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Woman shocked after delivery driver keeps her mobile number and 'tries to seduce her'

rossraskolnikov

December 1, 2015
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Title Woman shocked after delivery driver keeps her mobile number and 'tries to seduce her'
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rossraskolnikov

Upvotes 0
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Date December 1, 2015 2:19 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
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Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3uzzjz/woman_shocked_after_delivery_driver_keeps_her/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (111 children) | Copy Link

1) This has nothing to do with Men's Rights

2) If you're trying to get us to say this was appropriate behavior, then no, it isn't. The driver was wrong to do this. I often tell people on AskMen who ask how to hit on clients or co-workers NEVER to do so. For this reason.

3) The guy did something inappropriate, sure - but "how are you doin" and trying to start up a conversation isn't proof positive that he's stalking her or she's in any danger. She went straight to 'he's out there, and he knows where I live...' whatever lady, the kind of guy who's going to tell you "IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET" wouldn't try hitting you up for a pint.

[–]rossraskolnikov[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

  1. Subjective.

  2. I agree that it was inappropriate/unprofessional. It doesnt say how much they interacted prior to that. But relationships are formed in work environments all the time. It's normal. Doctors are even allowed to date patients theyve treated now. So they guy chanced his arm, whats the problem? He wasnt a threat, he didnt say anything disrespectful.

  3. Exactly. Its sad that there seems to be a significant group of women unduly terrified of men, and likewise men terrified of approaching women. Its not good for anyone.

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think texting a customer at a number she didn't give you (that you got in the course of your job) is different from forming a relationship at work, this was pretty unprofessional. But the dude didn't stalk her or threaten her, the woman is overreacting, she has no reason to fear for her safety.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So they guy chanced his arm, whats the problem?

You must be new here. My take is men should never approach women, ever.

[–]rossraskolnikov[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the UK they've recently relaxed the laws/guidelines around Doctors dating patients. Is it a coincidence that it'coincided with women flooding into the profession? I cant imagine it occuring in the current climate if the profession was still male dominated. Those dastardly Doctors taking advantage of vulnerable patients!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it a coincidence that it'coincided with women flooding into the profession?

Well sure. When the Aga Khan comes in to have a boil removed from his backside...

You can bat your eyes at him, right?

[–]ExpendableOne 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

unprofessional? Sure. "horrifying"? No. Clearly the overly paranoid and hostile reaction to something that would otherwise be fairly innocent(I'm pretty sure he's not the first person on the job to flirt with a woman, even if he is the first mailman to attempt it over text) is very much a result of misandry. The "He knows where I live, omg this is so scary" reaction is absolutely demented(and, by the way, every single person who has ever delivered mail to your door, knows where you live). This over-reaction, or hostility, stems from some very negative attitudes towards men and male heterosexuality, and is the type of attitude you'd see used to justify "female only" mailing services in the future(because if a girl did it, it would totally be cute and funny). The fact that this was even considered to be "news worthy" in the first place, just goes to speak about certain biases and prevailing attitudes in the media.

[–]zap283 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't really agree with that. I'm a man and I would still feel skeeved if someone I don't know used information from their workplace to start hitting on me, particularly if they knew where I lived. It bursts that safety bubble that people need to feel exists in their home- much like being robbed, it's not the missing property that's so terrible, it's the feeling that your private space has been violated.

Now this is just a text message, but the delivery driver has presumably been to the house, and remembering that fact in this situation would creep me out.

[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

They are delivering shit to your house, they already know where you live. So does the door-to-door salesman. So does every food delivery person. So does your neighbours. So does the employees of every business you have ever done business with(the ones you had to give that information to). So does the government. So does everyone who has access to your facebook(assuming you put your address there). Anyone who has seen you in a neighbourhood enough times to remember your face, can probably figure out that you live in that neighbourhood.

Whether or not they ask you out is not what defines them as robbers, killers or rapists(technically, if they were going to do any of those things, there would literally be no reason for them to ever even communicate with you in any way. They would just break in). You are trying to create this safety bubble around a delusion, and then feel upset(or "violated") when this imaginary bubble is burst by some imaginary slight.

[–]zap283 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, sure it's imaginary. So are plenty of things humans come up with for comfort. People have an inherent need to believe their home is safe, and it's legitimately unpleasant of someone to interfere with that belief.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You and I agree here.

But it still remains that if I give you my personal information to do your job, and you go use it for ANY other purpose, you've crossed a line.

[–]ExpendableOne -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

People aren't robots. They can't just disable feelings/attraction or erase data out of their minds. A delivery woman who delivers mail to a hot guy's house, might be inclined to want to repeat that same route. A delivery guy that delivers to a hot girl's house, will probably find himself enjoying his day a lot more than if it had been to an ugly guy's house. If anyone working any job was to try to flirt at any time, that would be using professional circumstances for personal purposes. It's unprofessional but it's human.

Not to mention that, for all we know, this guy texting her could have been something that was also entirely/partially instigated by her as well. How do we know she wasn't flirting with him to begin with(when he made the actual delivery), leading him to believe that she would be receptive to him following up with her? It's not that black and white.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

People aren't robots. They can't just disable feelings or erase data out of their minds.

No, but they can grow up and not act on them.

If anyone working any job was to try to flirt at any time, that would be using professional circumstances for personal purposes. It's unprofessional but it's human.

And unprofessional means fired. So you learn some self-control, or you find yourself unemployable.

[–]ExpendableOne -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If everyone who has ever been human was fired from their jobs, nothing would ever get done.

[–]bufedad 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (92 children) | Copy Link

This has nothing to do with Men's Rights

I disagree. Because this:

She went straight to 'he's out there, and he knows where I live...'

Yeah, what he did was inappropriate, but it wasn't trying to seduce her, and it wasn't stalking her. She views these actions as dangerous (how r u doing?) because he's a man.

[–]ee4m[🍰] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I don't think its unreasonable to assume that because he did that, that he is also prone to other violations on the same spectrum of behavior.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

Edit: Wrong thread

[–]ee4m[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Ah ok.

I was talking about the correlation between just taking the number and using it instead of asking for it, and other boundary violations.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, that post was on a different topic... It's not reasonable to assume that because he did something like got her number and messaged her "How r u doing?" that he's dangerous and trying to "seduce" her.

He's striking up a conversation... granted with a number he shouldn't have had...

But let's be honest, if she was interested, this would be a "how we met" story that they would have laughed over.

When me and my wife first got married, we would watch romantic movies, and she would ask, would you do that for me?

And my response is... "No, because if you don't like it, I'll go to jail".

An action is either romantic, or creepy, depending on how the recipient feels about it.

Showing up after a breakup with a boombox blasting a love song held over my head?

Unstable ex in jail for harassment and stalking... or a really romantic get back together moment.

So, I absolutely 100% would not have done this. That doesn't mean her reaction is reasonable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link

That's how a guy was viewed - not men's rights.

[–]BlueCollarAristocrat -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago* (57 children) | Copy Link

If Brad Pitt called her, she'd be fine with it and wouldn't care how he got the number.

This is about how forward boys and men are perceived as rapists and creeps if a woman is not interested in them, but they are perceived as awesome, take-charge, assertive, and confident good men when she is interested in them.

It's about how men are supposed to read their minds.

Men and women need each other and we need to develop relationships. How else is this supposed to happen other than someone making the first move?

It's an MR issue in my opinion.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

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[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True. I've had women I'm not interested in do weird or nice things for me that I am immediately repulsed by, simply because I am not interested in her. If it was a cute girl I had my eye on, entirely different reaction.

If the cute delivery driver girl texted me after a drop-off, I would be game. If it was some really weird or off-putting woman...yeah, I'm calling her boss.

[–]Ceruleanbluedolphin 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some men are chubby chasers.

[–]BlueCollarAristocrat -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

You're wrong.

I believe in a polite society.

I have been hit on by women I've found absolutely disgusting, and I've always been polite in return when turning them down... and I certainly did not later claim they were creepy for being human.

[–]halfadash6 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This isn't about "forward" behavior; it's about inappropriate behavior.

There's a large difference between being hit on in a bar, for example, and being hit on by the guy who delivered a package and used your phone number for personal reasons when you gave it to him for a professional one. She didn't even really give it to him, she gave it to a delivery service. He crossed a line; saying "he's not a mind reader" is bullshit in this scenario.

I agree this isn't worthy of a news story. But she's not wrong in principle -- what this guy did was out of line.

[–]BlueCollarAristocrat -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Tell that to my female customers who hit on me.

Your morality is your own, and you're welcome to it.

There's nothing wrong with asking a woman for a date.

[–]ee4m[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt brad pitt would act all creepy like that in the first place.

Men and women need each other and we need to develop relationships. How else is this supposed to happen other than someone making the first move?

The issue she brought up isn't just someone making the first move in a normal way.

[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That's how guys are viewed, and that's a core of the men's rights problem.

Want all men to take consent classes so they don't rape? Sure, because any man is a dangerous criminal just waiting to rape you.

We cannot address men's rights without addressing notions like this.

OR let me put it this way.

As long as women are scared of men during harmless interactions, we will not see men's rights restored to equality with women. Men's Rights will always be stripped away in the name of protecting the safety of women.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Solution: ignore women.

They will ask us what's wrong - We just ignore them.

I mean seriously: apart from "here's your package" (immedately walks away) or "That'll be $10.49 please" (ignores her right after).

Believe me, the "what's wrooooooong" will immediately follow.

"Sorry, I'm not interested in making you uncomfortable. I'll be over there."

The first 10 guys, she'll be like "scoff! Total weirdo! Unh! Loser who can't get laid!"

When it's 10,000 guys and she can't find ONE to change her tire or hold her hand while she watches the Notebook, there will be societal changes. And FAST.

[–]bufedad 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So, how many guys have you gotten on this bandwagon? I'm certain not enough to have any woman go through 10,000 guys who ignore her.

So, since that solution isn't working... I'll be looking at another solution.

[–]Captaincastle -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that like, the point? If this was the first time this reaction had happened, or even the tenth, then yeah. Girls behaving badly shit shouldn't be here, neither should this.

But this is the reaction the majority of the time. Unprofessional doesn't mean creepy stalker, unless it's a guy doing it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel like a broken record here:

this is why you ignore women.

[–]Captaincastle 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I do, but not everyone does.

[–]ee4m[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Driver was wrong.

Whats the point of this post?

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's one year younger than me, she's one year younger than me.

rocks back and forth in fetal position while hiding in a corner

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Now where is Ford so she can try to urge this company to fire him.

Yeah the guy was wrong for what he did but this is just sensationalism.

Remember that article a week or so ago where someone was whining that stories about violent women are sensationaized? Well thats whats happening here.

[–]zap283 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I dunno. If you're hitting on the customers, you probably deserve some kind of disciplinary action.

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thats my point. If someone reported this to his supervisor and he was fired id actually support it.

But no such action is wasted on feminists with fragile egos.

[–]zap283 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah, My mistake. I read 'now report him' as a dig at internet mob tactics. Carry on!

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My apologies for not being more clear.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what's with writing stupid shit like:

Ms. Faulkner described the messages as "completely illegal."

Who gives a shit what she describes it as. Especially using terms like 'illegal'. wtf?

Second telegraph story I looked at here today - are the writers associated with weekly world news?

[–]Wargame4life 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She has every right to protect her privacy and what he did broke the data protection act. her grievance has merit for sure

However she looks like a hysterical moron by going to the papers about it. im glad she did though as if i was in crawley I would take note to avoid her.

Personally i would have no problem if marginally attractive female delivery drivers texting me obscene sexual text messages, because they dont scare me and i see it as a compliment. if a guy did it though or a really ugly woman i would simply respond for them to stop if they didn't i would complain to the firm if they continued i would contact the police.

[–]MrDoradus -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

While I get that this might not seem as a MRM issue at first glance and that the guy did step out of bounds big time, especially because it was work-related therefore should have been handled professionally. And I do know that disagreeing with this article might seem like taking his side, but it's definitely not.

If we take a step back and analyse this, we can assume that this guy possibly read a few body sings wrong, maybe he thought she liked him and he was dumb enough to think he'll come off as Don Juan when texting her. But he was dead wrong.

This case did deserve to be handled by the company, because the guy was clearly in the wrong and it was, he got put on different routes, a supervisor deleted her number and warned the driver not to do anything similar in the future or he'd face further disciplinary actions, even termination from the job position. But that apparently isn't enough for the media nor the woman, I guess he should have gotten fired immediately and publicly shamed as a creeper, that's blowing it out of proportion here.

And as /u/bufedad already pointed out, her saying "she doesn't feel safe any more" portrays this dumb pick-up attempt as him being some creepy neighbourhood stalker who's creeping around her house peeping in on her showering and should be put in prison. That is what's wrong with this article, the real issue here is how the media and the woman in question want to blow it out of proportion. I guess he should get fired and publicly shamed for being a creep for her to feel better, maybe even put in jail.

I just hope he doesn't get lynch-mobbed by some crazy witch-hunt feminists for his lame and wrong attempt of flirting.

Edit: to clarify, what's wrong is how this article tried to portray this attempt at flirting as something extremely more malicious, even though he did step way out of line, portraying men as some dangerous predators out to get women at their every step. This is what's wrong with how the media handles these cases.

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree what this guy did was completely unprofessional. However, he never threatened her or stalked her, he just flirted with her via text. It seemed like he stopped texting her after she didn't respond. And it seemed like his company dealt with this in a reasonable manner: they reassigned him to a different route, so this woman won't have to see the driver again.

Does this woman have to fear for her safety though? Hardly. It is overwrought feminists that have women in fear of every interaction with men.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

However, he never threatened her or stalked her, he just flirted with her via text

Honestly, he didn't even do that... he just texted "How r u doing?".

That's not even flirting, that's striking up a conversation.

[–]ABC_Florida -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

I don't get it.

The delivery driver tried to ask her for a date, probably. Since she has shown only 5 minutes of texting. I assume, that's all that happened, since it got into the news, so it has to be the full story she's sharing with us.

Her problem is that the man knows where she lives, and the company did not fire him. So she fears of being stalked by him, but she thinks making lose his job and thus making him angry reduces the chance of being stalked?

And what's wrong with this woman? She's 24. She never had to turn down a man, she did not like? Doesn't she has a mother who taught her how to handle boys you aren't attracted to? The man did nothing wrong. He took the risk to connect her. He didn't send no dick picks, said any profanity, or threatened her in any way.

All she should have done is sending him the following message:

"Oh, now I remember you. I don't want to hurt you but I don't find you attractive. So there is no chance anything could happen between us. Please don't contact me again, ever. Wish you all the best, though!"

OP, seriously! What's wrong with this woman? Can't she appreciate that somebody found her pretty, took the bravery to contact her and wanted to spend his time with her? Now she's standing in front of the people of internet complaining like she was hurt. Childish!

[–]zap283 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I really don't agree. This isn't a social relationship. This isn't two people at a coffeeshop or a bar. This is someone who's been in her home and is using information she provided not to him, but to a delivery service for business purposes. Using that information for personal reasons and hitting on someone whose home you were in for work are both highly inappropriate, and it's reasonable to feel uncomfortable in that situation.

If she had given this guy her number in a social setting, or if it were her freaking out over being approached in a public, social setting, I'd completely agree with you. But he breached the etiquette of a business relationship and that has consequences.

[–]ABC_Florida 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

If I look at his texts, I can conclude that he has not too much success with women. I think he didn't have the balls to ask her out in person.

This man seems to me to be a person lacking confidence, meeting a woman he finds attractive. Nothing more. Maybe he's working long hours and has no time to go to a coffee shop to approach women. I don't get it why she has to humiliate him. He seems absolutely harmless.

[–]zap283 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I feel for the guy, having that difficulty, but that doesn't really excuse the massive inappropriateness of his advance.

[–]ABC_Florida 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it was unprofessional behavior for sure. He made a mistake in that. The biggest mistake he made was trying to ask out a woman child.

[–]zap283 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree. It's not just unprofessional, it's something any person would have a right to be angry about.

[–]friskydingo2020 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. I can understand the instinct of having something awkward happen to you and wanting to vent, in general terms, on social media about it. But this culture that has developed as an off-shoot, an angry butch-mom-asking-for-manager on steroids, where people are named and shamed is absolutely unacceptable. What an absurd point we've reached.

[–]ABC_Florida 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She reminds me of this woman.

[–]friskydingo2020 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A pack a day will pass on emphysema resistance to the child I'm sure!

[–]rossraskolnikov[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She probably still lives with her Mum. Women and men cant afford to move out until much later these days. That probably compounds the "human contact, omg!" infantilisation aspect.

[–]ABC_Florida -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If she stays this childish, she won't live with her daughter.

[–]ExpendableOne -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I don't understand the logic there either "omg! he knows where I live and is so scary because he tried to talk to me! Better do everything I personally can to make sure he gets fired and publicly slandered/berated! That couldn't possibly turn a reasonable/harmless person into an incredibly pissed off victim, with little left to lose and revenge on his mind! Better make sure they get a really good close up of my face too, because that was totally necessary!". Like, your words say "I'm a bigot who is scared of men" but your actions say "I'm not scared, I just want attention and people to share in my hatred of men trying to talk to me!"

[–]ABC_Florida -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think he means any kind of danger. Even the fact that he contacted her later in text shows, that he was presumably reluctant to make personal contact in real life and feared that he will have no more opportunity in life to see her.

[–]aokusman -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that this made it to a publication is ridiculous. He was wrong yes, but he was not stalking her.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is inappropriate.obviously a feminist trying to prove a point.what was the point? idk honestly but this was wrong. but i would like more context,did he flirt with him at all? not excusing him but its highly unlikely she just said thanks shut the door and he thought yea she would really like a text from me.could have went down like that but most guys go after signals are given.

[–]njjj3o2 -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With a face like that I'm shocked as well.

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