AF/BB in shitty pop music

brandor77 · 2015-05-13T22:22:34+00:00

It's unfortunate. As much as I hate this shit, I have a daughter, so I am becoming familiar with these songs. She will be exposed to it regardless of what I do, so I do my best to inject contrary thought when I find a problem with the message.

With the Future Husband song, I expressed disapproval at the entitlement. "She sure is asking a lot. I wonder what she's bringing to the relationship?"

"Love!"

"But the man is bringing that, too. But she's asking for all this other stuff, too - she can't ever be wrong, big ring. Seems kind of unfair."

That got her gears turning.

Another one was the song Rude, where the singer asks for a girl's hand in marriage and the father says no. The lyric that bugged me was:

You say I'll never get your blessing 'til the day I die. [...] Why you gotta be so rude? I'm going to marry her anyway.

My daughter and her friend were yammering about how romantic this song was, so I stopped them mid-conversation and said to them:

"Telling a man that you would sooner die than give him your blessing is a pretty heavy thing to say. But rather than try to figure out why dad's so upset, this guy just blows him off and says he doesn't need dad's blessing anyway. That doesn't sound like a good man to me. Maybe dad isn't so dumb after all."

Silence for the rest of the car ride.

snakehayter · 2015-05-14T00:54:37+00:00

I remember hearing Drake say how being whipped means being respectful to your woman, gave me a good cringe

Overkillengine · 2015-05-14T00:07:13+00:00

Another one:

She don't love you,

she's just lonely

She wasn't once upon a time

She used to dance when the band played

She used to be the trustin' kind

She's no stranger to the leaving

She's heard all the best goodbyes

Fallin' has a different meaning

To her, you're just another guy

The progression from neophyte party girl to burnt out veteran with that 1000 miles of cock stare should be illustrated with painful clarity here.

She don't love you,

she's just lonely

She don't know another way

To break free from what's been broken

Too many cowboys roll away

So, forgive her if she's distant

She can't tell her heart to lie, no

You'll never be her one and only

She don't love you, she's just lonely

Alpha Widow.

You can hold her in the moonlight

You can give her all the stars

You can promise her forever

But you'll never have her heart

Do I even have to say anything more?

the_red_scimitar · 2015-05-13T23:14:05+00:00

The beta is so much worse in love songs written by men.

TRPn00b · 2015-05-14T05:00:56+00:00

John Legend's "All of me" is the reigning champ of so beta-cringeworthy-that-it-makes-me-want-to-vomit IMO.

22231315 · 2015-05-13T21:26:23+00:00

Meghan Trainor

Somebody please do something now to stop me from raging about this stupid fucking fatass cunt...quickly.

ShitfacedBatman · 2015-05-14T15:51:18+00:00

Artists like Madonna and Britney Spears have lyrics that praise both the alpha and the beta. It's weird because sometimes they'll deliver a solid red pill and other times they'll give you a load of blue pills.

As an exercise, DL (not illegally, of course) a pop diva's discography and pay attention to their lyrics. Quite a ride.

My fave RP Britney song is "Work Bitch." Fantastic.

Madonna is a straight up whorey CUNT though. Her Bedtime Stories album with that song, "I'm Not Sorry," holy shit, freedom of speech right there so whatever, but she lays out contemporary female nature for all to see. Nowadays I think she IS sorry. She's turned into a crotchety old spinster thinking she has "cougar powers" (LOL), no better or worse than Siouxsie Sioux.

crimson-hound · 2015-05-14T03:01:56+00:00

I wouldn't say "shitty" pop music, but classic rock/pop

One Way Out - Allman Brother Band

Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin

Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix

Take the Money and Run - Steve Miller Band

These songs aren't about beta mindsets and attitudes. They're just little narratives and stories of the "backdoor man" or a relationship going haywire when there's a power shift.

CoffeeCarsGuitars · 2015-05-14T15:26:22+00:00

Pop music has always been fairly constant in AF/BB;

from Britney:

"I think I did it again

I made you believe we're more than just friends

Oh baby, it might seem like a crush

But it doesn't mean that I'm serious"

to Ariana:

"I know your motives and you know mine

The ones that love me I, tend to leave behind

If you know about me and choose to stay

Then take this pleasure and take it with the pain"

and pretty much every artist inbetween from Christina Aguilera to Katy Perry etc. have fallen into these rather generic repetitive themes rather than provide an intelligent commentary on modern society.

This further expands into the Visual Arts too - notice the explosion of romantic comedies from late 80's onwards? Or the reworking of classic written works to cater to a different audience?

Take an iconic romcom - 'Breakfast at Tiffanys' - ever read the book? Director Blake Edwards and screenwriter George Axelrod clearly did and thought best to change the ending so that nice guy BB Varjak gets the girl, rather than the original where she flies off to Brazil in the hope of another AF and he's left with the cat. Playboy cut to the mustard in an interview at the time:

Playboy: Would you elaborate on your comment that Holly was the prototype of today's liberated female and representative of a "whole breed of girls who live off men but are not prostitutes. They're our version of the geisha girl..."?

Capote: Holly Golightly was not precisely a call girl. She had no job, but accompanied expense-account men to the best restaurants and night clubs, with the understanding that her escort was obligated to give her some sort of gift, perhaps jewelry or a check …if she felt like it, she might take her escort home for the night. So these girls are the authentic American geishas, and they're much more prevalent now than in 1943 or 1944, which was Holly's era.

usku · 2015-05-14T07:57:10+00:00

Sam Smith.

With lines like 'I don't want you to leave, will you hold my hand.'. ' but you can lay with me so it doesn't hurt '

Seriously fuck off. Stay with me is just horrid drivel, crying the beta blues.

csehszlovakze · 2015-05-14T07:32:07+00:00

I only "understood" these songs when I was suffering from oneitis, otherwise the term "shitty pop" seems redundant to me. Not a fan or rap either but at least they have some good stuff that even a metalhead can enjoy.

kamenr · 2015-05-14T10:36:43+00:00

Listening to pop music causes brain damage.

Mozart harpsichord concertos.

Philhelm · 2015-05-14T15:46:12+00:00

So don't be thinking I'll be home and baking apple pies

She'll just be fucking eating them all day.

mistaken4alpha · 2015-05-14T16:05:51+00:00

A good AF song is "Hey Mama"

Yes I do the cooking. Yes I do the cleaning. Yes I keep the nana real sweet for your eating. Yes you be the boss yes I be respecting. Whatever that you tell me 'cause it's game you be spitting.

and

Whole crew got the juice. Your dick game the truth. My screams is the proof. Them other dudes get the deuce. I might speed in the coupe. Leaving this interview. It ain't nothin' new, I been fuckin' with you. None of them bitches ain't taking you. Just tell them to make a U (Make a U). Huh, that how it be, I come first like debuts, huh. So baby when you need that, give me that word. I'm no good, I'll be bad for my baby. So I make sure that he's getting his share. So I make sure that his baby take care. So I make sure mama, toes on my knees. Keep him, please, rub him down, be a lady and a freak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EvYpGdZIk

Adultcontentonly · 2015-05-14T16:30:49+00:00

I've been thinking about these exact two songs as well. I can't stand unhealthy people so it is especially cringeworthy to listen to that false idol. I'm just glad some decent alpha messages are still allowed on to the media airwaves. I wonder when beta pride is going to snuff everything out?

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NoMoBluepill · 2015-05-13T22:23:20+00:00

I'm trying to rationalize a post in TRP about pop music and how it relates to the manosphere, and I just can't.

Title	AF/BB in shitty pop music
Author	borderline_sociopath
Upvotes	32
Comments	34
Date	May 13, 2015 8:57 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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