Considering taking the red pill, but...

[deleted] · 2013-07-25T04:31:00+00:00

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neXianXavia · 2013-07-25T05:22:24+00:00

I'm sorry dude, but everything here that goes against your core values is the truth. You have to second guess women, because if you don't, you will probably fuck yourself over. Women are so heavily generalisable because most of them do the exact same fucking thing. And if they aren't, they're doing something slightly different to the same end. You can't be naive with this shit.

We are animals, Seattle. Animals have habits, and operate to the same end. Animals establish a way to live, and then mate. The successful ones breed, the unsuccessful take a dive from the gene pool. All animals have mating habits that are used to ensure genetic success, and humans are no different.

You should always make rules, and then find outliers to these rules if you want to test it. Most of the posts here are just proofs that the philosophies we have here work. Nobody would be here if this shit didn't work.

I'm sorry (for you) we've soiled your tongue with the bitter truth. If you're just going to ignore it, put on your metaphorical blindfold and walk away, I won't blame you.

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zionController · 2013-07-25T05:12:25+00:00

dude. Stop NAWALTing, you're holding yourself back.

I'm the most red pill guy I know in real life and this isn't even my final form.

Accept the rules of the game and start playing.

TRPsubmitter · 2013-07-25T04:22:12+00:00

So basically, you're saying that you recognize the truth of TRP, yet you simply feel uncomfortable with self-identifying as such?

For me, truth is paramount. Comfort is nothing. Taking TRP at first is very uncomfortable because it's a change in your world view, but truth wins out in the end. You are basically saying that you can offer no other argument against TRP other than it offends your so-called sense of egalitarian justice in which all people must be taken at face value. Is this seriously a good enough reason to not follow what you realize is the truth? Is this seriously a good enough reason to keep subjecting yourself to torment when it comes to dealing with women? You can answer that yourself...

And the very point of TRP is to no longer have to "second guess women and their motives" anymore. That's where your cognitive dissonance is coming from. TRP is about illuminating how to deal with women and a society that entitles women....the second guessing will be completely removed!

It goes against my core beliefs to generalize and stereotype people. I've worked really hard to accept people at face value.

This subreddit isn't about "respecting" what comes out of a woman's (or white knight's) mouth. It's not about trying to satisfy what women think they want; it's about being what women respond to. There's a huge difference. Women say they want a, b, & c...yet they respond to x, y, & z. For instance, girls say they like nice guys, yet you notice that they fuck alphas over and over again and leave nice guys out to dry. So why would you even consider being beta anymore? Simply because larger society has shamed you into that role? Recognizing this fact isn't generalizing; it's being perceptive and observant about REALITY.

TL;DR What girls think they like and what they respond to are totally different. TRP recognizes and acts upon this reality, which is not sexist or disrespectful to women. Women choose to fuck alphas and go home with them...so if you're going the "disrespectful" route, you are basically saying women are too helpless to choose for themselves...

dropit_sphere · 2013-07-25T07:14:17+00:00

Don't assign hyperagency to women. Just because a lion would eat you on the savannah doesn't mean lions are evil---it means you should be careful out there. Lions are great---in zoos or or from the safety of a truck.

Women actually mean it when they seemingly ignore a man's point of view. They're not ignoring it, it literally doesn't cross their minds. This is something to be aware of and take into account, not judge them as horrible people because of.

Women are generally quite nice, like most people. They are, however, not men.

HumanSockPuppet · 2013-07-25T08:45:02+00:00

Considering taking the red pill, but...It goes against my core beliefs to generalize and stereotype people.

The purpose of the Red Pill is not to be persuasive, but to be informative.

No one comes to the Red Pill, reads it, and is suddenly persuaded. I'd wager that most of the guys here suffered bitter failures, defeats, and disappointments at the hands of women and society - at which point they basically persuaded themselves.

Experience is the difference between reading the Red Pill and taking it.

I'm trying to find balance...but some of the things that I've read in this sub have rang pretty clear for me.

This is because you're still clinging to your old model, your old perception of yourself.

Believe me, I get it. Identity is the hardest thing to change about yourself, because so much of your life is bound up with it. Your role in your family, social circles, and professional relationships, your motivations and goals, and ultimately your sense of purpose.

When something comes along that rips us from our "place in the world", our first instinct is to resist it. Because changing identity means changing EVERYTHING. It's a tall order.

But here's the rub: you cannot compromise with the real world. You can't accept the parts of reality that are easier to swallow and ignore the parts that are hard.

You will suffer precisely to the degree to which you ignore ANY measure of observable fact.

Alternatively, every truth you acknowledge is one more truth you can use to shape the world to your liking.

The role of thje Red Pill in your personal life is analogous to the role of science in the lives of all humans: recognizing patterns and predicting change, so that we may produce order from chaos.

southseattle77 · 2013-07-25T07:30:07+00:00

It goes against my core beliefs to generalize and stereotype people.

First of all, people do this anyway no matter how hard they try not to. So you're kinda fucked either way on that.

Second, it's not about generalizing and stereotyping. It's about seeing men and women for who they honestly are and connecting with each other in a way that results in sustainable harmony. It's also going to be scary for you the man because you have to step up, take the lead, and be a man.

[deleted] · 2013-07-25T08:52:33+00:00

You see, generalizations are usually bullshit because stuff like race or ethnicity are not strong determinants. No, not all Germans obsess about order in reality they they threw chaos in the world pretty often (Luther, Kant, Marx etc.). And so on.

But reproductive strategies are a cold hard reality because they ultimately come from genitals. Different genitals are a fact. Childbirth being goddamn hard is a fact. Not going through that ordeal for every chump but only when you get good genes from a top class man is pretty logical as an evolved strategy. The rest just follows from this.

This isn't really ideology. Just the basic simple idea that intelligence and civilization merely changes but does not abolish animal nature. Just observe your dog and figure that there is something in men and something in women that is like that.

It's not even learning, just unlearning. I remember when we were like 10 years old we were pretty red pill.

DaddyMonster · 2013-07-25T11:32:33+00:00

Look... Generalization is a missunderstood concept. We need it because that's how we learn about the world. One does well to remember though, that only a bigot thinks no exceptions are possible, but that only idiots thinks everyone is an exception.

This has been discussed many many times, and is one of the chief objections from new takers of the red pill. The other objections are usually that the red pill is so cynical towards women, and that it's so nihilist (usually not phrased like that though).

Is it fair to say that swans are white? Yes it is. But there are black swans; is it still fair to say swans are white? Yes, because the vast majority are, and the ones we're exposed to daily are almost certainly white

Also:

NAWALT and you

More on NAWALT

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GaiusScaevolus · 2013-07-25T15:31:14+00:00

Generalizations exist. A bigot thinks there are no exceptions, a fool thinks everyone's an exception. The goal here is to be neither.

legendofpasta · 2013-07-25T16:10:32+00:00

You sounds like a complete fagget. Good luck

thereisnosuchthing · 2013-07-25T09:35:15+00:00

Women are human beings. Human beings fit into stereotypical groups. Men trying to kill/dominate one another/take over entire countries/exercising their instincts monstrously and manipulate their world to their benefit in some really insane ways, with basic instincts which are mutually beneficial to themselves via finding a mate, keeping her, and eventually doing the same for accepted children - they exercise these instincts and traits on a scale unfathomable to women.

Women do the same thing, only they do it socially with the preservation/protection of self in mind, which is an imperative linked to creating the best position for her young. Women try to do the same things - only instead of traditionally doing it to the world and to countries with their physical strength and with armies, they do it to men and to other people socially.

In western civilization we live in the ruins of christianized culture - that is, a culture based on imposed innocence and fear-based naivety and political correctness to the point where we have a system of what is "polite" and what is not, and people fear going beyond those lines. We aren't supposed to talk about reality, because it's not polite. A culture based on "it's better to pretend everything is rosy for jesus and god" rather than a cynical culture based on taking into account the hard truths about people - one where we all pretend we're not actually who or where we are, and that what is actually happening on Earth isn't actually happening, so long as it isn't in front of us or directly involved in our daily lives.

You can live in that and be completely fucked over because you naively see women as NOT PEOPLE(as in, you will not think critically of them or of common traits among a specific subgroup of human beings). If you see a bunch of gang-banging teenagers selling drugs in the ghetto, you can assume certain things about them that will almost universally turn out to be true - or, you can pretend they aren't what they actually are, that their consistent behavior isn't what it actually is, and constantly give them the benefit of the doubt because "otherwise you'd be a bad person and basically just hate all black people!"(note: race doesn't matter in this example).

Women are a distinct group of human beings. Refusing to recognize or respect this in your own mind is itself sexist and should leave a bad taste in your mouth. Distinct groups of human beings have distinct and general behavioral patterns which apply to most people in that group(this is how we write psychological textbooks and how we define diagnostic criteria).

Lupo3825 · 2013-07-25T12:04:50+00:00

Generalizations are not a bad thing, as weird as that sounds. Generalizations are something we as humans have developed to organize the world around us. It helps us to bring order to a confusing world.

"Most short people are children." I'm not going to assume the little human in the distance is a midget, because it's less likely to be than a child.

"Most dogs won't bite you." Doesn't mean I'm going to get in the face of any dog I just met. I'll present myself in a way that will cause the least amount of damage to me if the dog turns ugly

"Most woman want a don't want a whiney man-child." I'm sure there's some lady out there who wouldn't mind such a person, but chances are she's either disturbed, or desperate.

Generalizations are ok, given that they don't a.)hold you to a pessimistic attitude about life, women, the world, whatever... b.) You're not afraid to live and interact through your generalizations...

I won't call out to the little human in the distance if I want interaction. I'll wait till we're face to face to interact. I won't not present myself to a dog. I love puppies too much. I won't deny myself an opportunity to interact with a woman, but I'll do it reservedly, and with care. If a woman doesn't measure up, I'll cut off interaction. Good luck to you and your choices, and remember, don't be the guy who wants women, be the guy women want.

toysjoe · 2013-07-25T15:21:27+00:00

I don't generalize people. I believe in NAWALT, but that rare woman who "isn't like that" will take you a lifetime to find, if you find her at all. Since 99.9999% of your interactions with women won't be with that saintly lady who is different than the rest, that is why the Red Pill is relevant.

Not taking the red pill because you think there are women out there who are different is like pouring your entire life savings into buying lottery tickets because there's that one ticket that will win you big.

It's stupid.

[deleted] · 2013-07-25T17:13:17+00:00

effective policy is built according to overall trends, and not according to exceptions. useful science and engineering relies on generalizing, and there's nothing wrong with applying that methodology to human relations. sure, bleeding hearts will call you an asshole for not working to appreciate every single person as special snowflakes, but what do you care? learning and accepting the general harsh truths of human motivation and behavior will protect you from disasters in the future.

hobodick · 2013-07-25T18:35:09+00:00

Yeah I try not to prejudge or generalize people either. I let them show me who they are.

And yet, every woman I meet fulfills trp ideology word for word.

For me, taking the redpill was like observing the sky wondering why the planets that revolve around the earth make these little loops, then all of a sudden I realize the planets revolve around the sun and all of a sudden everything is predictable. Every behavior now makes sense, and falls in line with RP philosophy. There might be an exception out there, but at my age I'm not going to waste my time searching the world for an exception.

noblepaladin · 2013-07-25T20:46:17+00:00

You're telling me that you currently don't treat pretty girls better than ugly girls? Because if you do that, you discriminate and you are prejudiced. Tons of scientific studies show that people are nicer to attractive people. Do you think that you don't suffer from that cognitive bias like everybody else?

The Red Pill is actually about equality. Think about the thousands of people you have met over your life and how few of them are in your close circle of friends. You will realize that most people are not worth associating with. Very few people meet your moral and ethical standards. Very few people provide you with significant value. Some guy might be a very good person, but you still won't remember his name because he doesn't provide you any value. You regularly discard people from your life every single day. The Red Pill is about applying the same standard to everybody, including pretty women.

People have been mean to me before, they punched me in the face and tried to steal my wallet. Nobody is advocating doing that to pretty women. But what we do advocate is that you be cautious. That is why there are a lot of stories about women cheating, being evil, etc. You don't lend strangers money or invite them into your house. Having a pretty face should not matter. You may think that Red Pill is about being an asshole to women, but think about it some more. Is it really? Or are you adjusting for society's bias towards pretty people? Because the "asshole" behavior towards pretty girls is likely far better than what black people or ugly people get on a daily basis.

You regularly discard people from your life every day. That is why your close group of friends is small while you have met thousands of people. There is nothing "asshole" about tossing a woman out of your life without giving her gifts or pleasantries. That is the same treatment everybody else gets.

swishman · 2013-07-29T09:05:35+00:00

im new to this subreddit, and if taking the red pill just means recognising that all women are just sex objects whores out to snag the guy with the most value they can find, then i took it a long time ago.

my problem is that i just dont feel the motivation to go through this whole rat race bullshit and learn game. it makes me feel so shit to have social anxiety. it makes me feel so shit to get rejected. i dont want to feel that way just for these bitches.

my conclusion i guess is to just make my money, fuck whores when i can. how could it be worth going through?

Title	Considering taking the red pill, but...
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