MRM, feminism and partisan culture

iainmf · 2015-01-24T01:23:37+00:00

One of the thing the MRM wants is for men to be able to raise issues and seek solutions on their own terms. If you don't identify as an MRA, then stop trying to push your idea of 'acceptable activism' on us. Surely we have the right to express ourselves however we see fit.

2015-01-24T01:29:41+00:00

because a woman is willing to outwardly voice her anger that workplace pay inequality still exists despite that it has been nearly 200 years since women's suffrage began does not make her a bitch

No it makes her a liar because said inequality does not exist and has been illegal for quite some time.

I'm not sure how they can be called contradictory since they are both fighting for their rights, no one is arguing to oppress the other

Feminism has repeatedly caused damage to men. They do everything without even considering what effects it will have on half of the human population, this leaves us with a broken divorce system, an anti-male family court system and a society that thinks we need to "Teach men not to rape". Feminism is inherently anti-male due to it's bigoted ideology, it holds to the idea that "The Patriarchy" was put in place by men to hold women down. Besides the fact that said structure doesn't exist and seems to take on a myriad of definitions it also makes it impossible for men to receive the help the need and deserve because feminism has painted them as oppressors. I've said a thousand times and I will say it again Women Are Not Oppressed.

Wargame4life · 2015-01-24T02:07:22+00:00

Jesus Christ your post gave me cancer.

I am not an MRA or a feminist i just hate people using shitting biased reasoning and faulty stats to make bogus claims.

your hippy happy clappy "cant we all just get along" just shows an absolute child like naiveity.

there is no MRA/feminist single entity. people are people there are idiot MRA and idiot Feminists, treating an entire group based on some individuals is doing exactly what you are complaining about.

dont be so stupid please

Niketi · 2015-01-24T03:13:14+00:00

Feminism is an ideological movement, and it is partisan in nature. The MRM is not ideological. We don't have central tenants, theories or doctrine. We all have different social, political and personal views. The MRM is instead issue based. We focus on tangible inequality in law such as genital mutilation, family law and paternity fraud. Feminism focuses on intangible spectres of patriarchy and rape culture. We are incomparable. Our staunch opposition to feminism is strictly because it's a partisan and misandric ideology with no basis in observable reality.

eletheros · 2015-01-24T03:31:43+00:00

Furthermore, because a woman is willing to outwardly voice her anger that workplace pay inequality still exists despite that it has been nearly 200 years since women's suffrage began does not make her a bitch.

Since gender based workplace pay inequality doesn't exist, yes it does make her a bitch.

alice-in-chains7000 · 2015-01-24T00:02:48+00:00

Furthermore, because a woman is willing to outwardly voice her anger that workplace pay inequality still exists despite that it has been nearly 200 years since women's suffrage began does not make her a bitch.

No, it just makes her wrong. Possibly willfully ignorant and/or a liar.

nicemod · 2015-01-24T02:06:12+00:00

Since you accuse both movements of attacking each other, instead of working together - why haven't you posted this on any feminist subreddits?

guywithaccount · 2015-01-24T00:15:39+00:00

Much of what is posted in these forums is merely hate about the opposite sex

Being against feminism is not the same as hating women.

turmoil between two groups that could work together for a better tomorrow.

Feminism is a hate movement. Their beliefs about patriarchy, privilege, and power, and their dishonest revisionist view of history that casts men as oppressors and women as powerless subjects, are deeply prejudicial. Their highest priorities, as indicated by media campaigns, legislation, grassroots support for anti-male lobbying groups, etc. demonstrate that feminism is an anti-male female supremacy movement, not an equality movement.

The notion that we could work together is absurd; we have no common cause.

Young women and men should not feel like they HAVE to associate with their genders group at risk of being called a traitor or detriment to the cause.

This is not about men vs. women; this is about a socially progressive egalitarian group vs. a man-hating female supremacist group. It is feminism that calls women traitors for not supporting it and accuses all men of perpetuating oppression. The only people we see as actively detrimental to our cause are the ones who join that supremacist group.

because a woman is willing to outwardly voice her anger that workplace pay inequality still exists despite that it has been nearly 200 years since women's suffrage began does not make her a bitch

No, it makes her either a liar or a fool. Studies show that accounting for confounding factors largely eliminates the infamous wage gap. Sexual pay discrimination is illegal and has been since the 60s.

On second thought, "outwardly voicing anger" about a nonexistent problem does make you kind of a bitch... but how is that our fault?

girlwriteswhat · 2015-01-25T02:43:47+00:00

http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/62119905321/modern-feminisms-way-of-dealing-with-mras-is-like

MRSPArchiver · 2015-01-23T23:48:51+00:00

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AloysiusC · 2015-01-27T22:49:43+00:00

You're mistakenly comparing the MRM and feminism as similar or equal and opposite. They're nothing of the sort.

1) Feminists are the strong ones. They are HUGE compared with MRAs. They have government funding, mass media support and widespread coverage. MRM is tiny and helpless by comparison. That fact alone contradicts the idea that it's a man's world. In an actual man's world, it would be the MRM that's the bully with public support.

2) A very notable difference is in the central worldview of both movements. The feminist worldview is contradictory and anti-scientific, even anti-intellectual. It's also divisive in the sexes, deliberately and intentionally incorporating gendered terms like "patriarchy" or (surprise) "feminism" that paints a picture of a war between men and women where men are bad and women are the force for good. It's absurd. Men aren't and never were in direct confrontation with women. If it's a war, then it's just one side attacking the other non-stop.

3) Feminists consistently censor criticism or even other opinions. MRAs generally do not.

4) A great way to compare the two is to look at how they treat members of the opposite sex. Women in the MRM are highly respected and appreciated. I would say often more so than men even which is absolutely remarkable really. It goes to show how slanted humanity is in this regard. But male feminists are frequently treated with the "shut up and listen to women" demand and similar dismissal.

5) Feminism is not only supremely sexist, it thrives in sexism. Without chivalry and male disposability, feminism would be impotent.

6) The MRM is far more empowering to women than feminism ever will be. It treats them as adults by refusing to blame men for every bad choice that women make. Feminism perpetuates the myth that women are inferior with claims of subjugation and oppression and eternal helplessness to do anything.

just off the top of my head.

AloysiusC · 2015-01-27T22:50:39+00:00

Oh and out of curiosity, have you posted the same thing on XX? And what was the reaction there?

wazzup987 · 2015-01-24T01:33:04+00:00

YOur train is complete you may now collect your adult hood card at the door and proceed toward rational discourse.

2015-01-24T01:39:05+00:00

The MRM is minority movement because of social mores dictated by said social patriarchy. Men are privileged. Not needing or requiring assistance from the collective. We swallow that stereotype and try to not be in need of help. Otherwise we are not strong and not fit. Who perpetuates the idea of ideal masculinity? men or women? Who wants to have a powerful mate?

Title	MRM, feminism and partisan culture
Author	letthehatemailbegin
Upvotes	4
Comments	62
Date	January 23, 2015 11:48 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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