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Boys being unconsciously discriminated against in school grades.

Airplaneguy31

October 18, 2022
320 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://ground.news/article/girls-routinely-get-better-grades-than-boys-in-class-and-researchers-think-they-know-why
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Title Boys being unconsciously discriminated against in school grades.
Author

Airplaneguy31

Upvotes 320
Comments 41
Date October 18, 2022 6:22 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/y7enzf/boys_being_unconsciously_discriminated_against_in/
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[–]AshookaNaga 79 points80 points81 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not just unconsciously. It’s quite consciously as well at the college level.

[–]63daddy 52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, in the U.S., feminists pushed for and won legislation focusing on girls over boys in K-12 education. Lobbying for and winning laws that actively focus on one sex over the other isn’t “unconscious”

The Biden administration is requiring title ix mandates that are even more unfair to college males accused of sexual harassment. Again this is purposeful, not unconscious.

Some schools, aided by feminist funding offer no boys allowed college prep programs. Such programs are not unconscious, they are purposeful.

I have no doubt there is an unconscious (or subconscious) bias, but the bigger and more important issue is the purposeful and incredibly strong purposeful biases against males in education.

It wasn’t until the late 70s boys started falling behind in education. This wasn’t because some unconscious bias suddenly popped into existence at that time. It’s mostly due to intentional favoritism towards females. No notable change will be possible until people recognize and address this purposeful bias.

[–]Kazzier 62 points63 points64 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If my school experience was anything to go by, the bias was quite clear.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 44 points45 points46 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, they weren't exactly trying to hide it.

Especially when they had excuses like "Girls grow up in the patriarchy so they need all the advantages they can get"

[–]AnFGhoster 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would assume intent was clear too.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe Christina Hoff Summers has some research/videos on this.

[–]rowdy981 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing new, was happening in the 90s too

[–]rabel111 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The bias against boys in education is extensive and systemic, but is not unconscious. It is the result of deliberate policy initiatives intended to achive the advancement of girls and the punishing of boys. The curriculli of education courses are littered with misandry. Any voices attempting to call this out, or identifying the negative impact of these policies on boys, is shouted down by shrill academics and feminist activists.

[–]tiger_woods_is_goat 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unconsciously my ass. These teachers know exactly what they're doing.

[–]Grizzleswitch 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is nothing unconscious about it.

[–]Airplaneguy31[S] 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it is quite possible that there can be both. College most likely being conscious bias today.

[–]Etspead 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember when I was in first grade. That was 1996. We had an assignment where we had to pick between two cardboard cutouts to color. The other kids didn't seem to be bothered by it, but it was confusing to me and pissed me off a little, but I went with it without saying anything because everyone else did that. The card board cut outs we had to select from was a female or male. The girl's was named healthy food heather, and the boy's name was junk food jack. All these years later, I remember it. Not only did we have to color them, but cut the appropriate food out of magazines and glue it on to the cutout. From that moment on, for the rest of my schooling, I just sort of believed and accepted that males were just shittier than girls. We were less responsible, less behaved, worse grades, dumber, ate worse food, made poorer decisions, etc. All branching out from that assignment. And it pissed me off because I didn't understand why it had to be that way.

[–]randomguy7277 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean Healthy Howard and Junk Food Janet? I fixed it for you 🤜🤛

[–]israfildivad 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just look how old "Boys are frogs, snails and puppy dog tails, girls are sugar and spice and everything nice" nursery rhyme is. I remember girls K thru 6 having many different versions of that for their hand clapping games, practicing their rejection putdowns I guess

[–]harderhuncope 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's very strange being brought up literally as a completely worthless second class citizen.

What's worse is they gaslight you into thinking it isn't true

[–]GMD3S1GNS 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just reported my university lecturer that was treating me unfairly compared to the rest of the class Just waiting to see if anything comes of it

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't hold your breath

[–]somethingneet 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's very conscious. we're held to a much higher standards than the girls

[–]haikusbot 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's very conscious.

We're held to a much higher

Standards than the girls

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[–]Emergency-Honey-4466 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

actually good haiku

[–]Sefuus 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good bot

[–]mrbill1234 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is why single gender schools are a good thing.

[–]KazukiYahashi 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Before university, I was in an all boys school. Then again, I’m not in the Western world.

[–]OriginalHuckleberry3 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been in education for 14 years. I have only ever seen one male valedictorian. Even the top ten are mostly females.

But SAT and PSAT scores did not reflect that.

[–]MartianWaffleSoup 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was bullied by all my teachers from grades 4 through the 9. It was absolutely not unconsciously done

[–]Clockw0rk 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

IMO, all testing in public school should be logically definitive information. True or false, named locations, mathematical problems, you get it, right? Answers which are not up for argument or interpretation. Make the curriculum on a computer, and have the test answers pre-determined. No human bias.

Save the subjective arguments and lived experiences for college.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i'd rather we got them out of college, tbh.

I'm fine with them being objects of study, but your "lived experience" doesn't mean jack shit compared to data and science, and i expect the latter when asserting something as true

[–]sharksville 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not surprised. In high school, if there’s a group project, I sometimes get lower grades than the girls who were also part of my group. I would always go back and argue that we both have the same work basically, why does she get more marks than me, either low hers or increase mine. Even when going off to university studies. I’d do the same thing. I mostly hung out and made friends with females so that I could compare assessments with theirs and look at the grade differences in group activities. And still nothing changed. I’d still do in university what I did in high school with my grades

[–]throwaway_____2344 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe this is also majority of the reason why lots of boys/men drop out of education because its very obvious that school rather focused on one gender than being neutral. I've experienced it myself how unbiased the teachers are.

Imagine if a robot A.I replace a teacher who's neutral in teaching

[–]Jacklshere 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And thats why I have always liked math. It has little room for subjectivity.

[–]aigars2 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine the outrage if geneders reversed. Plus it seems it's just being ignored.

[–]BasedDev 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The entire system holds girls behaviour as the gold standard and treats boys like they're defective girls.

They then punish and drug the boys into compliance.

Schools are rotten to the core.

[–]want-to-say-this 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is very on purpose. Best friend in college was a girl and we copied/shared all papers. Lab partners with IDENTICAL PAPERS. She got a 93 I got an 88. HOW. Teacher didn't do office hours and openly dogged men in class. I just gave up and took my B in the class.

[–]3172695 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unconsciously lmao. I had an english teacher in high school who blatantly said girls deserve so much more than boys and that she'll be grading them better because of this. Not just the grades but she would also allow girls to break as many rules as they want while punishing boys for even the slightest of mistakes. While some people have deep-rooted misandry others also straight up admit to it because they know there aren't any consequences.

[+]zCheshire -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This study compares the mark of a single test to the mark given for half a year of work and behaviour. That demonstrates that boys perform better on tests, which I see something we already knew.

This is trash science which if you know anything about the research that goes on in education isn’t surprising.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't know about this specific research but there are many such research with similar conclusions.

Teachers mark girls higher for IDENTICAL work to boys (OECD study). Furthermore, a boy will receive 1/3 higher grade in reading tests if the teacher does not know he is a boy (OECD) From day 1 of early years education they also grade boys lower despite them objectively getting higher test scores

[+]zCheshire -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you have a link to that study? Because the article cited in the post doesn’t contain a source for that claim that girls receive higher marks for identical work. It doesn’t mention that claim at all.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.oecd.org/newsroom/early-gender-gaps-drive-career-choices-and-employment-opportunities.htm

http://empathygap.uk/?p=437

[–]gratis_eekhoorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's not unconscious, it's intended and systematic

[–]Woozuki 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I, for one, refuse to send my son to be indoctrinated by these harpies.

[–]Interesting_Ad_2922 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never was an ideal student but I was really passionate about some topics and I soon realized no one cared when they started doing female only stem field trips and getting called a psychopath in a debate class

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