.
I included the last part because once I’m neg, I shut them down and ghost. I don’t play games like that so I move on. But then they freak out and starting calling and texting across different platforms coming off as insecure and needy.
[–]Shadow__Account 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I said it might offend women with low self esteem and it usually works really well on women with high self esteem. I know nothing about you so don’t take it personal and it might also be people just making really dumb negs.
[–]TAblue22[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I see.
I didn’t really take your comment personally until you suggested that I was “maybe very low self esteem.” That’s when I shared my experience...
I still don’t understand it but I’m going to do more research. I just wouldn’t think it would work on a women with high self esteem because they respect and value themselves.
Thanks for the info
[–]Shadow__Account 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The low high self esteem thing, is that someone that is very insecure will take a neg as a purposeful attack that hurts them right in their insecurity and a very confident person will assume the best and take it as a joke and not get hurt or upset by it because it doesn’t touch a nerve or a real problematic insecurity. Ok good luck
[–]TAblue22[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A neg is a purposeful attack. You even said it was a “calibration thing” and to “hit them softly enough but not to sting them.” Now, you’re saying it’s depends on whether a person is secure or insecure? You keep flip flopping.
Personally if someone is negging, I would move on and not talk to them. It took awhile for me to learn this because I know I can attract someone else...someone who doesn’t have to restort to hurting someone, even if it’s softly.
Anyway, thanks for the info, we both have better things then going back on forth online
Peace out
[–]We_R_MEGA_WoQ 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's no different than playful teasing, and should never be used to actually insult someone. It's the same thing we used to do to eachother as kids when we had a crush. It's perfectly innocent and should be done in a playful, teasing manner. If someone is flat out insulting you then that's not really a neg (not an effective one at least).
It's always worked well for me because I know how to be playful and it demonstrates to a women that I'm not afraid of offending you, which frames me as a masculine man who won't put her on a pedestal. In my (extensive) experience, women go crazy for a non-needy man like that who's secure with or without her approval.
[–]freethinking123 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wow this is the toxic female chick to avoid, "across all platforms".. So full of shit.. And uses "neg," to get attention like a pro dater. Then defines it as the original term in English anyway... Still not sure why the guys try to distance themselves? but fail..She's a twister. Anything you say will be re-engineered all the while she pretends to pose an innocent question. As you get accused and back peddle meanwhile she shamelessly plug how if she dumps those guys they can't handle it and all pursue her on ALL PLATFORMS, lol Ya... Only guy that persues her ON ALL PLATFORMS, is the guy she sufficiently F's with so he thinks he needs to apologise as his heads spinning after she gives him a leading comment, but says too bad, if ya just hadn't said BLANK-____
Talk about reverses..
And it was Tom Lycus who was on the radio everyday 10 + yrs ago talking about the Back Handed Compliments.
[–]nottatrolll -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude why the fuck are you so butt hurt?
Are you one of these desperate guys she’s referring to or something like that?
Why so mad bro? x
[–]freethinking123 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Awe, you're the phag hag friend to the rescue.. Does your butt hurt much? She's got NO desperate guys except in her fantasy world, and when she needs a knight to the rescue, she's got you..
[–]nottatrolll 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah man I don’t have a side in this fight at all. Just curious why you do so much?
Give us the back story son!
Why so mad bro?
[–]pdxtrader 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A neg only works on attractive girls. If you read the book “The Game” by Neil Strauss he goes in depth. Average looking girls you don’t really need to neg.
[–]thegoldengoat19 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Negs are meant for girls who are pretty attractive. They get their ego and esteem inflated daily by men around them. The woman is then expecting most men to be attracted to her and try and woo her. The neg is meant to throw her off and make her think “every other guy likes me, why doesn’t this one?” And she’ll usually assume that this man is of high value because he isn’t bowing down for him trying to get some pussy because he probably has a lot of other prettier girls. Negging is supposed to show her that the man sees her as lower status than himself. Works similar to disqualification. It definitely works if delivered properly at the right time. It needs calibration.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I neg because the mystery method is what made me lose my virginity.
I don’t preach negging the way Mystery and Style did. But if I’m talking to a girl who’s losing interest a creative neg or two makes it seem like I’m disqualifying her and not begging her for attention. Then we can step back and play with a little push pull.
It may be manipulative but I wouldn’t say it’s unethical.
[–]ModeratorCaptain_w00t 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
this screams cognitive dissonance at his worst. manipulation, especially in this context, is unethical.
Negging and push/pull are manipulative and unsecure as fuck. As a proof, it didn't end well for Mystery and Style, except a minimal number of laids.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean if you take it to the extent that the M3 model did where your entire game is based of manipulative social dynamics then I’m on your side.
All I’m saying is a well timed neg or a little push pull sprinkled in can be the difference between taking her home or getting a fake number.
[–]TAblue22[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk. I find negging as another form of manipulation. Idk understand the appeal because why would you want to manipulate someone into liking? You don’t have enough confidence/security within yourself to be liked?
[–]ModeratorCaptain_w00t[M] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Why do y’all neg?
well, not all. only a part of people which thinks it works. usually unexperienced, insecure and needy people.
IMHO, it's the contrary of having confidence: rather than showing (and working on) confidence, neg tries to undermine others' confidence to balance it.
The term was coined and prescribed by pickup artists
partially wrong. the term was coined by an old so-called Pick Up Artist many years ago. His techniques are mostly flawed and are inspired by neediness, insecurity and, therefore, manipulation. it used to work only with a very small demographic made of very good looking (and insecure) girls.
I have look through so many potential negs...and none justify the action IMO.
I really don't know which one you've seen, but I can suppose you've read it in some article on the web.
A more realistic approach is teasing, which IMHO gives more reciprocal fun and isn't offensive or manipulative. The difference with negging is very thin and should be delivered the right way, otherwise it will be offensive anyway.
MOD NOTE: nowadays, there aren't many posts here still talking about "negs" in this sub. the topic comes out sporadically, and opinions may vary. In general, they aren't used anymore, neither considered effective.
Thank you for sharing your insight.
I have both experienced it and done online research since I didn’t understand the appeal of it.
[–]ModeratorCaptain_w00t 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Neg is a technical term invented by someone who mostly ignored the concepts of "sarcasm" and "bad joke". Indeed, Mystery (the author of that term), was an insecure guy. despite someone depicted him as a social animal, he just learned to "act" in a way that got him laid, around a specific time, context and demographic.
Sometimes, a teasing delivered badly might come as a neg (or worse, an insult). Unless someone explicitly mentioned negging, maybe you experienced some goofy attempt to tease you by some insecure guy.
[–]SolarTortality 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah a good neg isn’t intended to undermine someone else’s confidence. It’s meant to be funny and to release the tension by demonstrating that you aren’t here to suck up and kiss ass in a desperate attempt to get laid.
[–]ModeratorCaptain_w00t 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's plain teasing and humor. But that should be calibrated.
Negging is just a wrong and outdated term.
[–]SolarTortality 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok, I agree if you are intentionally trying to break down their self esteem that’s not very nice or conducive to building healthy relationships. I guess I thought negging was just a type of teasing
Yes it is. It’s only that Mystery called it “neg” because he’s found that it worked for him for his specific context (which isn’t what people usually experience, like going to a party where you can find people like Courtney Love, actors and rock stars.
Btw, the goal of neg, as Mystery has conceived it, has the specific goal to lower confidence, dodge what he called “shit tests” and to play the push/pull game. Maybe it made somewhat sense in certain contexts, like the bored HB10 at the above party. It might work with young/inexperienced girls, but if you try to neg an adult and experienced woman (say, 30-35+ years old), she will kick your ass loudly.
[–]Cramer4President 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It works on me. Gets in my head and I just want more.
[–]AmmoTuff182 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There’s a difference between teasing and negging. Unfortunately a lot of people think they’re teasing when they’re just being rude and disrespectful. It’s absolutely a turnoff and shouldn’t be tolerated.
An example of teasing would be flirting with a woman who’s into astrology and you’re not but being like “wait is my Jupiter rising?! Lol I’m acting like a Pisces” Vs negging which would look like “lol you actually believe that shit? It’s okay you’re a woman so I’ll give you a pass ;)”
One is lighthearted and not at all serious and the other is arrogant and disrespectful for no reason
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