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If you’re reading this, OP, we support your eventual coming out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:34 PM

Smh we should’ve loaded up on fibre and carbs or something idk
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:44 PM

Be gay, then It seems like this is a weird thinly veiled way to express your love for men and how you just prefer them in general… which, no harm in that I mean I think women are better to where I became one and primarily date them soooooooooooo Nothing’s stopping you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:41 PM

And then there is a question of how relevant the trauma is. Like… I had a lot of trauma growing up, it isn’t exactly a part of my life now and I don’t identify with it - and I began identifying with kink spaces after I got over that trauma soooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:48 PM

You really star to think about orgasms differently when they’re a full body experience that comes in waves. Yes, of course they’re better with a partner but at the same time, an orgasm is an orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:49 PM

Obviously we don’t know anything about these individual women but the kink community in general is full of people who just enjoy exploring kink and sex. Sure, coming from a traumatized background is a possibility, but at the same time if they’re doing good for themselves in their lives, having fun and it is at its consensual then I don’t see why that’s hard to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:47 PM

I don’t understand what you’re asking tbh - what exactly do you think it is that women don’t get? What do you think is different here? Cause at least with the info I have, some people are kinky and some people aren’t. Some people wanna mess around a bunch and some hold a more personal view - that’s that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:41 PM

Having begun to hang around kink spaces I can’t say this entirely accurate (or even inaccurate) - you gotta look at it 2 ways: 1) it’s easy for people in these spaces to present how they want to 2) just cause someone is able to clearly articulate their feelings or have become more stable, doesn’t mean that they don’t come from trauma Of course there are likely a lot of stable people without much trauma who are straight up just kinky. They for sure exist, but also don’t get a specific image of tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:38 PM
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I guess that’s the intent of any direct distribution of content ;) I’ll try to remember to maintain that boundary the next time I buy a good from a local shop rather than Walmart
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:54 PM
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Aaaaah, so you don’t have a problem with paying when you’re paying a middle man who’ll take some of the profits and the creator only gets a tiny chunk? And as for YouTube, I do directly pay a small # of content creators via their patreon (which yeah is technically a middle man, but these companies exist so you can pay the creator directly). Call me parasocial, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with directly paying for the content you consume if you directly understand that you’re paying …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:31 PM
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Do you mean paying for the porn you consume or the parasocial stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 04:59 PM
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What am I making up? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 04:43 PM
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Again, so your answer to not simping is…. Simping. Your primary reason is the approval of women you wanna sleep with. That’s simping
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 04:11 PM
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I feel like you’re projecting a lot of your own feelings of sex work into this. From what I understand for the vast majority, they’re just paying for the creator as a provider of porn for them to watch. I don’t find anything strange about that as you are paying for content one takes time/money/resources to make. Try to separate the parasocial stuff from OF just existing as a platform. Cause yes, the parasocial stuff is def on the weirder, simpier end, but if you’re simply paying the same way you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:53 PM
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I mean…. Not necessarily. You could literally just be paying cause you like the porn they make and wish to consume it? As far as the mechanism it is no diffent from free porn if you don’t actively interest with the creator And why is it creepy? You keep calling it strange and now creepy - but you aren’t actually explaining why it’s strange
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:43 PM

As the old saying goes: the hoes come and go, but the bros are forever
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:32 PM
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I don’t watch porn, I’m just saying if you do pay for it and independent creators are often the more ethical choice. There is nothing ‘strange’ about it and they really don’t go hand in hand as there is content to be consumed and interactive features Why do you find paying for somebody’s labor strange af? Cause it’s clear that your argument isn’t “porn is strenge”, it’s “paying for porn, especially via independent creators is strange”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:17 PM
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Did you not read my whole comment? Literally the first part of my second paragraph addresses this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:01 PM
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Aaaah, so you’re basically simping anyway if you’re basing your decisions on what gives others the ick. All this tells me is you’re looking for approval… which is kinda simpy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 02:57 PM
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Tbh I’d rather have a guy pay for an OF than get free porn. Now - there is a line ofc, if you go the parasocial route then it does get messy, but otherwise? The woman involved is putting her time, money and resources into this work so she should be compensated as this is her labor. Merely paying for one isn’t inherently simping especially if you believe that people should be paid for the work they do, and you live according to that principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:56 PM
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I’m just saying, men have a habit of framing themselves as the cold logical ones, you’re admitting to a purely emotional claim
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:53 PM

Yepp exactly - we tend to actively associate jobs that aren’t ‘high education’ as lesser, and some of which are even set to moral judgment. To add to this, because we have a puritanical view of sex… you know….
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:53 PM
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At least you’re not trying to frame yourself as the factual and logical one
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:50 PM

Cause we have a habit of actively tying the act of sex as a moral statement and as such, how you have sex or express yourself sexually is a moral marker of character (and intellect)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:50 PM

“Tampons are a form of penetration and a woman using one means she’s got a loose vagina! If she ain’t using pads, she a hoe”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:48 PM
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Aaaaah, so if there is no line then this is just a way of dismissing other men who disagree with you. Gotchya
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:46 PM

I almost agree with you in that pop feminism hardly challenges the status quo and is more akin to buzzfeed trends than actual feminism (whichever school of thought you may subscribe to) - though I do disagree with your whole ‘sex work vs empowerment’ bit because sex work in itself can be empowering. What’s empowering about sex work is the fact one can choose to do it and still maintain a normal life. It’s the push for destigmatization and normalization of sex workers as… well… people, as well as…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:27 PM

When an act is empowering it basically means it’s an act that reasserts one’s own autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:18 PM
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You’re right in concept - there are indeed simps and white knights, but also often it isn’t uncommon for dudes to accuse literally every man who might be supportive of a woman or high rights to be a simp or white knight. Where do you draw the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:34 AM
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As a healthy alternative to the redpill, I see what you’re doing and I like it - though at the same time if it doesn’t actively try to differentiate itself from the redpill, it may become victim to the same misogynistic attitude that new define the redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:45 AM
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I mean… it doesn’t really matter what the specific term is, what it means and how it’s used kinda matters a lot more. Hence why I’m asking, are you suggesting new terminology or are you pushing for a rebrand?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:33 AM
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Bingo, I guess I’m trying to understand what this change in terminology achieves as often - that’s how alpha males describe themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:24 AM
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This is just so weird. All the trusts you mentioned are good traits to have, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with them… I also don’t think these traits represent the kind of men who are actively and popularly talking about women non stop
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:13 AM
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Totally, have at it and let me watch and/or join (but if you wanna go for it alone, by all means have fun)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:41 AM
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I’ll fill you in on a little secret: sex should have never been used for leverage and it being used as leverage, currency, a trading tool or whatever is a direct result of patriarchy being seen as the default. Also, the ‘modern dating culture’ you speak of are often men who cry and whine about having to pay on the first date. It’s the manosphere that brought up the whole “I took you out and paid. WHY DONT YOU SLEEP WITH ME?!?!!!” Not feminism - in fact what you describe (and what so many men des…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:38 AM
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So according to you… the best way to date is by having your best friend work a frontward facing job in nightlife or be a ‘local legend’ by having a lambo or tipping well? Do you not see how far apart these two are? But ultimately my biggest issue here isn’t how unrealistic it is, but also how harmful it is in the sense that this is literally “how to attract the kind of woman you complain about every single day” - this advice is fully geared towards appearing like you’re rich or have status, so n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:21 PM

Yeah, I’ve used ‘we’ and many other women have - but I hardly see it in the contexts you’re describing and often when ‘we’ is used it is used in cases where interests lie in a larger group dynamic… such as rights and having to maintain them, or something universal like… not wanting unconsentual sexual advances
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:28 PM
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Def yellow; if you’re worried and express it and are able to move on (especially in places where unsure) then fine. But if it’s a constant and it hampers your ability to take basic risks then its an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:07 PM
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Again, you haven’t really explained why it is a choice though. All you’ve done so far is pondered the state of gender relations (whether you’re right or wrong, I won’t comment) - but none of this is proof of anything being a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:03 AM
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I mean I said the rate was going up, not that the rate was higher. This indicates an ongoing changing trend, not a trend that’s said and done which is what you think I’m saying. Try to keep up. And yeah, people like dating within their socioeconomic bracket. This isn’t ‘hypergamy’, this is ‘I wanna maintain the lifestyle I’ve built for myself’ - like let’s be real here for a second. You think a guy dating a poorer chick is doing so cause he fell in love with her? He’s doing it cause she’s hot an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 03:12 AM
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Here is the problem: the only evidence you’re literally using is your own lived experience… which, I get your life story now, like seriously, I do - but the same time because you’re using evidence that’s entirely anecdotal, then literally anything I say is of equal value. Now, as for hypergamy the term - yes, it has been used in history and anthropology, however, it has been used in these fields to describe a trend of behaviors driven by factors influencing cultural and social values - evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:55 AM
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Yes, you’re describing your individual experiences. Congratulations. Though it is one thing to say “I am cautious because this is my history” vs “my history proves hypergamy and female nature” - like it is one thing to say you’re a part of a support group for men who have gone through this, it is a whole other to use this as universal proof because the support group itself acts as confirmation bias. I mean if I based my views on the world on my queer circles all day then everyone is trans and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:32 AM
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Right, but you haven’t explained why you think it’s a choice. You’ve widened your stance with an analogy but I still don’t know what these thoughts are based on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:21 AM
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And again, many people have described the opposite pattern. In fact there is a literal documented pattern of men leaving their sick wives. Maybe the issue isn’t women and more that people don’t wanna get involved in the ugly - which…. If that WAS your argument then I’d totally agree, but it isn’t, your actively specifically single out women for this phenomena and behavior. That’s what I am criticising. You’re not arguing that people wanna skip past the ugly parts or ignore the stories of failure…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:14 AM

….. how does ANY of this break my arguments? And I’m not insinuating anything. My point is even if your lack of choice brings you somewhere immoral, acting on it is still a choice - acting on something and feeling something are not the same thing. Homosexuality is between consenting adults, being trans has to do with internal individual identity. You can choose not to do any of these things, that’s what being closeted it all - however… why one one choose not to? Now, as for transness and childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:34 AM

Okay, this will probably end up being a mistake but I’m feeling generous: in the off chance someone else who’s actually curios and less here to spread hate is reading I’ll say this: Homosexuality is okay because it is between two consenting adults, pedophelia is not because a child cannot consent under any circumstance. Some people are vile, evil and/or morally broken. Being into people who cannot legally consent of any kind means you’re one of these. Now one might ask ‘why is this not okay but …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:13 AM

So you don’t know how laws of consent work, why they are the way they are AND you’re a homophobe? At least try to be subtle…..
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:39 PM
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Oh would you look at that, another ppd man not understanding how consent works
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:33 PM
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Tbh I do think most people do land somewhere on the ‘bi’ spectrum, many are just extremely reluctant to explore even the thought of it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:25 PM
0

No? Not really? A secure, reliable and fun partner tends to maintain a relationship sooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:23 PM
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LOL when and how have you trogon that ‘this sh*t’ is a choice? And what nonsensical caveats? Do you think bisexuality is fake?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:19 PM
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‘Not be heterosexual’ also means bi and pan (I bet the majority are bi, in fact - especially when you have the understanding that sexuality is more a spectrum than an either/or) …. And guess what? Bi women are far more likely to date man than they are women, I wouldn’t be worried lmfao Also, the reason why it rose is the decrease in overall stigma and increase in acceptance. It isn’t as nefarious as you make it out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:13 PM
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It = being gay. Sexuality isn’t a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:05 PM
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Cause it ain’t a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:04 PM
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Aaaah so you just happen to regurgitate these talking points so well outlet out of lived experience. Gotchya. And why do you say ‘the difference’ - do you hold yourself to that standard? Or are you above it? And I said ‘your experience’ as in your overall experience, I didn’t mean a singular experience. Also I don’t see why you needed to insert all this info about yourself cause to me it isn’t evidence of the femoid mind or whatever, it is evidence that many people surround themselves with those…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:26 PM
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You know what, you’re right. More women should be gay
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:21 PM
2

Now answer my last question. You keep making these broad generalizations about women based off your experience and your - to put it bluntly - podcast ponderings, but you are yet to tell me if a woman is justified to hold the same views as men given her experiences… which many have horrible experiences with many men of multiple backgrounds and income scales sooooooooooo Will you grant women the grace to make these same comparisons. Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:57 PM
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And let’s not forget how many men leave their women when they get sick. I’m sorry that happened to you, but at one point you kinda gotta ask if this is ‘tha naytchur of wahmen’ or some shit, or if you’re just not meeting the best people. What your experience proves is that you’ve met people who’ve revealed themselves to be shitty. I wonder, would you grant a woman who’s been in multiple bad relationships with an abusive men to announce loudly what the nature of men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:16 PM

I primarily date women and I love butts and I show off my butt, not cause i want attention from men (and i mean id love attention from women but that’s beyond the point), but cause I love the way its framed along the rest of my body (i mean i also show off my muscles soooo) - but I usually do it through pants that show the shape off and shorts… not really see through stuff. Also it isn’t really new, women’s pants have always drawn more attention to that region, and it often ebbs and flows in siz…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:06 PM
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Except I didn’t. You used a vague term, and many others use vague terms and define it vaguely. Others define it hyper specifically. As it stands it’s a made up concept. Also…. So you started being ambitious and looking after yourself and women took attention. This isn’t ‘hypergamy’, it’s called having your shit togther. Who wants to be with a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:59 PM
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You just said ‘in some way’ - why change it now that you’ve been called on your shit? Why are you shifting the goal posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:35 PM
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I mean…. Aren’t we all better than each other in some way? Also the definition of the term constantly changes to fit the person saying it. Your definition is so vague that if a man is a better floor sweeper than a woman, but if she’s better than him at literally everything else, that’s still hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:27 PM
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Eh, I don’t think this is particularly true. Sure, more men would cheat - I don’t think we can deny that, but going from ‘more men’ to ‘most men’ just isn’t true. In fact, if men had more opportunities odds are less men would get into relationships to begin with… which isn’t really a bad thing imo - a lot of men get into relationship due to having a scarcity mindset, so I’m not sure if as many men would get into one if the standard was higher than “human woman who’s into me”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:26 PM
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I have good news for you, hypergamy kinda doesn’t really exist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:23 PM
1

“Women are not entitled to anything either, not equal rights” LOL okay then, glad you’re admitting you’re seeing us as subhuman
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:37 PM
1

It does last longer but it also deteriorates. Just cause you can impregnate someone at 60 doesn’t mean you should. You increase your chances of genetic and developmental disorders
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:56 PM
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I mean you can use studies to prove nearly anything. The content within and the method of analysis, as well as the context tend to matter a lot more And cry about it, you’re not entitled to women’s attention
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:55 PM

I mean it kinda makes sense does it not? Friends first doesn’t mean “you’ve passed the friends test. Now date” it means “I’d like the person I am about to date to have had some kind of friendly personal history for me” - like ya’ll still have to be attracted to each other and have romantic/sexual chemistry, being friends first doesn’t disqualify these Also, the act of having feelings isn’t what ruins the friendship, it is the fact that more often than not the guy gets weird about it after
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:34 AM
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I’m trans so any biological ‘purpose’ is something I’ve kinda opted out of. That being said, nobody is a ‘purpose’ for anyone else. The issue with this is that it places a hierarchy on existence and ultimately this hierarchy exists to fulfill the wants of men. You’ve literally just re-pitched patriarchy. To put it bluntly - boo hoo, cry about it. Other people don’t exist to be your ‘purpose’. Find some other meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:31 AM
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Yes, they’re precious. Hence why you need em to figure out who you are, what you want, what you like and so on. One’s youth is valuable, but only because it gives one time to experiment and figure themselves out. It isn’t some ticking time bomb featuring a resource that gets less value - and if that’s all you’re valued for then fuck whoever is seeing you that way, they’re not worthy of any attention
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:09 AM
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Youth is overrated - and I say this because one’s value isn’t driven by her youth, if that’s all a dude sees then that’s something guys need to fix. Sure, if you wanna go the fertility route I guess that’s something but also nowadays you can have babies into your early 30s with no issue, plus let’s not forget a man’s sperm does worsen with time as well and children of older men are more likely to develop issues. Idk, I guess I just see youth as a primary indicator of value to be inherently limit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:03 AM
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Tbh I didn’t even read it has her threatening. I straight up read it as a light hearted jab - like it absolutely feels like her way of saying “why have you done this? I loved the beard on you!” In a jokey way. Idk, when I get very close to people I throw sarcastic jabs at them and light heatedly be a bit of a bully and they all seem to get it (and of course I’d stop if someone tells me to)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:59 AM
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I find posts like this very difficult to respond to cause like…. What are you supposed to say? “No we’re not?” Like anything a woman says will be responded with doubt, anything a man says will be dismissed as an outlier or him being so deep in the game, or that he’s simping. Like you’ve presented no facts, nothing to really consciously respond to and are just making broad statements. This is more rant than debate post tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:56 AM
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I did, and it means the same thing my dear
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:36 AM
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You’re seriously over thinking this. All of these reactions are in jest. Sure, they’re based on the reality of these men probably being hotter with beards on but guess what? These women will still kiss their husbands, love them and fuck them. Like none of this changes any of their reactions and no, odds are she did not literally beat his ass. So chill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:34 AM
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So basically…. “This is real because it is real. People will deny but it is real”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:59 PM
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How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:13 PM
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I don’t see how any of these are lies or attempts at gaslighting. The first one is the closest thing to a lie, the second one is pure avoidance, but the rest are legitimate concerns/preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:54 PM
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So lemme get this straight, a muscular bro-ee protective ‘man’s man’ gay man who’s into twinks is feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:31 PM
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Masculinity can be great and very helpful to society if utilized healthily - if the aggression is targeted at protection, if the competitiveness is handled healthily, if masc people don’t repress their feelings and don’t use masculinity as an excuse to be insensitive douches. And I think long as it isn’t an excuse to exert power then it can be great
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:30 PM
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So like… what exactly are the lies and attempts at gaslighting?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:22 PM
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I agree to the extent that people as a whole are visual, and while more women care about personality than men, I do think this is more social reinforcement than evolution. It isn’t uncommon to see cis women sleep with men they dislike… just like everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 10:42 AM
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So… it is valid to end a friendship due to your own inadequacies and jealousy? I mean, let’s put it this way, odds are this former front of yours is probably better off without the baggage tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:17 AM
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‘My community’ as in where I’m from? Absolutely ‘My community’ as in where I live now? Tbh not so much racism, some transphobia but nothing major (just some minor instances outside of online discussions), though I have experienced sexism after transition, and racism before transitioning
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:58 AM
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I do think concerns about migration is absolutely valid, and the situation is far more nuanced. For example, should we treat someone as ‘less progressive’ simple due to their core culture? Absolutely not. But should we also have stricter expectations for people maintaining - at least - a country’s baseline values if they’re visiting or staying there? I’m gonna say yes as well I’m a Middle Eastern trans woman who’s been in Canada for 12 years, and I am bi/pan. I come from a deeply misogynistic/ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:54 AM
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I agree with the title of the post, but the body of it def explains a more outlier case. Now, it depends on the gym you go to - commercial gyms will have a higher concentration of creeps but generally, an experience this awful at the gym isn’t the norm. As for the title - I generally tend to agree, but it is more a soft agree cause there are instances where (ex. Multiple shared glances on both ends) where I think approaching someone becomes entirely fine. Generally for the gym I think a fair lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:47 AM
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I’m gonna say the only caveat is how ‘respectful’ is defined. Some define it as just speaking kindly while others expect more. Way I personally see it, the general first instinct when it comes to approaching in the gym is ‘don’t’ - BUT when 2 patrons share glances frequently enough, then one party approaching the other (long as they don’t have headphones on, for example) is totally fine long as you take the first sign of disinterest as definitive proof they they’re not interested, and move on
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:44 AM
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And I do think this is a concern worth noting and addressing, like it def doesn’t feel right to just say “you’re not allowed here, good luck and goodbye!” - I am advocating for shifts within straight venues first (of which I’m not quite sure of yet), while also maybe not seeing queer spaces as a place of refuse for straight people. Like if it is just a gay bar in the most traditional sense this is less of an issue as the patrons are primarily gay men (but even then questions of capacity comes in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 06:03 PM
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I don’t mind straight people who are fully involved within the queer community or going with their queer friends. I think that’s a bit difference - but when groups of straight people go to queer bars to avoid the opposite gender hitting on them it kinda becomes an issue cause in a queer bar I don’t think people should think about the base requirement of “are you not straight?” Should be what’s in mind. Idk Thing is I also activly enjoy talking to people and I do feel like I present in a way that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:23 PM
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I do have an issue with the way lots of queer nightlife is seen by straight people tbh - even straight women Like I totally sympathize with not wanting to be actively hit on my men if you’re a woman, it does feel like a relief but at the same time - especially since gay bars grew to be towards a larger queer audience than just gay men (hence why I’m using queer bar) - I do find it kinda annoying to be at a queer bar and think “gee I hope she isn’t straight” when I talk to her, just feels kinda i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:16 PM
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I guess first I wanna dig into the “more gay” language cause I do think there is a larger issue in these things being viewed as gay, and in men not being able to have fun. Like it isn’t ‘gay’ or sexuality related to be into fashion, skincare, like fruity drinks, be more into your feelings, enjoy dancing so on. The issue is many men feel it does as it breaks the stoic serious image tied into masculinity. Problem is a lot of guys try to appeal to the most masculine guys rather than just do what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:10 PM
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At least based on your experiences, life happens - the difficulty of dating single parents is kids are their whole life (as they should be) and of course, kids can be unpredictable. Like what they share is what they’re willing to share, there are many details that are often left out (ex. Money trouble, babysitter trouble, kid gets sick with something else, mom is exhausted from dealing with kid, etc) - I don’t date single moms for that reason, I’ll mess around with a single moms- but I also don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:12 AM
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Where tf did you hear that? Thing is about shorts is does the person have the legs to pull them off? And what kind of shorts? Generally anything above the knee is flattering, anything below makes you look short and stubby
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:07 AM
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Okay, explain your line of work
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:19 PM
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It seems awfully dramatic to call it ‘serious boundaries’ though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:18 PM
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Right. You initially didn’t say that, you said ‘hang out’ - which could mean during work or during a break lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:11 PM
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Tbh to me it just reads as some awkward guy might be into you and you’re turning it into a whole thing. It doesn’t sound like he’s being creepy, inappropriate or even entitled. It frankly just sounds like you’re insulted that someone like him woukd be even into you tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:09 PM
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Nope. Workers who don’t get to know each other and build trust are far less likely to be treated fairly in the workplace because management knows they don’t talk
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:08 PM
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By all means, you do you - I’m just saying if you need a reason why workers are so easy to take advantage of, this mindset plays a big role
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:04 PM
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OP’s post is very femcel-ee (don’t you worry I have a reply coming, I ain’t being quiet here), and the reason why it is generally assumed is cause a lot of dudes on here talk about women like we’re some alien species they’re analysing from a distance. A ton of posts here also have a level of spite in them that is unignorable Now, whether you can or can’t get women? I don’t know, genuinely. I’m not making assumptions cause your comment generalizes things, but not the “I don’t get laid and it is e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:03 PM
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Befriend better women idk what else to tell you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:57 PM
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And that’s exactly how the working class stays disconnected and easy to take advantage of
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:56 PM
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Right, and I have friends (across both genders) who stay and go. My point is you’re framing a human behavior as a woman thing entirely based on your experience. Some women just flat out suck at maintaining friendships, as do some guts. Simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:56 PM
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Then don’t be friends with anyone. Again, guys often stop talking to each other too when they date. This is universal across everyone sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:53 PM
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This def happens across all genders, can’t tell you the amount of guys who suddenly disappear when they get a gf
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:51 PM
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Hard to say, you’re so confidently wrong and uninformed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:22 PM
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Women paint more than men, and there are tons of successful (and underground) songwriters, music producers, photographers and so on who are women - and the numbers for all of these are growing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:22 PM
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You got all of that from meeting one woman eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:19 PM
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Yeah you’ve got nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:18 PM
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Oooooo gimmie examples
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:11 PM
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Makeup can be a ton of fun and it can def be a hobby once you move out of ‘how do I make my face look perfect’ - speaking for myself, I love playing with all kinds of shapes and colors with my eye liner and shadow, and often I do it to match my outfits/the vibe of the event - often in a very expressive way. So it can def be a skill or a hobby, I’d argue as legitimate as any artform. Then you think about special effects makeup, drag makeup, mood based makeup - it’s a whole world
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:11 PM
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I mean…. Makeup can indeed be a hobby. What do you think glam makeup, special effects makeup or even expressive makeup can be? And what’s a creative hobby to you? Give me examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:09 PM

Righhhhhtttttt, and I think I’ve been pretty consistent. You just don’t like how I’m consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:07 PM
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If I say I can’t for intellectual reasons, will you explain in more detail? And aaah - one woman. In what context? And what happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:06 PM

You say this as if you ever held me at some regard
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:01 PM
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No. You didnt. Saying “men have to be more interesting because a woman will otherwise ignore him” tells us the same information you already presented. I am asking about the exact mechanisms of what being more interesting looks like. As for your next statement. How many women have you met? Better yet, how many women who are into women have you met? Also does this mean that gay men are into reach other cause they’re the same level of interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:01 PM

Oh sorry didn’t realize I did, imma try to use absolute statements only from now on
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:57 PM
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Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:52 PM
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No. All you’ve done so far is say “men have to be more interesting to attract women” in different ways. Explain, in specific terms, how a man is more interesting in practice. Like what makes a man actively more interesting? And how does that sit with women attracted to women? How does this theory manifest here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:52 PM
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Right, so back to your statement. Explain how men tend to be more engaging/less boring? And how does this fit into people into the same gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:45 PM
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I primarily date women, actually. Very very very occasionally men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:43 PM
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How and why do I know this? And no…. You didn’t. You just repeated what you just said
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:37 PM

Victims of abuse come with a lot of trauma, although therapy can make a difference. That being said, I think long as you’re not victim blaming or throwing blanket generalizations and are sensitive/respectful of the topic with that preference I don’t see an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:30 PM
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We must be on different subreddits to encase for ever woman going on about how awful men are there are at least 10 men saying the same thing about women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:27 PM
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How so? Be specific
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:26 PM
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I was so close to agreeing with you but you just had to go “actually, women suck” Like it really do be impossible to not dehumanize us I guess. Like this post legit could’ve been “like men, women are people who have wants, needs, personality, urges, desires, sometimes they’re great, sometimes they suck, etc” but instead you go “the evil femoid is not worthy of your idealization, rejoice my fellow man and understand that there are unworthy”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:23 PM
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You’re right, but again, the difference is the bar for friendship is far lower and more impersonal than romance. Expecting romance is expecting things to go as far as intimacy, and I don’t think that’s a fair expectation to put on yourself/others for these settings Like I genuinely don’t think both kinds of disappointment nor both activities are the same because one puts so much more weight on the individual than the other
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:55 AM
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Men have a higher sex drive because… you know…. A little hormone called testosterone. Of course multiple factors determine sex drive, but the presence of T generally tends to be the larger driver. I think there is a reason why more often than not (of course there are outliers), trans men get hornier on T, and trans women get a lot less horny on E
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:32 AM
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Oh boy…. Quite the contrary, I think TRP doesn’t understand gender dynamics because they’re unable to see things within their fully contextual role and understand how policy, positioning and social expectations do impact our lives. And no, a man can ‘straight up rape a woman’ (although it isn’t surprising that the claim is made by someone who is very rape-ee), because he is denying her the right to her autonomy… of course unless you believe a woman’s right to autonomy isn’t a negative right whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:23 AM
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You’re putting expectations on others that isn’t fitting the context - which, the issue with it is less that it is predatory (like not everying that’s wrong is predatory. That’s not the only way one can be wrong), but its more that you create a mismatch of expectations as friendship has a far lower bar and the natural question always comes: if someone does see you as a friend and you’re disappointed that they aren’t a romantic prospect like you pre-planned, then what? Like an improv class (for e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:16 AM
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He has kinder eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:49 AM
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If I absolutely HAD to pick, his cohost. At least he looks like he might enjoy cuddling
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:27 AM
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No, what I said was utilizing social circles as a strategy ain’t right cause at this point you’re not in it for the activity, or for making friends, you’re in it to single someone out and that’s that. There is nothing wrong with being attracted to and dating someone you meet in a social setting or within your social circle, though there is something wrong with deliberately going to settings where dating isn’t the primary goal and turning it into your personal dating pool
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:35 AM
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Aaaah I see you’re strawmanmaxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:10 AM
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He’s a garbage human being, a grifter AND a fraud
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:58 PM
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Nope I am 100% serious and stand by everything I said :D
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:45 PM
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Thanks for mansplaining alpha to me, I was totally lost on it AND I was lost on my sarcastic use. Thank you And I know it is a mainstream thing…. Because manosphere ideas are quite popular amongst straight (and many closeted) men, I don’t need a pick-me explaining it to me in a video lol (and yeah, I’m quite familiar with her content. She’s a pick me)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:26 PM
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In other words, ladies, if you wanna avoid all the alpha bro wannabes - get a nose ring (you’re hotter with one on anyway tbh)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:11 PM
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In all fairness, moral judgment isn’t limited to one gender. Let’s not forget how much men love to judge our moral character over stuff like sexual history, relationship history, hobbies, what we wear and so on. The line between “she’s a good woman” and “she’s a cheating whore” can literally be a summer dress or short skirt. And the reason why I bring up lesbians is partly cause I largely date women (very very occasionally date men) and the biological feelings are more or less similar. Like lesb…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 08:29 PM
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Right…. So basically everything that doesn’t fit your rigid forumula can be handwaved, gotchya. Of course the mid guy isn’t the hottest guy she’s seen. No shit. Nobody’s claiming that. Do you think people date each other based on hotness alone? And why can’t we talk about lesbians? People are attracted to each other, are they not? Who you’re attracted to might differ, but it is the same neurological and psychological pathways. So why can’t we? Is it cause it completely ruins your worldview? Also…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 05:16 PM
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Yeah I didn’t do much (if any) research on him (don’t really think about serial killers, like at all) - but the principal remains the same
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 05:02 PM
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No…. Vibes doenst make someone ‘good’ it just means we get along and enjoy each other’s company. And yet, you see women dare mid men all the time, fat people date skinnier people and since we are sticking to women - some very pretty femme lesbians end up dating some not so pretty butch lesbians. I really think so much of what you’re saying overstates the roles of externalities. Like the issue is you’re unable to see that people can just mesh in the right ways, and yes, it isn’t some mysterious f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:32 PM
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“Oh yeah? This charming serial killer who had to be charming to lure his victims had vibes. CHECK MATE FEMOID!!” And lots of guys who don’t have one or multiple of all the things you mention still have ‘vibes’ - though also were missing the forest for the trees by trying to even quantify it. One thing that people here frequently fail to understand is that ‘vibes’ or liability is as subjective as something can get. You can’t mathematically unlock ‘vibes’ or ‘solve’ it, all you can do is try shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:15 PM
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“Oh yeah? This charming serial killer who had to be charming to lure his victims had vibes. CHECK MATE FEMOID!!” And lots of guys who don’t have one or multiple of all the things you mention still have ‘vibes’ - though also were missing the forest for the trees by trying to even quantify it. One thing that people here frequently fail to understand is that ‘vibes’ or liability is as subjective as something can get. You can’t mathematically unlock ‘vibes’ or ‘solve’ it, all you can do is try shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:15 PM
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“Social circle maxxing for warm approach” just made my skeleton leap out of my skin and if I find out any guy in my life does that and phrases it in any form of “I’m making friends to ‘warm approach’” then we’re done (Note: having many friends and social circles is helpful, but it is not a dating strategy, like I dont wanna be a part of your plans to find a partner. Also using ‘maxxing’ (even ironically) gives me the ick)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:47 PM
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I understand the sentiment, and agree with the sentiment itself in ideal contexts but context and practicality are what makes this not the most universal. For your advice to work, the relationship would have ended in good faith or enough time has passed for forgiveness to occur on either side, and it requires both partners to be reflective which isn’t always the case. There is also the question of whether the person even wants to give you advice, or whether the advice they’ll give you will be tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:43 PM
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People here like to dismiss vibes as a non answer but tbh it actually kinda matters a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:06 PM
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I feel like you’re putting an impossible standard on women. At the one hand if she sleeps around a lot she’s a slut, at the other hand if she doesn’t sleep with you early enough she hate sex and is therefore undesirable. Do ya’ll expect us to both sleep with you early AND pick ‘the right partner’ early at the same time?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:50 PM
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Jesus…. Okay, because underlying policy and the behavior that comes with it is the issue. And no, my claim isn’t that anti wokeness is racism. My claim is the term is so arbitrary that it applies to anyone who wants to use it, however, it is most often my used by the modern American right (who…. Yes, are racist) and have used to describe anyone who doesn’t conform to conservative ideals. It is now the most dominant use of the term. So naturally when someone says “I’m anti woke” I question them b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:13 PM
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Okay then guess I’m woke lmfao Even though other people ‘woker’ than me don’t consider me woke because the term is arbitrary. But hey, keep making excuses for fascists rather than fighting them ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:49 PM
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The issue with classical liberalism is that it assumes very one has the same starting point and doesn’t account for how class, race, or history impacts us. So no, I won’t accept your classical liberal premise because the idea itself is entirely dependent on a worldview held by a privileged class (who all owned slaves) all starting from a place of wealth/comfort If you wanna blindly accept that anything other than a color blind approach to race relations is racism, that’s on you, because I’ve alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:46 PM
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Right, so back to this “Define ‘anti woke’ - cause the term could be anything from a dogwhistle to a misguided way of saying “I wanna be able to say gay and retarded”” Because it really sounds like you’re unable to see why using the term is iffy, cause it is such an arbitrary standard to where if I have to drill into your use of the term to know what you mean, that might be a serious issue with how you use the term lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:35 PM
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….. no? Why would I ever imply that? The issue is you think they’re the same thing, you’re still operating as if I accepted the premise that they’re the same thing. To be explicitly clear, I reject the premise you present entirely. The reason why social support towards black Americans is different is because it is elevating people who have actively been disadvantaged, and often via deliberate government decision (which is still happening) Nothing supports the same kind of history towards white p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:31 PM
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I literally explained why it isn’t racism. Did this fly over your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:22 PM
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For the sake of everyone I hope you’re right about Newsome cause he is horrible As for Mamdani, he attended pride, he supports trans rights, he very much holds leftist beliefs towards class and racial politics and he literally attended pride. This is what I mean when I say the definition of ‘woke’ is arbitrary because most people center and further right do consider him to be woke, and the fact that you don’t cause I assume you like him (hey, at least we can agree on something) already tells us …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:22 PM
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I mean I see a bunch of people enabling the white supremacists cause you’re unable to see the difference between elevating displaced groups and attempting to maintain social power lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:03 PM
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Didn’t Kamala run on the least identity politics driven platform a dem candidate had run in a while? And I mean…. Even the left hated her And the dems still haven’t learned. The guy with the most buzz right now is Newsom as far as the federal race and he’s basically selling out to the anti woke crowd. Now, locally it is a lot better with Mamadani especially, but guess what? The man is woke af
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:02 PM

How about we talk about how Americans with African or black sounding names are more likely to get a job application denied? Or how black neighborhoods still deliberately get underfunded education and recreation, especially compared to rich white ones? Or how about how the war on drug’s ongoing effects are still at play (and the war on drugs actively targeted black communities)? Or how about how cops are more likely to profile black Americans? Or how the generational impacts of slavery still exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:23 PM
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Not really…. Cause ‘woke’ is a very arbitrary term which means literally anything from ‘anti pc’ to ‘anti anything remotely leftist’ - for example, i would say I do fall into woke as I’m a transfemme who uses she/they and believes in far left politics, but also I love myself some edgy humor and still call out the left on occasion. I also have more concrete views on immigration (at least in Canada as I am Canadian). I consider myself to be ‘woke’ cause most people I side with are woke, but some i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:14 PM
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No shit, I was being facetious. And for the record if you voted Trump in 2016 and 2020 and had since then reflected, then by all means, we all mess up. As I have admitted already some on the left have indeed pushed it too far - though if you’re still hung up on all this, still support Trump, and still define yourself by 2016 culture war shit when things have gotten so off the rails, you’re a white supremacist at this point. Idc if you refuse that you are, the fact that you’re making excuses for …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:05 PM
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I will agree that some people on the left do push it too far, but at the same time if people’s headspace is “these leftists are so crazy I will support white supremacists” then its kind of not on the leftists tbh To add to this, a lot of your talking points do touch on dog whistles cause it isn’t hard to find good faith discussions on topics like privilege, whether it be racial or gender based. The whole “men and white people are inherently evil and terrible” stuff is heavily exaggerated by righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:43 PM
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Aaaaah, you’re stuck in 2016 culture war shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:58 AM

I love that your answer flipped from “hang out with more men” to “NO not like that!” The men I hung out with were masculine men who aligned with conservative views and one of them even introduced me to the redpill directly. I’m not friends with most of them for a reason, and the 1-2 I am still friends with got a lot more progressive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:56 AM

I mean… I spent 30 years of my life as a man and the majority of it I hung around straight men but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:51 AM

…….. no? That was never my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:20 AM
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Keep calling it more extreme, but the number of people filtering political beliefs were growing lol - then again, maybe all this is you refusing to come to terms with the fact that this matters now… so I’ll leave ya to it unless you have something actually meaningful to add
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:53 AM
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Keep calling it more extreme, but the number of people filtering political beliefs were growing lol - then again, maybe all this is you coping with the fact that this matters now
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:52 AM
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Both parties do indeed suck, differences is one is leaning more and more into traditionalism and white supremacy very proudly while one isn’t lmfao (though if you want my “fuck the lesser of 2 evils” opinion, I lean towards far left spaces, albeit somewhat undefined as I don’t like limiting myself to theory) - my overall point is though, the party and policy matters when the bar is as low as one party being far more anti human rights than the other (and notice, I didn’t call the dems pro human r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:42 AM

I mean when the space reinforces regressive gender roles the reason kinda really does matter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:37 AM
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I mean when one party is into (subtly or very loudly) outright getting rid of various groups and the other (at the absolute bare minimum) isn’t, yeah, political party kinda really fucking matters lmfao You’re using party and policy as if they’re fully different things that don’t relate to each other. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:33 AM
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I guess that’s my primary issue, “a little extra” - policies that literally hurt the rights and lives of other people is not ‘a little extra’, and I think to say that it is tell me how little you’re impacted by this stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:27 AM

Yes, an example means one instant of many. This is an example of ‘these spaces often attract men who want to hurt women’ - this includes spaces talking men into thinking women limit their growth, re-enforcing that men should lead and women should follow, re-enforce that some activities are for men only, I admit I went for a very attention grabby (albeit a very real and relevant) issue, but there are also tamer instances of this. I tell you what, give me an example of genuinely healthy male only …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:23 AM

“An example is a single item, person, or event that shows what a larger group is like, helps explain a rule, or serves as a model to copy or avoid”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:19 AM

I mean for starters maybe don’t use these spaces to further reenforce shitty ideas. Or does that remove the whole point of male spaces?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:18 AM

Literally not what I said, but sure, strawman away. “For example” is the dead giveaway here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:15 AM
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MAGA as well lmfao (tbh even more so. And I’m brown and grew up Muslim)- do you know how often do consecutive men try to date alt women, and the rare ones who do the to un-alt them? Or how often conservative men want to go for the career women or clearly progressive women just to turn her trad? MAGA are just as bad as radical Muslims in my eyes, although they’re twice as stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:14 AM
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“Did they ask every woman” isn’t the check mate you think it is because this literally never was how polls and surveys worked. And I say 40-60% because it is a result of multiple polls scored the board. And funny, I live in Canada (close to Toronto, and even lived in Toronto) and before I had transitioned when I was a dude I’d see that quite often. Even then, many factors play into this - whether a form of selection bias plays a role, whether you personally are simply unassuming enough to where …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:12 AM

I mean…. Historically women’s only spaces had existed primarily because the world is literally run by men. The island retreat you speak of exists very differently outside the context of alpha bro mountain because they don’t exist as a male hating circlejerk. I tell you what, give me examples of genuine positive male spaces that don’t have a history of misogyny that are heavily criticized then we’ll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:09 AM

What hate speech? wtf are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:01 AM
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Multiple polls have the rate of liberal or progressive women who say they won’t date conservative men at 40-60%, and while that technically is the minority of all women, it is a growing group and a majority of progressive and liberal women soooooooo - and idk, I don’t think it is extreme when the topic at hand is “will the men in power try to get rid of (insert right here) tomorrow because they’ve been pushing further in this direction the past few years?” And sure, they don’t matter to you. Con…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:00 AM
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Define ‘anti woke’ - cause the term could be anything from a dogwhistle to a misguided way of saying “I wanna be able to say gay and retarded”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:54 AM

I mean we can’t really have a debate or discussion if all you have it “this is a weddit take and I am angwy!!!! u awe watawded!!!!” Like why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:52 AM
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That’s actually not true. It isn’t uncommon for a right wing dude to try to date progressive women all the time and often try to turn her conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:51 AM
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“It’s the extremist minority” - remind me, how is it that women who refuse to date right wing men is an actively growing group that is gaining more traction? Thing is, political differences many years ago vs now mean different things. I can see political differences not mattering much when the consensus was “well I guess I don’t get it, but its their lifestyle” or something like that, but when human rights are literally the diffence maker politics kinda do really matter and imo brushing it off i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:50 AM

I like that you responded to literally none of what I said and turned to insults
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:47 AM

I mean…. Bring on men’s/boy’s spaces that aren’t rot with enforcing old style gender roles and teaching men toxic masculinity as the norm then we’ll talk. The issue isn’t that these spaces exist, the issue is these spaces often attract men and support men who want to hurt women Like ya’ll ain’t just fucking off to the mountains, ya’ll are fucking off to the mountains then coming with a fully normalized and watered down view of committing SA, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:39 AM
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Nah, heterosexuality is simply being attracted to one other gender other than your own. Heterosexuality in itself isn’t the cause of this dichotomy, the culture around it is - which…. There is a difference, we can have a separation of heterosexuality (a sexual orientation) and straight culture (the many cultural and social values existing to maintain norms perpetrated by those who benefit from heterosexuality being the primary power)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:02 AM
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I do think a lot of women rejecting bi men circles to biphobia, but it has nothing to do with leverage imo, I think it has a lot more to do with the internal disgust many feel about the idea of 2 men together. Also this assumes that these women are inherently feminine which… do you even have proof of that? Where do you draw that line? And how?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:55 PM

I tell you what, answer this question: can you come up with a relationship model that’s mutually beneficial? Cause to me it sounds like you’re telling younger women “sure, you’ll be stuck with this middle aged weirdo…. But you won’t have to work again!!” Like thank you I guess??
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:39 PM

Yeah, like I said, you’re 19 and it shows. Get away from this brainrot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:36 PM

So instead of being old sad pervs they should be middle aged sad pervs? Also notice something: you’re saying all this and not once you’re considering the kind of impact this may have on both parties Also if you’re in support of age gaps, why have you neglected to talk about older women with younger guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:26 PM

To put it bluntly, you lack the development, know how and experience to know better. “Age gap relationships are fine” are what so many 19-21 year old (women primarily, but still) say, but when they actually get into one they end up regretting the decision to ever get into one as they realize the differences in development as they age
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:22 PM

Just…. Don’t get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:21 PM

I noticed how your only example is a younger woman marrying a rich guy… which in itself brings its own series of issues, primarily with active coercion and the like Also funny how you only bring up the benefit in context of the older man But also, you’re 19
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:19 PM

Notice how you didn’t deny what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:20 AM

Aaaah, so what you’re saying is your support for the rights of literally anyone who isn’t a white man is dependent on whether you get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:14 AM

I hang around a few - outdoorsy people, artsy people, the local punk and metal scenes, queer spaces - that kind of thing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:08 AM
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Wdym “you don’t want an empty cup?” Wdym? Also I primarily date women and only occasional go for men soooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:01 AM

Speaking for myself it has been easier to make friends and get to know people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:53 AM
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I mean yes if someone is a creep, I will shame him And I mean…. Other than ‘hi’ I’d complement the person’s outfit, give them a comment on the vibe I get, if I’m online I comment on their profile, I tell a joke based on how I perceive them. It ain’t hard
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:52 AM
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It really sounds like you want an empty vessel you can implant your own wants into
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:49 PM
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Like I said, I’d rather be single than settle
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:42 PM
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In all fairness, I wouldn’t expect to put something on my partner that I don’t put on myself. Like I have a very active life, i actively already do search for new experiences and have my few go-to things. I simply expect my partner to do the same because I do view a relationship as mutual effort. Like if all you do for fun is what I do for fun, you’re boring imo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:37 PM
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But I’m not having a boring time?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:19 PM
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Because I want to be able to bond with, enjoy my time with and do stuff with my partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:18 PM
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To each their own. When a woman (or a guy, since I’m primarily into women but I do go both ways) only has availability to offer I get bored very very quickly. I need someone with an exciting life cause I want their energy to match mine + I want someone actively into and who always explores new things (like I do)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:08 PM
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I mean yeah, if all you have to offer is “I’ll be there tomorrow morning cause I got nowhere else to be”, that’s kind of a very, very, very, very sad standard. I wanna date a person with an actual series of interests, hobbies, someone who’s independent enough to have their own life and for me to have my own but we can elevate each other. I’d rather be single and mess around till then then settle for someone just cause tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:58 PM
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I mean….. yeah. If all you have to say is “hi” I will absolutely ignore you. The same applies to me btw, I send the first message roughly half the time and I wouldn’t be caught dead sending “hi” And oh boy…. You mean the wife of an absolute nut case of a man obsessed with Taylor swift’s reproductive clock?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:08 PM
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Ngl the death of monoculture is the one of the beet things to happen. Like yeah, how terrible it is that people can now explore whatever they want to explore, be who they wanna be and find people that fit their value system and interests rather than a ready built set of rules for everyone. Oh the travesty
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:05 PM
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Cities can be more daunting at first, but once again having a clear idea of yourself, the communities you want to be a part of and how you want to spend your time off work/school plays a much bigger role. Smaller communities have the advantage of people getting together due to the more limited range of options, cities can give you the potential for much more but only if you know what kind of people you want in your life. You have to be more willing to put in the effort to curate your own experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:02 PM
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This really just feels like a covert way of saying “lower your standards for me pls”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:19 AM

Stop asking for permission and just do it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:16 AM
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Weird how? Gimmie specifics. I was born in 94 (so at the tail end of millennial) and I always felt as though Gen Z were more sex positive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:52 PM
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I’m gonna say it depends on the thing and whether it is an interest or a genuine necessity. Let’s put it this way, if they’re as good an artist as I am (and I am decent, not amazing but decent) then that’s fine, or if they’re as Into hiking or whatever then cool, but say… the difference comes in in practical stuff. I’m great with my hands, I’m good at building shit/taking things apart and figuring out how it all works, but I’m also not the most organized, so someone a lot more organized than I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:24 PM
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I didn’t say that I don’t use them, I said they are a lower priority way of meeting people. I still use them, but more passively. I still much prefer meeting people irl And what’s confusing? What makes you think I’ll be on the apps non stop cause men are gone? What gave you that impression?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:36 AM
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“Men are gone but so is their attention” yes. Exactly. Which is why I removed men from the apps lmfao Less constant notifications, less bad profiles, more fun conversations. I don’t take the apps seriously, like to me they’re one of many ways to meet people (tbh probably one of the lower priority ones) so to me its been a non issue
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:31 AM
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So much nicer
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:26 AM
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LOL so you’re basically outright admitting that you’re gonna reject any information that doesn’t align with your narrative?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:08 AM
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What about the many women who get tons and tons of likes and matches and simply decided to go on without the apps? Cause this happens very very frequently. As a guy I was relatively attractive. Not the best looking but a 6 on average, 7 in a good day - so I got 1-2 matches a week. When I opened my app up to guys it shot up to a comically high number, and the matches I got would include charming messages like “top or bottom?” So I removed guys from my app Since transitioning, I made a new profile…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:01 AM
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There are many more women than men outside wdym - maybe less so in nightlife, but I see more women in hobby group, parks, coffee shops, socializing, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:02 AM
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Huh, could’ve sworn men outnumber us on dating apps pretty notably and men tend to use these apps a lot more. Stop projecting your own worldview on how others behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:50 AM
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Idk, Gen Z is overall the least weird about sex compared to any other generation - however, the issue seems to be that Gen Z quite literally go outside less than previous generations, and when outside Gen Z interacts with each other less than previous generations on average. I think it is less ‘weird about sex’ and more that Gen Z spends a lot of time online and not interacting with people. Some of it also isn’t their fault, they’ve inherited quite the shitty economy and a kind of constants stim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:31 AM
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Except it wasn’t “dudes bonding” it was a hotbed for misogyny and the normalization of fascist ideology. “Male identity” (as you put it) wouldn’t be such a bad thing if it wasn’t linked with misogyny and appeals to fascism, like if you need those to be a man then maybe your view of masculinity is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:58 PM

And what exactly is that? Cause everything I think of that relates to us and perception often has to do with slut shaming and not wanting to be shamed for doing consensual, fun, actions - that doesn’t sound comparable to being seen as a creep or pervert so you must be referring to something else (I’m giving you a very easy out. You should take it)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:21 PM
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I think you’ve missed the larger point. It is the lack of charisma or being ugly, for me it was the way I saw them interact with others, the boiled down entitlement they all collectively shared, the fact that the way they dressed showed no individual identity and frankly seeing people being hateful in person is so much more republics than seeing them be hateful online
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:05 PM

What is a “insert something” Be specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:02 PM
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I mean there is such a thing as putting the friendship on pause and moving on (and clearly communicating it) and then returning to being friends. This whole “friendship is ruined after feelings have been had” mentality has always struck me as childish
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:50 PM

If you’re constantly worried about being perceived as the latter and mentally make these associations frequently, maybe that’s something worth thinking about
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:47 PM
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Lmfao during gamergate I was too busy hating myself and expressing outwards to the world around me, joined some right wing ‘pro free speech’ stuff (now, I am a free speech absolutest still but my mistake was assuming sincerity), as these movements went further right I tried getting their approval more (I’m visibly brown), and this went on till around the first time I met half these people in person and for some reason that made me begin to reevaluate
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:12 PM
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Fair, upbringing could be the difference maker here - we also gotta ask what people are being fed at home, by other students or by other people who appear as authority culture. A guy believing something is a part of rape culture only goes as far as him actually believing rape culture so real and confronting internalized uncomfortable stuff… which is harder to do when others try to affirm one’s belief that what they do is entirely normal. Lmao and I kinda do relate to the second part, I learned a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:02 PM
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‘Told her she knew she wanted it’ isn’t normal flirting and the phrasing actually makes so many women uncomfortable. There is a difference between escalating and pushing, and ‘until you got what you wanted’ is kind of the worrying part cause it tells me it isn’t about the mutual experience, it’s about you getting spending out of it ‘Kept touching and kissing her’ is very different from both of you engaging in touching and kissing and someone escalating And the last one is very accusatory right o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:57 PM
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<image> These are categories you decided to sort. These are your words. This is what I am asking out. All of this is pretty damn rapey, whether you wanna count on the 95% or not, this still tells me I need to worry about 60% of all men because those are who admitted to coercive behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:36 PM
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You didn’t answer my question. Explain how these things are ambiguous
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:30 PM
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Explain how anything in your ambiguous flirting is context dependent cause no the fuck it isn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:27 PM

It’s a non issue. The world is already overpopulated and conditions don’t positively favor having children. When circumstances improve those who want children will have them - for now though I think a reset is needed because none of this is sustainable
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:26 PM
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And yet, what you consider to be coercive behavior is extremely limited and only really applies to scenarios where he’s already got her alone and is physically imposing in some way. So much of what comes before (mentioned in the study) leads into this kind of final result Idk, its just weird that you’re acting like you’re concerned when you mentioning stuff like ‘gradually pushed verbally or physically until you got what you wanted’ to be ambiguous
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:21 PM
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I don’t think the interpretation should be as punishing (for most men… not OP in particular), but rather, it shows how these behaviors are so normalized. My big takeaway is a lot of men flat out don’t know that that this behaviour is a larger part of rape culture and in all fairness, it is hard to see it that way when the loudest voice in the room repeatedly tells them it’s okay (and repeatedly tells them not to listen to us)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:19 PM
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So much of it is also just flat out normalized and minimised as normal behavior. I recall once the first piece of advice I got in a club many many many years ago was from a dude who was relatively normal. “Just walk up to her, stand behind her and touch her, she’ll start grinding on you” One might say “oh this guy was a creep” - but then you realize encountering a guy trying that is a near universal club experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:17 PM
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Tbh I think the fact that some of it sounds harmless to OP is kind of the big tell that we do live in a rape culture and lots of people still don’t know what that means
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:13 PM
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Let’s pretend you have a point (cause you don’t), but let’s pretend you do. What you consider to be coercive behavior, that’s still 1/5 men admitting to the worst kind behavior Also u love that you handwave stuff like asking her repeatedly (which happened half the time), told her she knew she wanted it (4/10 men), ‘gradually pushed’ is 3/10 men, kept going a staggering 3/5 men - all of which are indeed coercive behavior and some are borderline rape-ee So I mean, even taking things charitably, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:11 PM
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Why are ya’ll obsessed with lowering standards as a mantra?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:33 AM
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Yeahhhhh like I said, bad faith and tangents. See, you are as smart I thought, just more interested in trying to win than actual discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:42 PM
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I didn’t say the protagonist is the stand in for the reader, I said the protagonist was the vessel of the themes of the story. I said that since twilight is written as a fantasy of someone receiving all thjs attention, through a character written as a redder surrogate (Bella). The reason why the two happen to coincidence here and is because dark romance, twilight and mangas of a similar nature (not all mangas, just those with similar themes) all happen to be about audiences experiencing these th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:40 PM
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Okay yeah, you don’t know what identification means here. From a writing standpoint point in particular - a protagonist is written as the vessel of the themes of the story, whether the author agrees with those themes or whether you’re meant to agree with them is irrelevant (cause this isn’t always the case). Twilight is written as a fantasy (to be clear fantasy as in the idealized imagination of the person, not the genre) of being someone receiving all this attention from this powerful being - e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:17 PM
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Right, so you took my framing of ‘you’re’ absolutely literally in good faith and have no clue what writing for reader identification is? Sorry for assuming you had a level of media literacy I guess I called your argument bad faith because I assumed you were intelligent enough to know what identifying with a narrative is, but if you simply don’t know what that is then sorry for assuming, your argument was in good faith. Now return to the point at hand cause now you’ve moved us to a tangent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:11 PM
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Damn here I was thinking you were actually coming at me with good faith. Obviously I’m not either of the characters, but in a story, in particular ones based around personal fantasy (like twilight), a huge part of the story is identifying with the protagonist. No, you’re not literally Bella, but you’re reading the story to experience these things through Bella, “you’re” is short hand for the role you play as the reader within the fantasy embodying the role of the protagonist. I’m just saying, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:06 PM
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Twilight is also relentlessly mocked and made fun of, and fast forward nearly a couple of decades it is enjoyed, but it isn’t taken seriously. Also, in the 2000s critiquing age gap relationships was considered to be a more niche thing, it has only been legit taken seriously the past decade plus I do think there is a world of difference between the story being from the pov of the younger person vs the older person. Like I wonder if stories about a younger man dating a thousands year old being has…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:01 PM
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It has to do with social narratives, power and positioning. To be clear, I don’t read dark romance nor am I even a fan (tbh I find myself at this place of indifference towards it) - as are many women (in fact most people critiquing it I’ve seen are women, where as frankly most men I’ve seen respond often don’t criticize the media or the cultural role it players, but rather they try to turn it into a mirror image of the real world - which I guess nearly goes into one of my points which I will get…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:45 PM
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I never made any of these assertions but if that’s how you wanna take it feel free I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:37 PM
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I’m into women too (actually I prefer women, but can date men), but with that correction aside - because I would want to enjoy spending time with and connecting with my partner????? What kind of question is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:42 PM
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And yet, there are bodies and penises (and vaginas) in abundance. Why would I settle for the bare minimum and a feature 50% of the population has? These are the least interesting parts about you tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:37 PM
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Right, it is a form of porn consumption. I’m not gonna argue that - but also to compare a written novel (even if erotica) to recorded video porn isn’t the same and you know it, tons of data exists on why that’s the case - do some research
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:35 PM
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In all technicality, yes - but isn’t a fantasy novel just text imagination in that case? Isn’t a comic book just words and drawings?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:30 PM
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In all fairness, passive people are kinda boring lol Like idk what you want, do nothing get nothing lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:28 PM
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In all fairness, this perception of women being passive receivers who do nothing isn’t really accurate. But also, literally being able to bond kinda really matters. If she isn’t trying to bond with you or be close to you to really could be as simple as she’s not into you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:25 PM
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Can’t bond with someone without there being a someone to bond with. Simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:21 PM
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It has to do with social narratives, power and positioning. To be clear, I don’t read dark romance nor am I even a fan (tbh I find myself at this place of indifference towards it) - as are many women (in fact most people critiquing it I’ve seen are women, where as frankly most men I’ve seen respond often don’t criticize the media or the cultural role it players, but rather they try to turn it into a mirror image of the real world - which I guess nearly goes into one of my points which I will get…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:20 PM
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Since I primarily date women I’ll interject. The same applied to the times that worked pre-transition too, but now it is amplified and more realized. I lean on my strengths, my off-beat humor, showing off my artistic side, being fashionable af and digging into abstract convos when each of us escalate a little bit more each time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:15 PM
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Yes, because I agree with you. I do believe that yea, men who act respectfully do in fact exist. This was primarily in context of me giving the previous commenter trauma that yes, I have in fact faced harassment - I didn’t have to include that another guy protected me, but I did
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:55 PM
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“I even had a dude protect me from another dude who was particularly touch…” I feel like this little bit addresses that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:44 PM
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We can go back and forth on this all we want, but fact is - for myself and many trans woman is - since transitioning, especially since occasionally passing at least, gay men stopped being attracted to us and straight men began being attracted to us soooooooooooooooiio And so what….. if I haven’t been sexually harassed since puberty I therefore cannot claim that I know what it’s like? Is all womanhood is to you the extent of your suffering? Are cis women who were not harassed as younger teens the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:42 PM
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And yet, I get cat called, inappropriately touched and hit on by men who are otherwise straight. I get inappropriate messages where I do post pictures of myself and I lost privileges like being able to walk alone at night or not relying on others for protection. I even had a dude protect me from another dude who was particularly touchy on the bus a week ago. Also it isn’t uncommon for straight men to be attracted to trans women cause well… we’re women, difference is the guys who creep on us are …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:29 PM
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Except people can change their mind - and it goes both ways. You can’t agree on how you might feel after, but what you can agree on is that’s how you both might be feeling now. Any person involved in this can realize this isn’t for them after, why is it wrong to change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:53 PM
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Oh hi TERF
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:52 PM
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Didn’t realize there was a contract for that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:46 PM

Tbh I just don’t see it as big a deal as you do. People fuck, and sometimes whether the fuck was what they were looking for decided the future of their interactions. I don’t see the issue with that tbh What contract? Nobody signed anything, sometimes people just don’t gel in certain ways and that’s fine. This goes for divorce too btw, with these legal processes an out of some kind should (and thankfully does) exist
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:22 PM
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I mean if you feel like you’re actively owed female attention and constantly want access to our bodies while actively comparing yourself to others who do, simultaneously acting like you’re morally superior (while ironically dismissing consent) I will then kind of have to assume you’re entitled cause this is entitled behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:33 AM

I don’t see it that way, sometimes when you see a side of a person you’re just not feeling it. Of course, you shouldn’t rush into things - but I do think it is worth separating between genuinely leading someone on and mistakenly rushing into something
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:00 AM

I think I was being very clear. An example of dangling a carrot is actively implying that you want more than sex but all you’re initially interested in is sex, many other things fall into this, but actively leading someone on, giving the implication of deeper intentions and so on are all some forms of dangling a carrot. Of course, you could say “well maybe he realized he wasn’t interested after”, if you said or did things that hinted at, implied at, or showed interest in a future - then communic…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:40 AM

If she has sex with you because you actively dangle a carrot for more, you’re giving the wrong impression. Or if you lie about yourself, you’re giving the wrong impression. Basically if you’re dishonest - especially when you know any details could change her answer - you’re giving the wrong impression
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:36 AM
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Some version of that existed for quite some time prior to gender equality in places like Iceland or Scandinavia - while no official unions exist, organizing does happen quite a bit That being said, I am not sure how I feel about actual unions - I don’t mind informal organizing but I also don’t like the idea of an outside body deciding how one raises their kids
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:34 AM

I mean…. A lack of communication and sudden ghosting is indeed being used, and being fed false information or being given a wrong impression so the man can have sex is called lying and could fall into coercion The rest of this is just mental gymnastic nonsense attempting to rationalize your own feelings, like no, not every woman thinks open communication is a backdoor entrance to a relationship and no, we aren’t “slutshaming ourselves” because open communication is expected even if I were to sle…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:32 AM
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Ok well I guess I’m toxic then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:57 PM
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In all fairness though, I really do dislike the reduction of fashion into some aimless vapid thing. Fashion is a ton of fun to talk about and explore, in particularly when you get into color theory, how different materials fit together, the history of fashion and then you get into the DIY side of things and that’s a whole other rabbit hole
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:44 PM
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Idk, does anyone think a conversation about how your favorite sports team lost cause it’s the refs fault as being deep?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:42 PM
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I think you’ve just been called on your shit and are trying to pivot. I talk to many of the women in my life (cis and trans, if that matters) about politics, sociology, philosophy, environmental stuff, exploratory ideas, digging deep into media analysis and so on. So many women are into that stuff. Outside of my best friend, the deepest convo I’ve had with a guy is “so like, did you know you can feel how other people feel?” So is any of this not ‘deep’ enough for you? If that’s the case, please …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:41 PM
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This really feels like an attempt to validate your own sense of maintaining a sense of superiority so you don’t confront your own flaws. I’ve had more engaging social, political and philosophical convos with women than I did with men, and generally speaking female friends have been a lot more helpful and supportive. Hell, even with my transition - guess which of the two genders had left me more because of it? Men, guess who I’ve had a harder time getting help and support from in general? Men. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:37 PM
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Like I said, stabilize the economy and solve the climate crisis then we’ll talk about having more babies Actually watch, solve these and I guarantee you people will have more babies by choice. We don’t need to go for routes that benefit men primarily at the cost of everyone else (yeah I know that’s the quiet part and yes, I am saying it out loud for you), and at the cost of the psychological well being of well… everyone who isn’t in a position of power of some kind. I come from the Middle East a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:25 PM
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LOL the victorians are responsible for so much psychological damage and created many of our unhealthy views on sex and gender. And the birth rate talk is more right wing panic than anything. Even in a society where gender identity is a full on choice most people will be straight and cis, as for having kids - maybe improve economic conditions, solve the climate crisis and ensure stability in the future then we’ll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:18 PM
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“Stop signs” like how? What are you trying to stop? Also you basically said “it is needed because it is needed” why is it needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:53 PM
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I don’t subscribe to scenario 2, so no, I wouldn’t. A big reason is largely because under a society of full customisation we’d have a class who can afford to make these changes and a class of blobs because they can’t afford the commodified physical changes this fluidity would bring
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:19 PM
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I guess cause they might’ve perceived you to come at it from a transphobic pov but I will say, your take is a lot more nuanced and I actually appreciate seeing it. I admit, I might’ve misjudged where you were coming from. There are all valid concerns, that being said, medicine is all about risks v benefits. So much of whether puberty blockers are driven by how bad one’s dysphoria gets and how debilitating the changes of puberty are to the person and how heavy the puberty is expected to be. The v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:38 PM
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This is happening way too often to where I feel a part of it is deliberate. Read OP’s post. He presented 2 separate scenarios on how the term ‘post gender’ is identified. He clearly states that they are different scenarios. How does the first scenario push this meaning? Or did you skim through and confidently type out a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:24 PM
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You mean the exact same made given to kids who experienced premature puberty for decades? What’s wrong with giving them time to figure it out before difficult to reverse changes start coming in? Even then, it is usually only done after a psychological evaluation and a history of at least social transition so what’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:22 PM
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If you both consider each other to be friends, then you’re friends
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:17 PM
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Exactly, hence why I’m saying “what we describe” - because these traits in themselves would still exist, but they wouldn’t be gendered nor would they be expected towards a specific gender. When I say terms like masculine and feminine with ‘what we describe’, I am basically saying ‘since we have ideas of what this is, it sends a clear image in your head of what I’m saying’ - just cause gender as a social construct no longer exists doesn’t mean that these traits don’t exist, because the traits the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:07 PM
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Except that’s not have it works. The two scenarios mentioned don’t run parallel, they’re different takes on the term and different extremes. I largely stick to the first scenario OP mentions because that’s how I view post gender as a concept applied to a realistic world (and tbh I prefer it), no enforcement of gender roles simply means you figure out what works for you and act on that. The behaviours, mannerisms and so on still exist, they’re simply not tied to gender as a social construct. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:34 PM
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“It’s uncomfortable being the odd one out” gee I wonder why lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:36 AM
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Okay, so total recall’s scene is less about the literal pill and more about it being a substance that returns you to reality. This isn’t unique to total recall as the concept has existed in sci fi for decades. The phrase “take the redpill” as quoted by the red pill as a movement, and the use of it as a strong thematic element is strongly tied to the matrix. We can dig into death of the author and the legitimacy of it if and all that, but fact is this was always the intention of the allegory, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:16 AM
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And yet, people live through roles they actively feel pressured to and aren’t happy in that role every day. The same series of roles that say men won’t be viewed the same way is the same series of roles that say women have to be homemakers (hence why the expectation is frowned upon amongst men. Men view this role as shameful and inferior), why women are expected to maintain unrealistic beauty standards, why men are discouraged from expressing themselves, and that’s why gender non conformity is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:10 AM
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Right…. So you DO support taking away the autonomy of others for your own benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:27 AM
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I do love the fact that you pivoted away from total recall into full on dejection when I called you on that. Like if all you have is “well thats not how I see it, how they view it is irrelevant” then it is clear you don’t actually wanna discuss it, you want to just win a debate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:19 AM
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You say that and yet actively talk about why enforcing roles is important. Which is it??
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:14 AM
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What can I say we’re a rowdy bunch
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:09 AM
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I mean we all reproduce. Also people won’t stop protecting and reproducing in a post gender society. It feels like you’re relying a lot on implicit biases to form a view you assume that we are both assuming is the default. People will reproduce because most people feel the drive to, people will protect because they care about one another. Why do you think forcing people out of their autonomy is needed to achieve this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:07 AM
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And yet, modern movements always refer to the matrix when talking about it (including the red pill) as in total recall, it is never referred to as the red pill, nor is it a focal plot point. The matrix is the first to use the actual term, and it is a focal plot point. Funny how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:06 AM
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Yeaaa exactly, that’s another one. Initially the term was relatively more endearing than it is now, but now it is borderline watchlist stuff lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:51 AM
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I mean if a man grows up to want to protect and defend then by all means, and the reason why is because you’re enforcing a role on someone that they might not have asked for or wanted. You’re forcing your view onto someone else. I also like that you frame it in a way that benefits you, at the cost of someone else’s autonomy…. Just thought I should bring that up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:49 AM
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OP mentioned a spectrum of definitions, the second paragraph explains a more extreme take of it first is a more moderate take. Look at the two as separate takes of the phrase, not as the same one. What’s so wrong with the first scenario OP mentions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:43 AM
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Oh hell yeah the OGs are growing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:41 AM
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Who’s playing word games? Its true. Men aren’t lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:40 AM
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So basically, the red pill came from the Matrix, which in itself is a trans allegory. Estrogen pills used to be red back when the movie was made, and the whole awareness plot of the movie was an allegory of how knowing you are trans is a reality you can’t ignore or deny. Conservatives and dudebros do what they do best and appropriate the language others use and twist them. The red pill is the biggest example of this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:39 AM
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So like, what other disorders do you not believe in?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:37 AM
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Luckily the second one is an extreme take of the term and just a take that falls into the far end of the post gender spectrum. And sure, most would fall into similar roles - though the point is even if most people choose it is they they choose it, right now many people fall into these roles out of reinforcement - not the majority, but a sizeable amount do struggle with these roles and the strict enforcement of these roles is how we get a lot of these inflammatory movements (ex. A lot of the mano…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:35 AM
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Then we’re all in agreement. Men aren’t lesbians. Who thinks men are lesbians?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:32 AM
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….. how so? 5 word answers don’t give me much of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:31 AM
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He offered 2 different scenarios as each is a possible interpretation of the second one. Like many things, the term sits on a spectrum, I would consider myself closer to the first definition as it doesn’t abolish gender, but it does abolish gender roles and with that the need to conform with them. Like if your personality happens to align with what we now consider to be feminine gender roles, and a man the same with what we used to consider masculine gender roles, the characters themselves don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:30 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:23 AM
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Good news, we all won’t be. “Post gender” doesn’t mean everyone is the same being, it means enforced roles from birth don’t exist. Why does that sound so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:19 AM
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Aaaaaah, so you don’t believe in gender as a concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:17 AM
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So if you’re the leader what does that makes me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:16 AM
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To be fair what a post gender society is isn’t that everyone is the same ‘agender blob’ (common transphobic strawman, for the record), the idea is gender roles wouldn’t be enforced and people did what felt right for them. This includes cis straight men and women, for the record. Like I’m glad lots of you hardly had to think about gender and all, but sadly the enforcement of your norms primarily make it a whole lot harder for a lot of people, including cis straight people who might not fully conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:16 AM
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I’d be open to it. Socially especially I am beginning to see more and more meaninglessness to the role enforcing gender plays, whether it be legally or socially. I truly believe that gendering, as far as socialization goes, does bring a larger harm as far as enforcement (and this applies to everyone. The whole pink = girl, blue = boy enforcement from birth is iffy) and imo we would be better off if everyone was given the space to figure out what gender means to them. Most will remain cis and str…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:08 AM
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Lemme guess, that’s why you aim for those with ‘teen’ still in their age (18, 19)?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:25 PM
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Entirely depends on the specific complaint and how its handled
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:36 PM
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Love that the mods’ concern is the whole debate flair and not you openly advocating for grooming
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:06 PM

Yeah almost as if 18 year olds being able to go to war is a part of the problem lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:00 PM

So maybe don’t aim for barely legal people? (Idk your gender or what you’re into). Lots of attractive people in that 24-28 range if you really want a younger partner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:47 PM

I mean now that I know OP is 33 this behavior is absolutely predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:46 PM

I’m pickier when it comes to men than women (I find many many more women attractive), but for men a Papa Emeritus-type is a great option for a hookup, and Matt Smith - Matt Smith types remind me that I’m sometimes into non-fictional men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM

Hookups: be very hot, have chemistry, be a good lover Relationship: chemistry, compatibility in values, interests, hobbies, be a great lover, and lifestyle. Also be hot. Relationship standards for looks are lower, but I expect a lot more. If we wanna get into specific values, what is hot, what lifestyle stuff and so on we could - but I figured the difference is the point of the post
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:41 PM
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Welp I know what I’m watching when I’m home tonight
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:57 AM
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The confusion is half the fun imo
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:56 AM
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I mean to actively have your eyes on someone pressingly is a choice, it isn’t just ‘moving your eyes’
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:55 AM
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Sure, to look or even glance is entirely fine or normal. Staring is different though. Staring involves active choice
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:54 AM
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Something along the lines of “in the 50s they would’ve put (something, I forget what) up your ass for being trans”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:23 PM
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Right, so in this hypothetical you’re so unaware of your surroundings that you suddenly are just on front of one? Now you’re deliberately changing things to try to hammer things in. Frankly if you’re in the woods and you’re so unaware of your own surroundings that you suddenly notice a bear 2 feet facing you, that’s really an issue on your end to put it frankly. LOL how so? And no, I’m not really blaming anyone. When it comes to animal attacks there is really nobody to truly blame. However, with…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:27 PM
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LOL I hike and camp quite a bit, even done my share of crown lands camping (basically deep in Canadian woods), wild animals are absolutely predictable if you keep a healthy distance, and with bears especially you’re not seeing one for the first time right on front of you, you can usually see em ahead of you And I have good news for you: bears rarely do, and often when they do attack it is because they feel threatened or provoked. And sure, most times the guy does - but in public streets some ran…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:15 PM
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Sure bud, whatever you say ;) Reddit deleting your last comment is kind of saving your ass
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:03 PM
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LOL wtf is your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:01 PM
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Oh I absolutely know what it means and I fully invite that kind of attention. I find it funny tbh - also when people ask they learn something new And you’re not being treated like a savage for being a man, that’s literally the point the man v bear comparison isn’t to say “men are lesser than bears and they are animalistic and subhuman” it is to say that encountering a random bear in the woods will lead to a more predictable outcome than encountering a man in the woods. A bear will give you warni…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:59 PM
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I’m not gonna comment on the Native American comparison as it isn’t my place to, but I will say that my experience as a middle easterners worse than my experience as a man. I was more dehumanized for being middle eastern than having been male, and I was very masc presenting. When I began taking estrogen (the pills are blue now, but they used to be red) - the Matrix is a trans allegory (Wichowskis confirmed it) and estrogen pills used to be red, ‘taking the red pill’ was about seeing yourself who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:54 PM
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Way to deflect
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:50 PM

If you’re an older person going to a space full of younger people you often stand out in a bad way. The vibe is very “what’s unc doing here” and sure, you might succeed with one woman who’s friends are begging her not to go with you, but it really isn’t a thing an older person should do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:37 PM
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You say that and yet Billie Eilish got a lot of shit from her (majority female) fans for having dating a notably older guy a couple years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:35 PM
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Luckily that’s not what the man v bear debate means lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:29 PM
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I think the real conclusion is this: slut shame no one and respect someone else’s personal space (including them not feeling like they’re being stared at)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:46 PM
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Actually…. you are right. I think these instances are usually isolated cases and are not all that common. I’ve been to many gyms in my life, including a lifting gym that does allow people to film and I’ve hardly seen an instance of staring being an issue that was escalated. Its happened, I’ve even been stared at and I don’t dress revealingly (I’m sure many women will say the same) and it IS frustrating, but often the person staring kinda stops when you ignore them. The whole gymfluencers v creep…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:44 PM
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Look up ‘consent’
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:40 PM
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Can you buy me some pls?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:43 AM

I do find a lot of these ‘women are the least happy they’ve been in the modern day’ studies to be kinda iffy because prior data is skewed primarily by social expectations, some level of a larger societal agenda and so on. It’s hard to actively report that you’re unhappy when you’re taught to think that a restrictive life was your only option. I mean…. I’m sure the housewives downing themselves in pills in the 50s and 60s, and then actively distracting themselves with stuff like MLM schemes in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:42 AM

Tbh I think the real headline here is outright admitting that the only value you see in a woman is cooking, cleaning, childcare and sex. You done said the quiet part out loud
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:39 AM
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Oh I know, wasn’t saying you were. Was just saying awareness and a readiness to fight back are important rn
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:14 AM
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You’re trans. I suggest keeping up to date with the current administration cause they’re a serious threat
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:10 AM
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It isn’t ‘few delusional incels’ though. This is happening in mainstream platforms. Ffs look at who runs the US
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:06 AM
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Wait, so you’re threatening me with climate change?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:03 AM
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Funny thing is ‘cancelled’ celebs basically broke more popular than ever. It become frowned upon for a short period but prior to that? The 90s and early/mid 2000s were full of misogyny just being normalized. I l also think there is something to be said about scope. You’re talking about women saying mean things, I’m talking about men casually discussing reducing rights and justifying it via women saying mean things. Do you see where the disconnect is?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:00 AM
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Fair enough, I did say that. In which case I shouldn’t be as careless with my words. I hold myself to a higher standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:57 PM
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So you’re not threatening me, you’re saying other men are threatening me?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:54 PM
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I said I was willing to excuse it, not that I tell it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:53 PM
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“People like you” wtf does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:51 PM
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Soooo ummmm, is it a threat?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:51 PM
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Right, and women have actively ragged on by men for decades as well. Women push back a little bit and suddenly it is a “trend for decades” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:50 PM
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Ooooooo is that a threat? What will the big scary men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:44 PM
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“Huge trend for decades” explain how lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:41 PM
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Mostly to make one’s self look more competent and to defer blame. Which yes, is a sign of an issue - but then again so is actively being late even if you’re honest about it. Again, both end in the same place
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:35 PM
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Aaaaaah, so the typical talking points. Literally none of this is misandry. The man v bear analogy is one ya’ll keep actively wilfully misinterpreting, the dating app stuff hold very little bearing in real life, the constantly dunking on short guys is more meme than reality. Keep trying bud
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:33 PM
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Idk, I’d imagine a truth that might hurt someone’s feelings is always at some level serious cause you’d be communicating to me that you’re willing to be honest with me out of fear of how I might react. I don’t respect that. It really depends on how often the person is late. If a person is late 5 times cause they say they’re in traffic or if they’re honest that they just got out, they’re still late 5 times. Like the end result is all the same and ultimately the conclusion still is “Welp, plan bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:04 PM

Whoop got one already, the flair is working
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:56 PM
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I mean white lies are ultimately harmless. Also, lying to protect someone from being hurt could potentially be a huge, perspective shifting lie depending on what it is. Idk, I just don’t see technicalities like ‘in traffic’ vs ‘just got out of the house’ to really mean anything. Like they’re gonna be a bit late, big whoop. Obviously if they are frequently late it becomes an issue, but then the issue becomes the lateness, not the white lie. Ultimately, a white lie is meant to be a harmless way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:55 PM
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I mean…. If it makes you feel better about yourself I guess? There is nothing wrong with high standards, and if you’re not getting anything out of them and you’re okay with that then who cares? This really sound like a philosophical re-writing of “why do I have to try? Just date me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:52 PM

Yesaaa it is unfortunate. It isn’t uncommon for right wing movements in general to take bits of an idea and repackage it while entirely missing its actual meaning. Media illiteracy + arrogance are a deadly combo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:50 PM

You just gave me a really good idea and tbh feasting on this miscommunication is the exact kind of comedy gold I will thrive on. Fuck it, I’m reclaiming the the term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:41 PM
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What misandry? Whenever I see a dude talking about it they often reference MeToo (which was absolutely necessary)and twitter threads. Also, RP creators and manosphere creators continually get the most online traction, discussing restricting women’s rights is a normal topic to respond to now and there was quite a strong conservative wave where a very openly misogynistic rapist was elected president soooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:40 PM

Shhhhhhhhhh don’t be a narc I also might agree with the overall core of it, but I do differ in that emotionally I don’t feel the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:31 PM
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It’s complicated and it is worth asking compared to when. If it is compared to 50-60 years ago? Men are absolutely better. If we are talking compared to 10 years ago? They’re worse The good men are better than ever, but the bad men are regressing into “should women be allowed to vote” territory proudly and openly. Misogyny was at least frowned upon publicly 10 years ago, and now we have the same kind of misogyny be fully mainstream so I mean…. It’s a mixed bag
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:31 PM

This might be me, but I genuinely don’t feel any sympathy - and I’ve seen both sides of this. He decided to interpret friendship as feelings, he decided to try to win you over with favors, he’s the one who actively invested non stop without a second thought and he’s the one who decided to turn your rejection into a dramatic commentary on his self worth. It kinda makes me annoyed tbh, cause you did all this stuff nobody asked you to, and made it a personal crisis when you didn’t get what you want…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:27 PM
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….. why is it not a white lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:22 PM
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I mean from any potential partner the moment I have lies I deem ‘acceptable’ for either of us to make the relationship is over. Outside of occasional little white lies (ie. “I’m in traffic” when you just got out of the house), literally nothing is acceptable - and yes I hold myself to that same standard
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:29 PM
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You know that’s not what I mean. Dont be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:36 PM
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I’m sorry. I’ll contact the council of women so we can get the hive mind to begin shaming this behavior, I’m sorry our collective opinion isn’t strong enough to sway you, and I will have the council look into this henceforth so the hazing ceremony may begin
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:20 PM
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Ngl I’m kinda disappointed, for a second there I assumed your concerns were consent based, instead I get the typical low self esteem stuff presented as fact All I have to say to you is that you’re wrong, and people/feelings are more complex than you give them credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:06 PM
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You said if you want no to mean no, we should call out each other more. Many women already do call others out over mixed signals. How much is enough of an effort to satisfy things in accordance to your standards? Also, you don’t know my view. You’re assuming it. I made a comment making my view clear. I won’t repeat it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:49 PM
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I mean…. Many women already do call out the ones who say “keep trying”, not sure what else you want lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:44 PM
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Why do you think it doesn’t change over time? Why don’t you think it’s okay? And how is this even an oxymoron? You’re giving me very short responses with little to no substance
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:39 PM
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To be clear, when I say “sometimes it takes time” what I mean is, sometimes interest builds over time and it’s okay to try again weeks or months later if you feel circumstances have changed. Of course though, take the first rejection as a sign to move on but also, sometimes things build quietly after that is all I’m saying I am not advocating for investing time into asking people out periodically
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:21 PM
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Omfg, “hey, this feels kinda really awful and makes many women uncomfortable”, “….. but it works?”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:54 AM
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Jesus, and ya’ll pretend there is no such as a rape culture lolololololol Joking aside though, sometimes it takes time (and that’s entirely fine. Sometimes people just take time to develop feelings), other times (tbh probably more often than not) “wear her down” is a normalized strategy that so many guys employ. The issue with the whole ‘wear her down’ approach is that it is full on coercion, at one point she finally gives in even if she doesn’t fully feel right,but it kinda creates an almost tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:52 AM
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I think intent matters most. When done as an attempt of generating reflection, it can be helpful if handled right, if it is done to taunt or shame (which is often when it is said) then it becomes an issue. Like what do you aim to achieve by saying this? How is this info helpful? Is it just one’s attempt at a ‘told you so’ - these are the questions you should be asking
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:51 PM
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Hey man, at least you’re admitting you wanna date someone who’ll replace your mom
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:59 PM
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It is hypocrisy though? Like why should someone actively wanting to be trad be an issue if they aren’t imposing it on others? Like if you believe people should date how they want, and how you want so happens to be more traditional, why is this hypocritical?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:57 PM

How am I refusing? You asked a question and I answered it. All you’ve done was ask questions and then now apparently flip out over my answers instead of explaining why you think I’m wrong or what you think I’m missing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:33 AM

The short answer is people shouldn’t have to change their relationship preferences to fit your worldview. There are plenty of women who outright reject traditional structures, date them Like let’s put it this way - someone desiring traditional dynamics who don’t bring an overall societal harm, and who aren’t actively harming others aren’t really doing anything wrong. Inconveniencing others because their right to their own bodily autonomy (ie. selecting the person who will literally have access t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:12 AM

I guess my question is why do you want certain things to be removed? Cause as far as dating dynamics in itself, I don’t see how no longer being attracted to the opposite in yourself (for example) is something that needs to be changed. The reason why maybe reexamining is necessary is to ensure how much of it is real vs how much of it is a result of social reinforcement, but if the conclusion you come to is “nah, this is right for me, I’m glad others are able to do their thing too” then I don’t se…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:53 AM
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OP can openly downplay rape, treat it as a natural consequence and say some genuinely insulting stuff but somehow if I say what I’m really thinking about this post the mods would ban for me it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:42 AM
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So to be very very clear - cause I don’t wanna jump to conclusions with this topic - you believe that gang rape to be a direct consequence of women being seen as resources less and less? Cause that’s what it sounds like you’re implying
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:40 AM

Its all about choice. If that’s the dynamic someone wants and they aren’t pushing against anyone else’s rights to live through whatever gender dynamics they want, then by all means. If most people choose to live within trad gender norms while also supporting those who live outside of these norms to live their lives, then congrats, that’s one progressive stance out if a possible many you can hold
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:30 AM

Its all about choice. If that’s the dynamic someone wants and they aren’t pushing against anyone else’s rights to live through whatever gender dynamics they want, then by all means. If most people choose to live within trad gender norms while also supporting those who live outside of these norms to live their lives, then congrats, that’s one progressive stance out if a possible many you can hold
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:30 AM

Oh look, another episode dude fully misunderstands “progressive” and thinks it just means opposite of tradition. Yay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:25 AM
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Not really , I get a ton of male chasers, not very many female chasers
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:05 AM
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Luckily children rarely do. In the vast majority of cases children wound socially transition and if that’s successful, puberty blockers (which have been used on cis children with endocrine disorders for decades - and for the record puberty blockers are reversible as they basically put puberty on pause, now, whether that’s indefinite is unlikely, but the point is to buy time) would be put in the picture. For full blown HRT usually 16 would be the age to start IF there is a strong enough paper tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:12 AM
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Outside of actively observing people and behavior over a period of time across various settings, self reporting is really our best bet for now
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:02 AM
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The rate of detrnasirioners is very very low, and sometimes people make decisions and realize it isn’t for them. It is an unfortunate reality. To add to this, a fairly high concentration of detransitioners end up doing so due to societal pressure and end up transitioning again later. And it isn’t treated as a mental illness because the data overwhelmingly suggests that getting on the right hormones is the literal cure here? Event even, the nuance of gender dysphoria is complicated. There are cog…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:01 AM
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I can attest to the whole complicated nature of it. I went from bi man to thinking I was a straight girl (that was a weird month), then bi girl and while I still am somewhere on that spectrum I legit won’t be surprised if I go full lesbian soon lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:56 AM
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Right, hence why I’m saying speed dating as a measure of attraction is iffy. Its a measure of first impressions under some pressure, but that’s it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:54 AM
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A men dressing up as a woman is called a crossdresser or a femboy, being transgender is the result of endocrine misalignment manifested through gender dysphoria. Trans people take hormones to develop the secondary sex characters of the gender they’re transitioning to (or wishes to but can’t for *inset reason here*), cross dressers ‘dress up’ - hope that clarifies the difference And I mean, most of the world agrees on a lot of objectify abhorrent shit so that’s not much of a strong point
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:49 AM
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I mean credit where it’s due, I’ve seen mental gymnastics to justify transphobia before, but never like this. Well done
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:43 AM
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No…. Because I am a woman who prefers women? Are lesbians and bi women ‘biologically male’? Even then, is sexuality then inherent to gender? Does this mean men who like men are biologically female?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:38 AM
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Very rarely. I am very occasionally into men and even then, they need to have a larger than life quality about them. Like there was one dude who worked at a dispensary who had this jacked hippie vibe to him and ngl, he really caught my attention, but that was 3 weeks ago Though while I do feel attraction towards men, I do prefer women rather strongly, so take with that as you may
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:22 AM
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Not exactly, cause attraction is multi dimensional. Like if someone becomes attracted to someone immediately, within hours, weeks, months, etc - it still is attraction. Like I guess if you really wanted to specifically measure the role looks play when one is on the spot then I guess that’s something, but it isn’t really ‘measuring attraction’
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:20 AM
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In all fairness that applies to everyone, and speed dating doesn’t exactly provide the best pool of samples. I think to do speed dating you have to be of a very specific mentality, especially considering that it was never one of the more popular ways people dated
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:02 AM
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No, it isn’t that liberal men are especially struggling. It’s that you’re coming from a lens of entitlement because you frame yourself as a smart liberal. Sure, you have a lot of sentiments that say you aren’t but your final conclusion and your whole “that’s why men like me who are what liberal women want on paper struggle, I am intelligent and liberal. This means women don’t want liberal intelligent men” really reads like entitlement. Like to put it bluntly, this reads like the exact thing I’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:00 AM
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I’m pretty sure tons of self-reporting surveys exist already. However, I often notice self reported data also isn’t exactly believed. To put it bluntly I dont think you’re asking “why does this data not exist?” Cause tons already does. You’re asking “why doesn’t the data that shows the conclusions I want exist?”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:59 PM
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You literally said “kissing someone has never been considered rape at any time or place” and sure, a stolen unwanted kiss isn’t that, but forcing yourself down on someone, and kissing them while they refuse? That’s rape buddy, and if you wanna see it via penetration, many institutes, including multiple European governments and academic settings count oral penetration as well as genital based penetration. Do you think I am referring to actively pecking someone violently? (Although I’d argue this …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:26 PM
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So what? The law holds any and all legitimacy over what definitions we can use? I hope you apply that standard everywhere cause something tells me you don’t. “Forced fondling and kissing” means the kissing is forced too. Should I have said “forced fondling and forced kissing” to make it clearer? And I haven’t changed any of my arguments. I’ve been consistent throughout this thread and through previous threads. Point to where I changed my arguments or I am to assume you’re confusing me for someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:10 PM
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You mean the definition used in 2013 that’s been heavily contested since then? The problem with this definition is that it actually reduces the number of rape victims, not increases them. This definition has been heavily contested by academics throughout, but now especially. Nice try though. And I ever said kissing someone is rape, but the forcible action of forcing yourself onto someone, no matter the sexual action (which includes kissing) falls into the larger umbrella of rape. You’ve spent yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:56 PM
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Ummmm because rape isn’t defined by nonconsentual penetration. Forced oral sex is still rape, forced fondling and kissing is still rape. Idk where you got that from lol And I’m not where you got the 97% of rapists are men part, I never made that claim
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:47 PM
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That’s because I’m not excusing women using nuance as a cop out. What I am saying is the numbers given aren’t adjusted for statistical realities. Men stay with children and are in close approximation to children far less and men are far less likely to be actively involved with the child. This isn’t to excuse the behavior of these abusive women, this is to say that the male side of this data doesn’t have enough data to draw any definitive conclusions about comparison, especially when men heavily …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:36 PM
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……. No, it’s that single parents who live in poverty often have to work multiple full time jobs to accommodate for the child as they do not have the qualifications to make anything past low wages
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:01 PM
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Depends, does he have a trusted track record with ‘taking it out in 5 hours’? Cause far more often than not 5 hours later he says ‘sorry I forgot’
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:45 PM
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Bet, men choose to do nothing about improving their situation, men choose to emotionally close themselves off, men choose to police one another over medial shit, men choose not to do anything to make them more desirable. If that’s all agency is and this is the only time we talk about agency, let’s see receipts. (Note: I think things are far more nuanced for everyone, including men. I’m just expanding on OP’s logical standpoint)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:44 PM
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Okay, because single parent households are more likely to be involved with parents who were in a cycle of abuse themselves, single parent households are more likely to be in poverty which means underfunded neighborhoods, worse education, less community support, less public support (I’m just saying recreational activities, civic services, community services, education funding and so on aren’t going to poorer neighbourhoods), poverty means the mom has to work multiple jobs (ie. neglect and stress)…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:41 AM
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Oh boy…. There is a ton wrong here. For one thing this is a blog post with a heavy bias that heavily ignores context such as socioeconomic class, the rate of which men abandon women with kids, and the fact that we are ignoring factors like working multiple jobs, mental illness, access to resources, etc I also never said “women have more children”, I said women are around children more. Not only do more women stay at home with the child, but exponentially more women work in fields that directly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:18 AM
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Women are also around children at exponentially higher rates, just sayin
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:09 AM
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Since I’ve transitioned I’ve been cat called, stared at, and touched on my back/shoulder by men. I’ve also had my boundaries disrespected online and offline too. Now I have to be careful walking alone at night, I need to have a friend around in less than ideal parts of town, my friends and I check in on each other once we’re home. Even prior to transitioning, I was SA’d by a man and I had closed my dating apps to men cause I’ve often found men to be too pushy Of course - this doesn’t apply to ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:08 AM
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I am debating you. I am saying you are wrong and explained why I think you’re wrong. This isn’t an attack, this is me saying the views you say closely mirror old sexist stereotypes and manosphere podcasts, all of which are just flat out wrong. I didn’t insult you or attack you, I am calling you wrong. This isn’t an attack But enough of that, notice how you moved a topic away from defending your views to running on accusations. Methinks I hit a very specific nerve
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:13 PM
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I know many people in happy relationships, and I tend to keep a social circle with only people I respect (even pre transition) - but, the experiences of so many women, either close to me or not, as well as what the literal data tells us is a lot of what i say is accurate Sorry you live in a coddled fantasy land
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:09 PM
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I mean it is more substance than outright saying your opinions are just outright wrong and ending it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:08 PM
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Do you date men? Or are you close to a large number of people to do? Do you look up any data on what countless women are saying about dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:01 PM
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It sounds like your idea of what a woman is is a construct built from the collective gaslighting of podcast bros. You’re either meeting shitty women (which yeah, there are shitty women too - in which case pick better women), or you haven’t interacted with enough women and are relying on old sexist stereotypes to build your worldview for you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:59 PM
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I find this whole thing funny. Like the men accusing western women of being soulless gold diggers turn around and go aboard to find someone who’s actually digging for their resources. Tbh eventual divorce post-Green card is earned
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:56 PM
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In South Korea in particular the reason why the focus is on love and romance is cause they hold very patriarchal social structures, and denying men both these things is also denying the infrastructure of their current system
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:42 PM
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Good thing 4B isn’t WGTOW, it is the deliberate and vocal denial of playing into what men want for the sake of political pushback. 4B was never about women turning to their own direction, it is about using denial as political leverage
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:15 PM
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Pretty much all of these too lmfao You do know that algorithms are tailored to keep you in your own bubble…. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:28 AM
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At this point we’re dissolving into he said she said. Wanna support your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:52 AM
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“In a balanced relationship not full of unusual traits, the man contributes strength and leadership, and the woman contributes the glue that makes the man interested in her.” You’ve literally described courting as seen in the 1950s lol This is not seduction, this is courting in accordance to traditional gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:44 AM
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Aaaah, so basically your definition of seduction is…. Sticking to vaguely described gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 AM
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You didn’t exactly give a clear definition. In your post you describe what’s basically the traditional courting process, not seduction. So I mean, give me a clear definition then we’ll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:35 AM
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Last I checked the term nice guy is actively ridiculed, and if you unironically use the term friend zone now people will assume you lean incel…. Seems like most are snickering behind your back bud
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:30 AM
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“Leading in an unspoken agreement” is literally seduction. Flirting, raising the temperature of the room a little bit, teasing, light touching, and so on are all forms of seduction
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:29 AM
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The incel movement has always been defined by bitterness, nice guy became what it did because of the - at the his point - multi decade old monicker of “nice guys finish last” woe is me talk and idgaf about how you personally define the friendzone, because it doesn’t fit the behaviors and words of those who almost consistently use it as well as how people who used it as a self descriptor behaved for over a decade. If you’re still using the term friendzone lightly, that’s something you gotta work …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:27 AM
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You can’t control how you feel in the moment, and yes, being disappointed that someone doesn’t share feelings and only wants to be friends is 100% valid. I never said it isn’t. That being said, you can control whether you move on, and the friendzone is the internalization of your own perception of what you think are your failures The issue is when you escalate it into this whole friendzone thought processes like God or the universe or whatever is punishing you for not hitting the right combo (an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:01 AM
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I mean…. If you don’t express interest she won’t think you’re interest. Like idk what else to tell you? This isn’t “pressing inputs”, this is acting in accordance to how you feel and seeing how the person reacts. Do you want her to sit and wait for you to be ready to make a move?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:23 PM
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Idk if middle aged is the right word for it, but seduction in itself is a skill, yes. Best get start practicing rather than going “men aren’t supposed to be this way” if you have any interest in being seductive. If you don’t, cool - that’s your personal interest but it isn’t “men aren’t supposed to be seductive”, that’s a you thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:17 PM
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“Men aren’t supposed to be seductive” Oh I guess that’s why I don’t date men Joking aside though, men absolutely can be seductive. When I am attracted to a man (as occasionally rare as it is *cough* Papa Emeritus III, IV and Papa V Purpetua *cough*), it almost always is because he has a seductive quality to him - and often you’ll find that’s kinda what turns a lot of women on too, men are very much capable of being playful, seductive, flirty, teasing, etc Also the whole thought process of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:12 PM
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Okay, obviously there are indicators of attraction and things that can entice these feelings more (I apologize, forgot I had to be hyper literal here), though many friend zone narratives involve it being a place you get into as a result of your behavior. Ie. You hit the wrong inputs - in other words, it no longer is about modes of attraction, it is about hitting the right button combo. And it doesn’t exist because it is entirely a self inflicted form of self pity. Being friendzoned only literall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:01 PM
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“It can be a let down” is an awfully charitable term for the online rabbit holes dudes go into and tantrums men have over not getting the girl. And yeah, one can’t merely exist and get laid. No shit. Nobody thinks you can just exist and get laid however there is a world of difference between attraction, compatibility (even if just short term sexual compatibility), closeness and the narrative a lot of dudes like to build. That you get into the friendzone because you didn’t press the right buttons…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:56 PM
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When people say “there is no such thing as the friendzone” we are not saying that it is a phrase without a definition. We know it exists as a slang term, we know lots of people use it - but conceptually, it is entirely based on the perception of being friends with someone as something done or you, as a demotion of some kind when it isn’t. For one thing because it assumes that attraction is built around pressing the right buttons and you just hit the wrong input (ie. Robs the other person of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:20 PM
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That’s just teenage girls, soon as she’s an adult suddenly who she’s attracted to becomes everyone’s business
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:09 PM
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No, men get friendzoned more because they assume every time a woman a nice to them that means there is an opportunity for sex. In truth you didn’t ruin anything, you’re just not what she’s looking for. There is no such thing as the friendzone, it is an entirely made up thing to make one feel in control of the fact that someone simply isn’t into them but likes their company
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:08 PM
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For one thing stop trying to rush into it, grow your social circle, meet people, see who you actually click with and if you feel a spark, escalate and flirt. Like come on lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:04 PM
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Right, but you’re still advocating for covertly making the focus of your presence in a social event of some kind based around your dating prospects. Like we aren’t talking about singles events, clubs or whatever - you’re talking about using settings people primarily use to do an activity they enjoy or make friends as your little secret dating pool. That’s recipe for disappointment cause while people can and do get into relationships through these, it is often through sustained interest via a sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:19 PM
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That’s not a strawman - and the entire point of your post is asking why men are discouraged for going to all kinds of organized social stuff to find dates, and then proceed to advise men to hide their intentions when in these places. Sure sounds like you’re advocating for finding dates as a primary objective
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:02 PM
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Then keep doing what you’re doing and stay in this loop of disappointment. It is obvious that hyperfocusing on finding dates as a primary objective is very limiting and makes you lose out on all kinds of connection and community you can have, and yet many men still continue to insist that this is the best path despite also constantly yammering on and on about being lonely. By all means, if you think you’re right in doing all this stuff for the sake of a date, do it - but also the fact you’re stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:59 PM
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Quite the contrary. Have higher standard, please. Have some dignity and ffs sake stop creeping over women (including when you don’t know anything about them) - I’m sure this made some women more self centered, but more women than not are annoyed by this lack of standards cause then it communicates “oh? You’re into me cuz vagina therefore I am replaceable”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:51 PM
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And lemme guess, women doing the cooking js our own faults cause we understand food better and men don’t get food?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:49 PM
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Yeah that’s a trend I’ve noticed as well. From what I’ve seen tend to be less secretive about their ‘online life’ and tend to have similar outlooks both ways. Like a shitty TERF online is likely that way offline too, a full blown misandrist online likely says the same stuff offline too. With men I often find an active effort to hide views and perceptions, like it isn’t uncommon for a dude to pretend he isn’t a conservative at first, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:03 AM
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Really sounds like there is a lot you have to unpack with that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:59 AM
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It’s less ‘resilient and self-reliant’ and more ‘emotionally in touch and searches for more fulfillment’ - statistically more women are likely to be involved in the community, make friends, volunteer in community driven stuff, seek help and so on. Of course there is nuance to this - the community around men genuinely sucks, and imo a large part of that is generally speaking, men either wait for women to solve their problems or dig deeper into the problem. A lot of this stems from taught gender r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:58 AM
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I said “mutual attraction, respect, fun and joy”, you narrowed it down to looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:11 PM
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Is it just me? More and more women seem to be holding this mentality
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:49 PM
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I’m 31, will be 32 in less than 4 months And tbh - at least to myself, if there isn’t mutual attraction, respect, fun and joy, I’d rather stay single
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:40 AM
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Does this show that dating in itself is hard for men? Or that dating apps themselves are flawed? Idk, one would think the issue is these apps run by profit driven companies whose profit driven motive id to keep you on the app as much as possible And that’s funny, based on my experience most people figure it out at one point and the only ones who don’t are those who make yammering on about how hard it is to date
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:25 PM
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So would you be okay with your wife being a completely unattractive person as long as she ‘loves you for you’?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:19 PM
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“If women keep sleeping with hot dudes?” So like… if you’re sleeping with hot people and your standards are ‘hot person’, then where are these standards unrealistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:31 PM
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I…. Don’t see why ‘selling your body’ is inherently unethical. Are you not doing that with every job you’re doing? Or is it the sex part that makes it unethical? Cause if it is, then why is sex inherently unethical? As for Bonnie Blue, the problem with her is the coercion, the grooming, and the sex work as jackass schtick she has going on. She is intentionally inflammatory And do you have any notion of what gets people into sex work? More often than not, people enter from a place of desperation.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:30 PM
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From my experience more men than I would like have tended to ignore boundaries as far as touching and basic requests, they take many leaps on what an interaction is, they tend to be emotionally avoidant, unwilling to listen, have an active streak of comparing genuine systemic issues to dating problems, have actively voted against the interest of others, have a tendency to try to big dick one another, refuse to take constructive feedback and so on and so on Of course, the degree of each varies an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:20 AM
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It isn’t even a ‘bad trend’ that’s how it always was. I mean, in the past people dated/married for things like deals, security, maintaining norms, politics, etc - and people fell in love for various traits. Some like bad people, some are amoral, others are good. Idk, dating in itself has always been amoral because humans are not inherently moral. Of course, if you’re a moral person you’re likely to seek a moral partner, but if you’re primarily driven by the self (which most people have been hist…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:24 PM
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So being good to you means not selecting a shitty partner? Is the bar for ‘good’ really this arbitrary for you? Also, more women are stepping away from men largely because of the experiences we had with bad partners and bad men, so idk if all your “wahmen lack self awareness and don’t question yourself” talk even holds
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:16 PM
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For starters, because doing the right thing should be its own good reward. If you need affirmation from the opposite gender to not be a pos, to put it bluntly, just be a pos and save us all the trouble and whining. If all you’re motivated by is sex, then be true to yourself and stop trying to justify “but why” cause at least if you’re openly a bad person, myself and many, many, many others will have an easier time not associating with you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:13 PM

This started off somewhere interesting but went off the rails real quick (though my initial critique is none of what you describe mimics ‘nice’) 1) women fake their orgasm usually to protect a man’s ego 2) wtf does this have to do with oppression? 3) dead bedrooms usually happen because the relationship goes stale, not because women who fake couldn’t fake any longer Anyway, imo this post is a poor attempt at connecting multiple unrelated things and somehow both trying to disprove a victim narrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM

Calling it a conspiracy is giving it too much credit…. It’s more a circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:17 PM
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I mean, we are against both - but one is currently a larger, more pressing and more prevalent issue. Last I checked misandry isn’t currently translating to policy or political decisions And the easy answer for this is a lot of major ban decisions and what gets to stay is often algorithmically decided by buzzwords and is hardly reviewed in depth. I think this relates a lot more to how we rely on buzzwords first, context second
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:38 AM
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Because it isn’t resulting in direct violence, policy or political discourse that is currently relevant? Misogyny is a problem we have here and now, and an issue that is actively pushing back and harder. When a rapist can be the president, ‘return to traditionalism’ (ie. Bring back women as second class citizens) is normalized and and when men actively act entitled to women’s attention or bodies, yes, misogyny is indeed the larger priority. And I bring it up to a guy who’s bringing up subreddits…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:14 AM
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Well… no, because misandry is indeed a problem - but it isn’t as immediate an issue as it isnt as prevalent as misogyny and it is far less likely to result in violence. It’s less about excusing misandry and more about prioritizing misogyny because misogyny is the larger, more pressing issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:07 AM
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How tf did you get that out of what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:46 AM
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….. what about the women in countries you wish to go to? Or the men in these countries as well? You say this all in a way that frames people across developed countries as beneficiaries but you never bring up or touch on the actual concern we have: that you’re exploiting these women. Then why has been explained so many times in and out of this thread, but the point I want to add still remains: in this argument foreign women are a resource, and foreign men are an afterthought
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:43 PM
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Doesn’t change my view at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:51 PM
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Omfg when I say “validate the study” I don’t mean “let me see if the study is valid” I mean “the response you have given me has shown me why the results of the study are the way they are” Validate in this context is about validating what is being said in the study, this isn’t me asking to read the study
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:45 PM
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I’m not clear on why you want me to read the article?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:41 PM
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I didn’t say that but if you wanna put these words in my mouth by all means, validate that study
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:34 PM
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Get your shit together, men. Been living as a woman for a few months now and yeah, its hard not to dislike men tbh - if not for the few good men in my life I def would have a less favourable view
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:31 PM
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So like….. have you gotten picked yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 PM
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What is this Hunter gatherer LARP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:27 PM
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I didn’t say it was fake news. I said it was an old study that’s since then been debunked as multiple sources nowadays say otherwise. As for your second article, wasn’t calling it fake, I was calling your interpretation of it wrong Again. Keep trying. “I posted a link” is not a replacement for actual discourse, especially when you don’t even use it correctly nor do you use it how one uses a study for a debate. In fact, a quick google search gave me this, which has many many sources soooooooooooo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:20 PM
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So I take it you’re done trying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:12 PM
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The first was a study done in 2000 that’s - at this point - been debunked a billion times, and the second one argues that women are just as prone to be aggressive. It argues that we have the same capacity to be aggressive, NOT that we currently are. The study also makes it clear that this is not about physical aggression. Keep trying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:10 PM
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And yet, twice as many women get drugged by men I don’t mean to compare, but nobody is denying that misandry exists, and nobody denies that women are capable of inflicting violence towards men, but if the context of the convo is comparison (which this very much is - and that’s kinda the issue, men’s issues are only ever brought up to ‘compete’ with woemn…. Ironically by other men), I’ll bring up the difference I also don’t think you’re bringing these up to genuinely draw attention that men suffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:05 PM
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And while we’re at it let’s not forget which figures have the largest following online and which co the two translate to actual irl violence ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:59 PM
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And the fact that for a while (including now) some of the most popular content creators are misogynistic men making content about hating women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:48 PM
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It’s not about ‘judging demographics’ - it’s about visibly and how some voices are heard more than others Single dads and genuinely good single men do get the brunt of this, but again, this is because the negative side is so loud and present to the point where they’re overbearing and can even get violent
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:39 PM
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I love that every example of “pretty common” is the same subreddit every dude here references. It’s almost as if the whole ‘women hate men’ mindset is overblown or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:37 PM
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You’re right - and they probably should be, but that’s not gonna happen when incels/RP/MGTOW men spam single male discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:57 PM
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Right, and the reason why they’re not talked about is cause most ‘single man’ discourse is infested by incels yelling about it I assure you, nobody hates the single dad doing his best
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:36 PM
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The people trying to empower women trying to stay single are often liberal or progressive women. In conservative circles and many male circles, women who choose to be single are actively shamed for it. To add to this, a man choosing to stay single is one thing, a man saying he chooses to stay single while constantly complaining about women and being bitter is another. The latter is far more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:59 AM

Sure, you’re not wrong. Posts that ask for support that appear like they’re from women do get more attention - That’s cause women support each other more and men put on a face of support as an attempt to get laid or get close to a woman who appears vulnerable That being said, I’m also not sure how the examples you gave read as ‘posts made by women/men’ - they just read as posts that anyone could make. They don’t feel gendered at all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:53 PM
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….. because sometimes people get married and it doesn’t work out? Like idk what else you wanna hear
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:55 PM
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No, it’s ideology. And I think ideologues would of course act like their stance is observation of reality. Gender roles, across history, have been more varied than these ideol… errr, “observations” have given them credit for. In fact, the only constant seems to be ‘men physically stronger and more aggressive -> men force roles upon women and punish women who don’t comply’ - now, you can believe that none of this is politicos but when we get into discourse about wider social behaviour it is inher…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:48 AM
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And social issues brought to a macro scale are political by nature as policy and government decisions are largely influenced by social trends, standings and roles lol An ideology that believes men and women have inherent roles is inherently political because these beliefs also drive belief in how the world should work - ergo, it is political
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:36 AM

Really sounds like men should expect more of women cause as far as I’m concerned, men enable the behaviors you criticise
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:55 AM
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I feel like my last sentence is a good repose ro this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:36 AM
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I always do find it funny when people insist the redpill isn’t political when he is heavily dependent on takes that rely on gender’s relationship with the world. Gender - in particular gender roles and what is or constricts gender - is inherently political. We are literally talking about the types of values that decide one’s position towards the right certain groups have. Tbh I think the reason why many in these spaces claim that it isn’t political is because to a lot of them, these roles should…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:22 PM
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They already have been so far, men do be creepin
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:00 PM

And the men who want this can finally build their own colony and leave the rest of society alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:35 PM
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“This is just a description of reality” is a soft ‘agree’ in my books because it still prescribes a worldview (and mind you, an untrue one) - the issue is OP paints it all as an advantage while we’re all here like “please stop treating us like resources to be bartered and traded”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:29 PM

Ah yes, the classic “well men built things so you need us” And in that case, move away from this realm cause without a woman you wouldn’t even be born nor would you have survived being a baby or child sooooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:27 PM
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Less danger, when I lived as a guy dating around I didn’t have to worry about screening whether the person I’m with is trustworthy enough to let my guard down because I had the physical power in that social dynamic Also, women are flat out less pervy to men than men are to women. It ain’t nice being perved at or uncomfortably touched (which does tend to happen with lots of dudes - like it isn’t as egregious as a crotch grab or butt smack or whatever, but the little shoulder and back touches, I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:22 PM
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I think the whole “let’s just submit to everything the RP/incels are criticizing” mindset is very unhelpful. The whole seeing people through value mindset is harmful because it is inherently dehumanizing, and that’s kinda what a lot of people are criticizing. The reason why this ‘women are more valuable’ mindset even exists is from the basis of women being seen as a resource that needs to be protected and not as autonomous individuals. “Women are more valuable” is exactly how a lot of misogynist…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:19 PM
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The issue is you keep getting hung up on the fewer loud women saying this. The issue is you view a certain subset of women as speaking for all women - I also think fear mongering plays a role too, ie. At one point it becomes less women saying “don’t approach us” and more men actively repeating that women think approaching is bad and should be scared. Like this is online content impacting ya’ll in real time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:21 PM

Just sayin’ you’re yet to mention the kind of bar/club you’re a bartender at
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:47 PM
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Again, “I’ve also grown to love nightlife for the record”. I drink (and smoke pot) nearly every weekend, but also, I’m self aware enough to know they’re vices, fun vices, but vices none the less. But also - drinking isn’t for everyone. I’m not sure “well people have always been doing it” is a good justification cause lots of things that have happened through history aren’t good for you. Lots of young people as a whole are turning away from intoxication and again, lots of sober daytime settings f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:27 PM

Cause that’s the only way they can pretend to actually have a point. Reminds me a lot of the whole ‘4 foot Indian janitor’ thought exercise these spaces like to bring up, they need to rely on extremes to prove their worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:17 PM
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I mean…. Your title says ‘bars/clubs’ and the phrase in dating discussion spaces has certain connotations. You can’t be mad at people for sticking to that connotation. That being said, with your clarified point - you can still meet people doing daytime stuff that don’t involve drinking. All these options are great for meeting people, but they’re all tied to drinking culture and hold a limited view on how to meet people. If your post was just “be more outgoing and socialize” I’d agree, but you di…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:00 PM

In all fairness, you were vague in your descriptions as well. When you say a bartender…. Where? A bartender at an alt bar meets and sees very very different people from a pub, whose audience are also very different from the trendy spots, and these audiences are different from those in dive bars and so on and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:50 PM
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I’m gonna disagree here. There are tons of ways to meet people that don’t include bars or clubs. Now, if all you wanna do is hook up, nightlife is your best bet - but also hooking up is primarily driven by a very base form of attraction, not indicators of long term compatibility I’ve also grown to love nightlife, for the record - but also, most of the friends I’ve made aren’t from nightlife, I’d have pleasant convos and interactions with people from nightlife, but they don’t last - not cause any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:47 PM

Here is the problem: you talk about nightlife only (never elaborating on what specific type of place), use your credential as a bartender as a trump card, then extend it to non-nightlife related places all while acting like the only 2 ways to date are dating apps or cold approaching. You’d make a very strong case…. If you were only talking about the trendy hip downtown bars and clubs (since these spots literally exist with the mantra of seeing and being seen), but these statements you bring up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:44 PM
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Nightlife isn’t the only in person option lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:25 PM
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You didn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:12 PM
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Do you think Reddit is the only place on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:21 PM
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Quite literally every red pill, incel or manosphere space holds its foundation on men complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:47 PM
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The issue with this mindset is your goal and endgame are entirely dependent on others. Living for romance is flawed because it relies a lot ok living for others - and if begs the question - what happens if you don’t find love?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:45 PM
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I mean…. What do you want us to say? “Cause looks really aren’t the important important thing” isn’t an answer you’re willing to accept. Like obviously being hot gets you more points, and being butt Ulysses you lose points, but if you’re in that hovering around average range the problems you’re facing truly don’t have to do with your looks. Now, of course, some women value looks more than others, but then the answer here becomes people value different things, like I don’t think one set of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:29 PM
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I mean, I’ve seen guys not only do this but also bring it up over and over again. If you wanna go by “well I’ve seen this”, then how do we counter each other with purely anecdotal evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:58 PM
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I mean even offline, men love throwing hissy fits about what women wear, what guys they’re friends with, whether a woman is or isn’t attracted to them, about their favorite team losing, and I could go on and on Ya’ll don’t let go more, you repress the larger emotional issues and it comes out in weird ways
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:55 PM
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Yepp, someone could flat out be a lot more attractive in person whether in mention, whether via their own presentation, their mannerisms, voice or seeing their interests in action could play a big role. Just cause I didn’t like someone’s dating profile doesn’t mean that the person might not be compatible, or just cause they text shitty doesn’t mean they won’t be an interesting person - but when it comes to apps these factors come first so we work within these factors
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:53 PM
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Funny you say that cause men complaining is responsible for some of the largest spaces online ranging from incel stuff to RP stuff and a ton of ‘anti woke’ grift content (who’s audience and communities are also majority men)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:50 PM
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“They must stay with their toxic partner” Bear IS the toxic partner. Also the reason why the company tells him this is more a way of saying “you can’t undue your wish. You gotta live with it”, this isn’t about Nikki, this is about his wish becoming reality and literally no way to back it up Nikki has no control over how she acts, her actions are not of her own accord. This is what Bear wished for. Even if he didn’t know that the wish was real, the wish itself shows a desire for someone’s love we…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:04 PM
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Doesn’t matter, he literally heard the actual pleas of someone clearly under control of something else, and opted to make it about himself. If you proceed to date and sleep with someone who loses their autonomy you’re raping them, and once you know the real person is a passive observer who hates every second of it, you’re raping them intentionally. Bear is a rapist. He’s the perpetrator, not the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:55 PM
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Do you also believe that people who rape their partners, abusive partners and so on are “victims of love”? Lmfao And please, when real Nikki manages to be able to speak for a split second and begs Bear to kill her, he responds with ‘what’s so bad about being with me?’ - this immediately kills any narrative lots of dudes try to build that he isn’t a rapist who thinks about himself first
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:43 PM
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Too feminine. I’ll name it predictive human behaviour maxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:49 AM
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“But then the fire nation came along” ahh post
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:43 AM
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Ah yes, the famous history of female cooperation. Laws, social values and plays of power to put down women existing throughout history was entirely theatre and nothing else, I’m sure there is literally no other men. Also cut it out with the “third gender” shit. ‘Low value men’ is not a gender identity as this is not how gender identity works
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:42 AM
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I guess I disagree in that fundamentally I don’t view marriage as much of a necessary concept outside of government documentation. But also, living other first is important because you don’t truly know what the other person is like until you live together. Up till then, some extent of performance is involved, you don’t truly know who someone is until the moments in between
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:39 PM

Lots of tall women out there, and voice training is a thing. I have broad shoulders as well sooooo Also - what you say is interesting. Are you saying the one thing preventing you is the cost? Or are you entirely thinking about it from a “I want the benefits” sort of thing and don’t really have an interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:34 AM

I started at 31, and I began as very masc and muscular and I seem to pass half the time now… I’m only 7 months in. Now, I realize this is a bit quick but my point is the 20-30 years of T won’t mess you up for certain and lots of trans women and up fine. Besides, if you’re an ugly guy, how does passing as an ugly woman sound? Cause if you don’t want to pass as an ugly woman, maybe you should rethink your whole view on this whole ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:19 AM
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Not really - because I didn’t “choose” to be a woman, I just am. Also, the desire here wasn’t for some unspoken privilege or social benefit. Hell, now I deal with transphobia and misogyny at the same time soooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:51 PM
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Then become a woman and show us all how easy life is for you. I bet a lot of the dudes who bring up “I wish I was born a woman cause life is so easy as a woman” won’t last 6 months with the kind of social expectations, added precautions, as well as perceived social role women get (whether we want them or not)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:45 PM

Cause an ugly guy being respectful is still better to me than some boorish chad. Now, I’ll probably end up rejecting both but one I’ll put down respectively and one I’ll be repulsed by. You should know which is which but just for fun I won’t say it. Now, here is the issue with the blackpill, it oversimplifies a universal concept (hot people are hot) and turns into a negative, bitter, overly pathologizing ideology that has one dimension to it. It is no longer “hot people are hot” it is “to be hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:42 PM
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Imagine thinking all there is to life is people wanting to fuck you Real talk though, if I were to accept your premise for 1 second (which…. There is a lot wrong with it. Including but not limited to your framing of single moms), who’s fault is that? If women can always find a guy and that’s a problem maybe that’s something for men to figure out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:14 PM
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Right, so now we’re talking anecdotal vs anecdotal - but your source was a scene from a sitcom and mine was a survey at the bare minimum. You see where I’m going with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:17 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/where-do-we-pee-a-yougov-survey-has-the-answers/ I mean…. This study shows twice as many men pee outside then women, and over 5x as many men pee openly on the street. If double the women are using stalls more and use menstrual products, you can see how one can come to this conclusion. That being said, from experiencing both washrooms anecdotally I’ve never once felt the need to move to a different stall due to how dirty the previous one is in the women’s wash…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:41 PM
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Weren’t you the person who, earlier today, tried to pass off a snopes statement, a Sienfeld clip and a skit from a musical comedy bit as ‘sources’ in all earnestness while insisting that a woman saying that men pee outside is somehow related to misandry? I mean I’m just saying I get why
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:08 PM

They were quite common in rock and hair metal scenes too from what I understand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:12 PM

Yeahhh there is a lot of not caring about fashion which sucks, cause men’s fashion had a lot going on. It feels like since the early 2000s men have kinda defaulted to any kind caring about his own looks as gay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:12 PM

Then jd suggest focusing your attention for those who do if you want to wear em But I will say, it is more women than you think
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:11 PM

Wdym, so many women say men should wear more crop tops. The issue is you’re viewing revealing clothing= feminine. Show more skin, let that muscle definition show, show off your thighs. If some people wanna make fun of you let them. “But there are no crop tops for men” - make em, get a T shirt you think might look good cropped and cut it up. You can wear skinny jeans, shorter shorts, etc Genuinely, nobody is stopping you and some women may even enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:36 PM
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Based on my experience with both, the women’s is cleaner. That being said, many more men pee in public as it is just quicker to pee in a urinal and if a bush, alleyway, secluded corner or tree exists, guess which gender is far more likely to pee outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:53 AM
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I mean…. None of your sources are really ‘sources’ as a single snopes claim from 2001, a clip from a comedy song and a clip of Seinfeld are not really proof of anything. Especially cause both YouTube clips are primarily seeing “sometimes men pee sitting down too” which… challenging whether men pee sitting down was never the topic of debate. Fact is, men are far more exponentially likely to pee standing up, that’s just a simple fact, hardly anyone views it as an issue and it is hardly ever talked…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:43 AM

Piss everywhere, toilet paper stuffed to the brim, somehow shit on the seat, I’ve had more experiences in men’s washrooms where I went “yeaaaaaaaaaaa I’m finding a different stall”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:53 AM

Based on my experience the women’s restroom is def cleaner than the men’s. I’m sure some locations might have the opposite case, but I can’t say that I’ve seen this be the case…. And I’ve used a lot of public washrooms even prior to transitioning since I have a tiny bladder
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:52 AM
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I’m honestly kinda surprised it took me this long to see a post about this here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:43 AM
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Obsession is about a guy who robs a woman of her agency, and proceeds to do so even when he learns that’s what he’s doing. This includes having sex with her when she is robbed of her agency. There is a word for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:33 AM
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Jesus…. You’re really gonna say all this and not recognize that 50 shades and obsession have different primary demographics. Also, even if you want to bring up dark romance, it is a different fantasy that serves a difference purpose. Now, I will counter your entire wall of text with one statement. Nikki - the real Nikki, not the ‘possessed Nikki (for lack of a better term) - literally begs Bear to kill her when she finally has a moment of lucidity. Bear asks “what’s so wrong about being with a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:28 AM
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Tbh I don’t think most people really think about these anymore, especially in places more free flowing like a cafe. I can see how this can be an issue at a restaurant but a more laid back cafe is not a restaurant
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:07 PM
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I think what’s ’fair’ is whatever the couple themselves agree on. This includes someone being a SAHD, if this is what they both decide and they’re both happy with it, yell yeah do your thing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:25 PM
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Why can’t you approach someone at a cafe? If she doesn’t look fully immersed or occupied there is literally nothing wrong with commenting “hey, I really like your Pokémon keychain. Is this your favorite Pokémon?” Or something. Also if it helps don’t see it as cold approaching, see it as approaching someone with genuine interest if this is indeed the case. I think generally approaching is fine long as it is in socially acceptable places to - parks, bars, clubs, hobby groups, cafes, etc, long as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:16 PM

I didn’t say confidence = bullying. I brought on an example of how one can interpret a trait as virtuous when it isn’t inherently. Confidence can range anywhere from being confident in your own silence and kindness to being a total dick cause you’re fully entitled. It is an amoral trait, as are many of the traits we are attracted to. Whether the person one is attracted to demonstrates these traits in a virtuous way is a truly of the person themselves being attracted to these traits displayed vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:07 PM

Yeaaaaa no, I don’t think you’ve seen a girl be into someone. She will literally do everything she can to be close to them and in their space, and if they feel confident enough, they’ll actually say something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:03 PM

Idk if that translates to virtue though, cause you can be interested in traits that also translate to harm, selfishness, etc - for example, is being into a dude cause he’s confident yet a bully really virtuous? To be clear I don’t think that’s the norm, but I am opposing the whole ‘I don’t care about looks therefore I am more virtuous’ mentality Also let people be shallow, some people look for that and others don’t. Who cares? Also, idk about the ‘more loyal’ bit - men and women cheat at similar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:00 PM

Okay, so back to the core of your post. Is Lavar’s wife’s actions proof of anything you spoke of?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:43 AM

And you’d be surprised - a whole lotta people sadly do that, in particular if they lean more manipulative or if they convince themselves that them loving the person is more important than mutual love And idk, for me to call it cruel I would need context. The reason why I hesitate to call it cruel is cause what do you want/expect, for someone to stay in a relationship they don’t wanna stay in cause someone took care of them prior? In which case, when are they even?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:31 AM

Are you owed someone staying with you because they nursed you back to health? Cause if the reason was “I can’t stand being with an amputee” then yes, she is horrible, but if the reason is the marriage was already running on coals and it needed a ‘final push’ then idk, relationships end, that’s life. And even then - if ‘he nursed her back to health’ is enough reason, does that therefore mean a justified motive to nurse someone back is ‘they’ll owe me so they have to stay with me’?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:23 AM
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Oh totally, but we all know when OP means boat, he means luxury boats, not a speedboat your average older north Ontarian might have
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 AM
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Did I ever say women aren’t into casual sex? Lots of us absolutely are - though the whole “boat + six pack” bit doesn’t represent who most women interact with
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:37 AM
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See, my issue with your post is that it never actually explains why you think women are hypocritical about sex work, you don’t explain how nor do you give examples. You just present the premise and pile on beliefs to it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:35 AM

Is she leaving him because he lost his foot? Do we know the details of their marriage? What about all the men who left their sick wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:30 AM
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Maybe we’re just Beckeys in a world of Stacys
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:47 PM
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I kinda felt like I knew where this is going… then you brought up chad with the boat and I knew I was right. Stop engaging with these fictional a scenarios. The vast majority of women don’t know a dude with a boat and a six pack. Most don’t have the idea that they’re gonna meet a guy either both, even lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:06 PM
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Because when you don’t want to have a kid, being pregnant is a detriment and an immediate source of anxiety that really messes with your body? Like I feel like being pregnant in itself sucks, but lots of women tolerate the experience when they want kids
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:04 PM
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Didn’t know your bank account was part of your body ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:48 PM
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Figure out the core of why you feel this way, and begin working against this fear you have. Whether it be via self reflection, meditation or therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:29 PM
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In which case, you named the issue. Find the source of it and face your fears!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:27 PM
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It really sounds like this thought process is a way of shooting yourself in the leg and denying yourself the chance to even get to know someone. Is this genuine observation or analysis, or justification for avoidance?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:08 PM
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I do think there is a nuanced convo to have about early opting out of child support, but the case for good faith convos has fallen out the window at this point. While I can’t get pregnant nor give birth, cis women can - so on their behalf, my body my choice. Gain the ability to grow life inside of you then we’ll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:06 PM
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You left out the part where one parent can simply nut and call it the day while the other has the baby actively impact their body and put them through physical trauma. It takes 2 to make a baby, yes, but most of the actual work of the baby coming to existence is happening inside the mother. Also, men make the decision to avoid precautions and even outright consciously avoid them every day
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:10 AM

100% - know yourself and what you want at least to some extent
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:35 AM

I feel like a better way to word it isn’t really ‘most people are NPCs’ - cause tbh from a lot of people’s view, you’re an NPC as well, I also don’t like that phrasing cause it immediately pushes the convo to ‘I’m better than all these people’ which isn’t necessarily true (and I say this cause I used to have this mindset) I think it genuinely is as simple as you and these women, and your girl-friends and these men, simply aren’t compatible and are unable to bring out each other’s quirks. As for …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:30 AM
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Aaaaah fair enough, I thought you were trying to point something out about my argument that was iffy. But yeah, my point is he can go in all different semantic directions, the meaning of his comment really doesn’t change, and it remains an attempt to flex an individual sense of superiority (probably to compensate for his own sense of inadequacy tbh)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:38 AM
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The point of your response being?….
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:32 AM
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Okay, I’ll operate under your premise as you wrote it. You say confidence is strongly linked to men, and you actively frame that with myself - being a woman - as lesser right off the bat. You don’t regard factors like socialization or why these links might exist, and instead play into this whole thing as a superiority complex. You can argue “um akshuwally, I didn’t talk in absolutes” but the core meaning is still the same. So my response remains the same: what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:20 AM
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Soooo confidence is a trait mainly men possess now? What? Also I kinda have to point this out: you may be a misogynist, but you’re not a transphobe soooo points? I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:52 AM
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Right… but men do decide to impregnate women, and men make the decision nearly every day to leave a pregnant woman. The woman also goes through months of bodily changes and risk to have the baby. Must be nice to nut in someone, cry about child support AND decide reproductive laws, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:07 PM
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Soooo why do women have more reproductive rights than men in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:03 PM
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And what? The person pushing the child out of their vagina is not legally obligated to have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:58 PM
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And I am not asking you to repeat your statements, I am asking you explain why you believe what you believe. Give examples, reasons, pathways…. Anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:56 PM
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Literally everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:54 PM
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No, I am saying you’re so wrong that I don’t even know how to respond to you. So explain why you believe what you believe, so I can decide how deep I should go in explaining why you’re wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:52 PM
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LOL excuse me? Didn’t know passive v active mindset was determined by your gender
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:50 PM
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Oh I want to ask “excuse me what?” On each indavidual point so I’m settling on your whole comment… excuse me what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:43 PM
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Self expression is so much more fun, community is stronger (women are far more supportive of each other), just feeling your emotions more fully is so nice (and tbh just being able to cry is a nice release), and in general you just have more room for emotions, experimentation, etc Of course - there comes the many social expectations, the danger of walking outside in the dark, reproductive issues for cis women primarily, rights are a frequent constant battle and you are more physically vulnerable …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:42 PM
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OH BOI DO I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU Joking aside, as much as I enjoy being a woman now - transitioning was the absolute last resort for me. I had exhausted every other option of just wanting to feel alive before I turned to it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:38 PM
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I wanted to isolate a single quote but I feel like I’d be undercutting all your other points….. wat?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:37 PM
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It isn’t the inexperience in itself, it is the attitude that often comes with it. An inexperienced guy who’s chill, fun and pleasant is fine. Problem is lots of inexperienced guys are difficult to be around cause they’re either bitter, gloomy or so lacking in self that it kinda is just a bummer to be around
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:15 AM
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No….. a man who doesn’t wanna pay for the entire date simply just doesn’t wanna pay the full bill for the date. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. It could be a personal boundary, that he’s financially limited or doesn’t see any reason to. Don’t feet the redpill bs, the dudes on this sub love hearing the opinions of one woman who validate their views and take it as proof that we all think this way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:58 PM
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It’s very interesting that you don’t believe in patriarchy and your interests squarely lie in the interests of housewives. Nothing wrong with housewives to be clear, I just think it is very interesting that you dismiss the existence of all of these systems, insist equality has been achieved and keep repeatedly pushing for what’s best for housewives rather than addressing any other issues
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:22 PM
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I already described what I meant by larger systems, all of these interconnecting system that shape people’s socioeconomic position. They are absolutly still alive and well, and they do dictate many of the norms we still hold today. Also, “patriarchy is no longer alive in the 2020s USA” the president is a literal misogynistic racist, SA claims still get active scrutiny, the casualness of objectification is still the norm, and we are at a point where “was giving women the right to vote?” Is a genu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:10 PM
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Are you saying there is no patriarchy? Capitalism? Hyper-individualist drives? Institutionalised racism (in particular towards women of color)? Institutionalised transphobia and transmisogyny? And I could go on and on
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:54 PM
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Thank you for telling me what feminism is, I had no idea. I also like how you sneakily moved the convo from me critiquing choice feminism specifically into making it look like I am critiquing feminism as a whole. Good work. And both are choice feminism because a key aspect of choice feminism is choosing to do something is in itself a feminist act - which imo it isn’t, it’s just a woman doing a thing. Can it be activism? Sure, is it inherently activism? Not really. The issue with choice feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:37 PM
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….. of the work and industry itself, which do indeed deserve criticism and scrutiny. I do think the sex work industry in itself has a ton of unethical shit going on, I’m not denying that nor do I support the industry of which sex work takes place in But a common issue I see with SWERFs - and why I tend to have a problem with them - is that I’ve heard quite often SWERFs focusing their criticism on the individual sex workers themselves, and not the circumstances that may have created such an envir…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:24 PM
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Until it isn’t - a very common critique of choice feminists by various other feminists groups is the fact that it is broad and it treats literally anything as a form of activism, even if others don’t know it. At best its ineffective, at worst its an easy out to make you feel like you’re making a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:12 PM
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I never said we are ‘giving up choice’ as choice is inherent and not to be given up, we absolutly should have the freedom to have self agency and it is absolutely empowering, but also when a movement becomes “this consists of me just existing and calling it activism” it becomes stagnant and kinda turns into a meme. What I mean by straight up advocacy is focused causes and issues to bring awareness to and solve, “I choose therefore I’m doing a feminism” isn’t enough because it isn’t actual activi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:03 PM
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The issue with SWERFs is that they often actively dismiss why women get into sex work and to me, it becomes more about being anti-sex work then looking at why such an industry exists, and what conditions drives one to do sex work. Also, I don’t think it is hypocritical, because choice feminism in itself essentially enables any kind of behavior as resistance so long as it is a behavior a woman is doing, but also undercuts the fact that feminism is more driven by straight up advocacy. It also dete…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:37 PM
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Oh absolutely: TERFs are feminists as well, but they’re also shitty people and shitty feminists Choice feminism completely oversimplify how societal systems work and completely denies cause and effect, the belief that every decision you make is inherently feminist is harmful to women’s rights entirely. Girlboss feminism is just patriarchy wearing a dress. Many anti-porn and anti-sex work feminists dismiss why women get into porn and sex work and become hugely lacking in sympathy to social and sy…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:27 PM
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“Enough women in the 3d world so supply every man in the first world” ah yes, my favorite resource: women living in poverty I wanna focus on both why you using a hypothetical to try to prove something is in itself a horrible way to do any kind of rhetoric as it relies heavily on your perception of others being a reality. In this instance, your painting of us as villains who just want to hurt the poow widdwe sexwess men But also, your consideration of third world women was economic resources whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:20 PM
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In all fairness, many feminists are also just flat out wrong or not exactly the most educated. Every conventional and academically based definition talks about gender essentialism via the lens of biological sex informing gender roles. Having different sensations or feeling sexuality differently isn’t gender essentialism, it’s just biology - and it is true, like there are physical, emotional and mental cues that are informed by one’s hormonal profile. This is not gender essentialism though as gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:00 PM
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So your basis of gender essentialism being real is…. A video a dude walking up to women asking if they’d fuck him? Do you consider that more often than not, women might want to bond with a guy first before sex? What this bonding might look like differs greatly, but still. I also don’t think differences between how genders perceive sensations/emotions/etc is ‘gender essentialism’ because gender essentialism primarily focuses on believing that gender roles are biologically inherent, differences in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:42 PM
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It has everything to do with a lack of autonomy because gender essentialism is literally about the belief that we are predisposed to behaviors, habits and so on because of our genders. Gender essentialism is literally actively used by conservative and traditionalist govts to continue seeing women as second class citizens and re-enforce harmful behaviors in men as well. And I mean I do have skin in the game, with my ‘skin’ being that there is no such thing as gender essentialism because humans ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:31 PM
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I don’t think ‘genders are meaningful’ are gender essentialist because gender essentialism relies on unchangeable biological traits driving us. The problem with it as an ideology is that it examine behavior and says ‘you behave x way because of your gender’ or ‘you are destined for y because of your gender’ - gender essentialism is the belief in lack of autonomy in the individual and is the belief in pre-selected roles, it is not “gender matters” So I mean…. Still waiting for your gotchya moment
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:15 PM
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How is my transition relevant this exactly? Why is this a gotchya?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:06 PM
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I mean yeah, women in third world countries are more gender essentialist because these countries actively re-enforce gender essentialist views and gender roles. That’s literally part of the problem lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:59 PM
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But isn’t god omnipotent, omnipresent and all knowing? In other words, god put the tree there, god knew Eve and Adam would eat from its fruit, and god ‘wrote’ that they would as God created all of them and space and reality and all of us. So either god is larping with himself and we’re all a part of god’s self-larp, or god isn’t as powerful as he’s said to be which crumbles the entire narrative. So if you’re saying ‘god didn’t mean to share’ then you’re saying god is capable of mistakes, which k…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:50 AM
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Hazbin Adam was such a spoiled man baby. I loved seeing him on screen lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:42 AM
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So funny thing about the bible in itself intently being fiction. The text primarily focuses on lucifer wanting to corrupt humanity and turn them away from God, that doesn’t really mean ‘eradicate humanity’. It isn’t about humanity, it’s about holding a defiance to god… and I mean, god kinda made it a point that Adam’s wife MUST submit to Adam so we can see why Lilith would oppose that and why Eve eventually opposed that. Thing is so much of the bible depends on interpretation and so much of this…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:41 AM
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More like… she chose curiosity over authority. Also, with this framing you do frame god as the automatic authority. At the end of the day the whole apple of Eden story amounts to “don’t eat this specific fruit because I said so. Got it?” And what? The only justification is “well god made that rule so I’d better listen”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:37 AM
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This is what porn does to the brain lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:12 AM
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I don’t mean to laugh but this expression of frustration is kinda hilarious to me. It isn’t even cause of the average men, but you’re practically yelling “WHY CANT YOU JUST BE INTO ME?!?!?!?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:57 AM
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“Yeah so like, if you didn’t make Eve so tempting we wouldn’t be in this mess….. you might wanna patch that up” “…. You know what, I was feeling forgiving but just for that I’ll banish you to mortality.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:24 PM
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Again, how should thank the big swong men fow defending my fwagile wights?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:05 PM
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Feminism as a movement quite literally exists to advocate for women’s rights to achieve equality, so if feminism didn’t support women’s rights anymore there would be no feminism lmfao And yeah, I am, and I am right for doing it. I just need to point at what you’re writing to prove my point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:59 PM
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Well geez thank you for being a decent human being how will I ever repay you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:58 PM
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Yes, hence why I’m saying the nice guy mask is off. If you need a price to support the rights of others, then you’re a dick - flat out. You have every right to be a dick, and I have every right to hate you for being a dick. Like at that people we are talking about fundamentally clashing value systems between “people deserve equality” and “equality is justified when the dominant group benefits from it”, and I don’t care how brash I’m sounding, one of the two are morally reprehensible. And you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:52 PM
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Oh it absolutely makes you wrong because you are making the active decision to not support the basic systemic rights of a group unless you benefit, ergo your internal value system is worthy of scrutiny and judgment If that doesn’t matter to you, cool, you do you, but if people end up wanting to distance themselves from you, that’s probably why
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:50 PM
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Right, and you’re saying support for a group’s rights is dependent on if you get a benefit out of that group. Thats what I’m calling out
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:43 PM
14

Oh a man is an absolutely free to decide, but also if a person (man or women) doesn’t support systemic equality, I’d consider them an awful person. You have every right to be a dick if that’s what you want, and others have every right to respond accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:42 PM
7

Nobody is entitled to anyone else’s support, however, you are framing advocating for systemic equality as entitlement sooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:31 PM
15

Adam was the first nice guy confirmed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:26 PM
1

It’s a turn off for some but not for others idk what to tell you If a woman turned on by nerdy men is turned on by some nerdy men and not others maybe their types of nerdy don’t sync or it is stuff unrelated to him being nerdy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:25 PM
12

And yet, even with that, the framing you give isn’t universal soooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:24 PM
6

You can see Eve eating the fruit as her ‘picking the wrong man’, I see it as her choosing curiosity and defiance over confinement. My issue with the bible (and tbh every abrahamic religion, as well as Christian interactions with women in history) is that religion as a whole, but abrahamic religion specifically, relies on “do this cause God says so” - women who asked why; Eve, Hypatia, many women accused of witchcraft and so on questioned that and act in defiance of it. In this story, Lucifer off…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:14 PM
17

Is this the ultimate nice guy mask off post? “Oh, I’m not entitled to sex or a relationship. YOU GET NOTHING! NO SUPPORT FOR YOUR CAUSES, NO ADVOCACY, NOTHING!” Tongue in cheek commentary aside, are you seriously running this whole post under the premise that if you’re not entitled to relationships, then therefore women aren’t entitled to systemic equality? Is this seriously your core argument? In the most basic terms, this is a false equivalency. If you wanna go deeper, you’ve shown that you’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:09 PM
0

“I was born in the darkness, molded by it!” ahh post
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:39 AM
11

Okay - there is a difference between active support and a slow changing of standards due to new existing circumstances. Women gained the right to vote because they actively protested and it became disruptive, women joined the workplace because they fought for it and it become disruptive, and so on and so on - in time many of these values had become normalized because future generations saw them as normal, and even then, many men still have an incredible habit of attempting to actively dismiss us…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:23 AM
2

IRL? No, I haven’t. Because I haven’t seen a drunk man be unable to consent or speak out about it irl, online? I have a few times. Not as often as women, but a few times One thing you need to keep in mind is that men are far more likely to speak out about being SA’d or taken advantage of sexually, as such less attention is given to it because there are less instances out there to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:20 AM
17

I mean…. Hypergamy isn’t really a thing nor do most men support feminism, so I’m not sure how to respond to this post
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:01 AM
2

Because men are far more likely to take advantage of a drunk woman than the other way around, it is simple as that. Also, just cause you don’t see feminists talk about it as often (because it happens far less) doesn’t mean it happens less. In the instances where a drunk man is taken advantage of, and he either speaks of it or word gets out, the general consensus amongst feminist is “he was too drunk to consent”, tbh I’ve seen a lot more men go the route of “he had a good time and nobody got hurt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:00 AM
1

Nobody’s stopping you from putting on makeup bud - not all makeup is colorful or striking, lots exists to even out skin tone, cover up blemishes/acne, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:52 AM
2

I think it comes from wanting to maintain social victimhood, what they perceive as leverage in discourse and I think a part of it is to admit their standards are higher than they lead on is to also admit that men are heavily influenced by social media and porn. I also think it is a sliding scale, many men have no standards for the kind of women they want to fuck (especially in private), but absolutely do have high standards as far as how they’re perceived by other men. That’s why all kinds of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:50 AM
1

I think the issue isn’t necessarily that men are picky, I think the issue is more that many men actively act like they’re these desperate bottom feeders with no standards and are beggars, but not choosers while their perception of what an attractive woman is has entirely been impacted by porn and social media
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:46 AM
1

So, this has been described to death and this distinction has been talked about non stop. Misogynistic men who succeed do so despite their misogyny, give the same looks and same traits to 2 men, except one is far more misogynistic than the other, guess which one most women will pick? I should also add, mix in very human aspects like lower self esteem, the man’s charm superseding his misogyny, his fun factor being high, and yeaaa… that kind of makes a difference in how one is perceived and even h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:26 PM
1

I’m not even gonna sugar coat this, I’m actually kinda very impressed that you actually believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:11 AM
1

So you believe men repressing their feelings is as instinctual, innate and necessary as sleep?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:03 AM
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Oh it’s def not written by AI, it is too poorly written and too ‘stream of thought’ to be AI. Its just plain old poor writing and full on historic illiteracy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:54 AM
0

Who’s in the woods crying cause they need to start a fire? How you are coming up with these scenarios? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:53 AM
0

“This is the norm. Therefore it won’t change and we should not criticize it” dude
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:50 AM
-5

How is this even relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:19 AM
1

You have a roundabout definition. “What’s a desirable woman?”, “women who are desired by most men” - that doesn’t move the convo in any direction and is basically a non answer What makes these women desirable? And why are you shying away from the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:41 PM
0

Right but what traits does a desirable woman have. What makes her desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:33 PM
2

Define “desirable women”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:32 PM
3

Crying in itself isn’t directly solving the problem, sure - though the reason people cry and why it is healthy it to not suppress your feelings is it allows you to release and process your feelings so you may solve it with a clear head. Active repression will eventually catch up with you and it will not be pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:11 PM
1

No….. patriarchy is based around a long series of behaviours and norms. “I don’t cry, j find solutions. Crying solves nothing. Suppress your emotions” IS partly what patriarchy teaches men because of the belief that emotions are inferior (and you didn’t outright say it but you’re actively implying it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:02 PM
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“Most” is doing a whole lotta stretching here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:00 PM
2

Some women certainly do, others don’t. How about y’all stop trying to get the approval of those who do?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:40 PM
0

When you’re so engrained in patriarchy as a system you have no idea what you literally describe is how patriarchy works
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:25 PM
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Okay… and what do I do with this info?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:56 PM
3

I mean…. To put it bluntly if you’re not supporting the rights of other women or if you actively support politicians who are antagonistic towards women’s rights (ie. Trump, if we wanna keep things contextual to the US as per the post) you kinda are on the wrong side of things and I have no qualms telling you you are in fact kinda ruining things for women as a whole lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:49 PM
1

So why is transsexualism only allowed in gay male communities? Like you explained to me why trans people aren’t real, but also why ‘transsexual men’ can’t be into women? Or even why ‘transsexual men’ in gay communities isn’t a form of fetishization in itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:28 PM
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This is funny, cause I agree with you, but from the complete opposite end (ie. Women’s rights are indeed under threat and we should do something about it). The number needs to be closer to 100 than 50, and the number currently is much closer to 50 - so sadly I don’t see much progress until things get worse
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:26 PM
1

I’ll rephrase the question, why do you think for one to perform as the opposite gender, they need to be same sex attracted? Like what role does homosexuality play in expressing one’s self as the opposite gender in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:16 PM
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Fair enough! And I honestly don’t see much of a solution myself because being a trans woman of color myself (middle eastern, and yeaaaa conservatives among Middle Eastern women is a whole other can of worms I could get into), there are issues I simply can’t compromise on because sadly these issues are direct threats to me (and women of color as a whole) soooo there does seem to be an impass and I think the grim truth is nothing will happen till enough white women feel suppressed enough to want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:13 PM
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Indigenous women disappear daily, black women are actively suppressed and even white women are slowly losing their reproductive rights and many changing cultural views are leaning more towards wanting women to be more trad - these are all indeed threats to women’s rights lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:11 PM
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So the 80s was a very compromise-heavy period where appeasing to some established norms was the key. ‘Older gays’ are pretty divided by this, and that’s partly because of this divide - also as humans we have the tendency to think progress ends when we get our own individual rights so that plays an role. Also, the reasons why it changed from transsexual and transgender is because our understanding of gender identity and sex has evolved. Your biological sex does not change, I will always be male, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:09 PM
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Cuz straight women and gay women want diffent things. Also, different aspects in women are attractive than in men. Also, depends on the kind of person you’re into - like do you lean more masc or femme? Are more attracted to masc or femme women? That kind of tbing Also, “tall, confident, socially skilled, assertive, charismatic…” isn’t even fully agreed upon by straight women sooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:04 PM
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Which kind of is part of the problem, is it not. I mean the majority of white women don’t care for the issues black or indigenous women face as well, as another example. That’s kind of why I bring up intersectionality lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:00 PM
3

We are what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:58 PM
2

I don’t think you would be mansplaining if you’re mainly just theorizing on what the issues might be tbh, and who knows, you might say something insightful. And that’s kinda the question - do we even want to unify in the grand scheme of things? Because a large part of the tension is how privilege fits into this, and how it being acknowledged and seen as a part of the struggle plays a role. For example, would I actively protest with someone who wound say “I want women’s rights, but trans women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:57 PM
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I’m not infantilizing, I am mostly saying women aren’t on the same page and we kinda need to be for actual collective uprisings to happen And in all fairness, 46% of Hispanic women, 40% of Asian women and 10% of black women also voted for Trump too - but neither are the majority, that’s key distinction but also worth addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:54 PM
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Fair enough. 46% of Hispanics women voted for trump and 40% of Asian women did, as did 10% of black women. This kind of continues to support my point but also, white women are the only demographic to have the majority vote for the guy I also didn’t infantilize anyone so idk what you’re on about
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:51 PM
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I edited the comment to elaborate on how racism plays a role, and I do think it is not worth dismissing. Here is the core question: if the majority of the largest democratic of women voted for, and right now 30-35% still support him, how can we be on the same page?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:48 PM
2

In theory that would’ve been the case, but again, the many white women who ran these movements saw the limitations of and issues of women of color to be secondary. Women of color still worked, though also they had less say about their employment options, pay or employment rights than men of color and were actively physically/mentally/emotionally mistreated at a larger extent (they also faced exponentially higher rates of poverty as well) It does still happen to an extent now - I mean… 40+% of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:40 PM
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Welp women’s suffrage initially began with primarily married white women upper middle to upper class women who actually had the time to organize and even then, found the issues of women of color to be secondary to their right to vote first
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:31 PM
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For one thing, the collective agreement that our rights are under threat and there is a serious risk of cis women becoming second class citizens in the US again, and trans women could lose their right to the medication they need. Maintaining an intersectional, inclusive approach is key too because racialized and indigenous women still suffer more in the US (and lots of the west) are more impacted than white women in these issues. I think we also flat out just need to be in the same page which ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:26 PM
1

You’re actually very wrong about the lesbian. Many straight women (generally speaking) might laugh off the butch lesbian hitting on them aggressively, but they would still be very uncomfortable with it. And in all fairness, if the person hitting on you isn’t someone you’re attracted to, you’re far more likely to perceive it as a threat because flirting in itself inherently breaks some social boundaries, like to hit on someone you have to poke on intimacy slightly so of course if a person is unab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:20 PM
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Your first answer vaguely mentions a fundamental truth, your second one goes “apparently this is is truth and it involves you forgoing the most important person of your life” Now, your belief is clear. You’re in the ‘love of my life is most important’ camp, which already makes your ‘fundamental truth’ bit more tirade than anything good faith. You then say you have no agenda, and yet you heavily use leading questions on people who say they want community/a career first, and even with those who ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:23 AM
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“Apparently that” do you believe this? Or do you say this mockingly? If so why do you consider it a fundamental truth? And why even ask a question and say you have no agenda and yet, you also say there is a fundamental truth? Why weren’t you giving me straight forward answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:09 AM
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And this fundamental truth is?…. So far all you’ve done is asked a hypothetical question and follow up questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:01 AM
7

Where are you going with this? What’s your wider intent? And don’t say “just asking” cause you clearly have a larger purpose in mind so skip all the leading questions
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:57 AM
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By not having community or a strong social support circle most my life and now by having it while being single? I’ve done the whole ‘relationship with no friends’ thing before and it does not last. Most surveys report similar findings as well as far as the overall need of a community of a kind
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:51 AM
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In the grand scheme of things, yes. I think many people will say otherwise because love and infatuation are such strong feelings, but take away one’s own community and you start feeling like you’re in a cage sooner or later. We are social creatures, at the end of the day, and eventually we all need some of kind of wider support net
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:43 AM
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The reason why I used the term ‘shit test’ is to say ‘if you wanna call it a shit test I won’t argue with your semantics’ - but I also don’t truly believe shit tests are a thing. It also shows how flexible the definition of the term is, cause tbh I think the only thing making it a shit test is the fact that you see it as one - I personally just see it as a way to test compatibility or if your values align, which is kinda what happens in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:41 AM
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So your boundary is… being asked what woman inspires you? You okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:16 AM
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Here is the kicker though, if you talk about a woman who inspires you genuinely, that is a route towards connecting. I’ll give you a simple very cliche for example, say she asks a dude this question and you say “my mom” - now, if she hears that answer and dismisses you immediately, obviously she’s in the wrong, but if she asks why and you begin talking about how your mom inspires you, this might spark curiosity, bring up stories, she might learn about you and might begin sharing how her parents …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:15 AM
9

“If she offends me, she is a low value woman” you’re very secure in your masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:01 AM
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Never having a lover but having a career, friends and community. The first option sounds straight up isolating. Having the love of your life all alone sounds great for the first year, but for love to grow and continue you need your own lives, your own friends, community, time away from each other and so on. Would it suck to never be in love? Sure, but imo it would suck a whole lot more to be a homebody with a single lover and nobody else to fall back on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:53 AM
3

Is it a problem behavior if you reacting negatively/walking away/deflecting/ranting about it online is your reaction? Like I happen to view you seeing this question as a shit test worth pointing as a ‘problem behavior’ as part of the problem in itself tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:15 AM
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If that’s how you’re gonna react then whoever asked you the question has truly dodged a bullet and the ‘shit test’ was successful because she learned that either a) you aren’t inspired by any women and chose to react defensively Or b) viewed the question as silly and right there and then showed a clear values mismatch. Either way, nothing gained nothing lost
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:14 AM
1

That doesn’t really answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:35 AM
4

Do you admire Hitler, Stalin and Mao as well? What about Saddam Hussein, Bashar Al Assad and Netenyahu? To be clear I am not saying that all of these are the same morally, but also if you make a statement that you’ll admire a leader regardless of politics, I wanna know where the line is
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:44 PM
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I have a bit of a take about all the “it’s a job interview” question - I think the issue is we’ve learned to answer here questions in a very job interview way. Like sure, there is a way to answer it that is very stale and job interview like, but there is also a way to answer it that shows what you’re passionate about, what you enjoy, what you value. It could even be a gateway to stories about the person. Idk, “it’s just a job interview” to me reads as “I haven’t looked anything up beyond trivia …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:14 PM
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I don’t think it is static if you have a genuine real answer. If you’re rattling off names and humoring while going by basically trivia info, of course it feels like a job interview, but if you’re truly inspired by someone then I’d think you’d be happy to talk about them in a very conversational manner
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:09 PM
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If you wanna call it a shit test then fine, whatever, it is a shit test but imo your answer to this question is important in the sense that your answer doesn’t matter - not in the sense that which specific women you say matter, but if you can’t think of any and think there is nothing wrong with that, deflect, act defensive, get triggered, etc it kind of is a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:06 PM

Why do you not think that? And as far as I’m concerned you’re a stranger on the internet. If I were to get mad, why does it matter to you? (Of course I should say, I do view this as a good faith discussion so with that in mind, I am genuinely curious to read your view. You talked to me me respectfully even if we disagree on something fundamental, and I do think that gives credence to your honesty even if I am to strongly disagree)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:13 PM

So I think your core mistake is thinking transness and gayness are intrinsically tied, and the only separator is whether one is attracted to women or not. Drag queens, gender benders and gay men who live as women are not trans women as drag is a form of performance and drag queens are characters, gender benders might play with gender but ultimately still identify with the gender they’re born as and gay men who live as women are ultimately still gay men because that’s how they identify themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:08 PM
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I don’t. Idk what else to say here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:57 PM
12

It really sounds like you should clean your room more and stop rationalizing why you shouldn’t. Of course wives/gfs are annoyed, there is work to be done in the house and you’re not even offering to help lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:47 PM
3

I am mtf, yes. I am bi, though I do prefer women/non binary people and and am homoromantic so yeah, in a way I am a ‘transbian’
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:16 AM
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So here is my issue with your hypothetical: the entire premise behind it is so dependent on generating sympathy and ‘hypothetical’ entitlement. My answer would be “well, let’s see why men can’t get attention and see what they can do to fix it”, which is my same answer as now. You can call me cruel, misandrist, whatever - you’re not entitled to someone else’s attention, and this hypocritical does not change that. If there is a direct link, then it really sounds like men should either a) fully adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:09 AM
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Because sex is a vulnerable experience for many people and most would like to at least warm up to it, whether it takes hours or days or weeks or months or whatever. Asking it directly right away very much comes off as peering into someone’s personal life without their consent Idc if this happens in some gay male circles, it was still uncomfortable to me before I transitioned, even
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:05 AM
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“They” do you not see me as a trans person? And why do you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:14 AM
2

Then you do you and embrace it. You took a chance and realized it didn’t work. No shame in that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:57 PM
5

Whoa lookout folks the edgelord do be edging
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:55 PM
3

First of all, no. Second of all, read the question again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:54 PM
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Tbh I would - he took a chance at something, realized it didn’t work for him, figured out what worked and continued on with his life with awareness. I do, in a way, respect detransitoners as long as they don’t use it to push a transphobic agenda. You tried something and it didn’t work for you, I respect that you tried it and I respect that you saw what worked while not holding it against others. So yes, I’d def date the type of man you described assuming we have fun together and click
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:53 PM

Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:30 AM

Oooo what’s the reason
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:26 AM

Ya’ll are happy to fetishize us though ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:24 AM
1

There is a gross implication here, consent and bonding becomes ‘pre selection’ and fully intellectualized. Idk, something about this framing just feels skin crawl-ee, like you really looked at a concept like consent and said “let’s intellectualize this into our manosphere bs”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:22 AM

Only if my disrespectful, self centered boyfriend demands that of me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:23 AM

The redder his pill the better. I especially like it when they’re bitter and angry
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:08 AM

No I didn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:08 AM

Is this a serious question?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:57 AM

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:50 AM

Oh I’d totally want to be friends, roommate with family with someone who’s unpleasant, self centred and transactional. I love being disrespected, cleaning up after people, not being heard, having my boundaries crossed and who’s inconsiderate. I love feeling like shit every day, lay it all on me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:48 AM
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Then so be it, I am committing a genetic fallacy and I’m totally fine with it. I’d rather be called under some rhetoric fallacy than give credence to an idea that only exists as a form of reactionary politics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:17 AM
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The bad actors are literally the ones pitching the idea, and are doing so with the intention to be reactionary. I am focusing on the bad actors because the idea is inherently tied to the bad actors. Why should I separate the two when the idea is also a dog whistle for conservative values/anti progressive values? An undisclosed number of these people would literally be fine with people like me dying (and have shown to be fine with it), why tf should I take anything they do in good faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:09 PM
0

No, who says it and the context does matter. The nuclear family in itself isn’t as ‘default’ as conservatives paint it as (family structures were far more communal prior to the 1950s), and on top of that, if a bunch of people actively saying the lgbtq+ community are a threat to the family structure suddenly talk about nuclear family month the same time as pride month at a time where the right has been proven to be comically reactionary, how can I read it as anything other than an attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:05 PM
0

?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:54 PM
1

Here is what men here keep constantly and frequently missing, it is NOT the fact that you’re not getting selected is what makes your behavior immoral, its the fact that you respond to this by being bitter, resentful, and you avoid any kind of feedback or accountability you get. You can be a fully undesirable ugly person who is entirely good and moral, and most people still won’t want you. But, some might. But if you’re a fully ugly undesirable person who’s also unpleasant to be around, yes, near…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:32 PM
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Yeahhhh not only are your arguments based on vibes and evo psych bs, you also argue like you don’t know what patriarchy is, while confidently asserting that you know exactly what it is. What you describe are - to an extent - based on biological differences (ex. Men are indeed more visually driven), but everything else you jump off of that is entirely wrong and driven by social constructs. What’s funny is the social assumptions you base your arguments on aren’t even what makes patriarchy patriarc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:31 PM
-1

For starters, when the people promoting it in June are also the same people spreading anti lgbtq+ rhetoric you kinda have to question the larger motive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:20 AM
0

And promoting it in June, at the same time as pride, in a time where right wing anti trans (and increasing anti lgbtq+, as well as anti-women’s rights) sentiment is continuing to rise. Yeah, this is a reactionary stance driven by hate, I don’t even think it truly is about supporting family structures, it is about trying to reclaim narrative dominance
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:19 AM
2

I want some of this unchecked power you speak of did I miss the memo?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:26 PM
1

For one thing, identifying structural issues =/= victimhood. A victim mentality is more about turning individual faults into entitlements (which is what most of inceldom does) - the pay gap, the issues with the patriarchy, oppression in general are all tangible problems with clear societal roots. That’s the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:24 PM
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It is complaining, not a debate. You’ve framed a whole topic around the idea that men have less options, and spend the whole post about how women can afford to be more selective because we are “the selectors” You’re complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:37 PM
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“The Selectors” has me rolling Real talk though, the active complaining about this is getting circlejerk-ee, what do you want women, or even society, to do about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:21 PM
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As a nurse in training, I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:28 PM
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Include towards what though? Men who are socially awkward, unattractive, unemployed and lacking in confidence? Ya’ll aren’t in any legal threat, and the only thing stopping you is yourselves. The same men you advocate for actively reject opportunities at integration unless there is a direct dating outcome, and the men you speak of have shown to be not interested in improving these intangible factors. What do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:26 PM
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Okay. How do you do that? Outside of forcing people to be attracted to weak males, how do you increase desirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:23 PM
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Okay, comical nature of this post aside, I’m curious what support systems we have for dating that themselves aren’t run by other members of the lgbtq+ community? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:21 PM
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Ok. If a man refuses to let you look through his texts, assume he cheated. If that’s how you wanna play things, let’s assume each refusal = cheating and see how quickly things go downhill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:19 PM
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Here is the thing about working on yourself: it increases your chances, but it guarantees nothing. Say you’re a fully butt ugly truly horrid 0/10 slob, working on yourself will move your chances from 0% to 0.1% or something like that - and this is for the absolute worst case scenario. That being said, working on yourself as daring advice gets messy because as dating advice, you’re making a guarantee out of something that isn’t a guarantee. Also, when living for others you’re more likely to burn …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:18 PM
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A key part of the just world falling is a risk/reward promise. That good people eventually get rewarded and bad people get punished. I am doing neither, I’m saying the vast majority of people won’t insist you’re creepy unless you’re actively doing something creepy, whether you realize it or not. Not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:16 PM

It kinda is targeted at both. Women with riled up feelings of anger will circulate it even if they only find solace in it momentarily, and angry men can’t resist but to watch, circulate and comment on it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:25 PM

Okay, to state the obvious. Such ragebait content is indeed man hating, though I am calling it ragebait here because you’re basing your opinion on content designed to piss you off, not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:00 PM

I feel like there is a difference between going for men who initially put up a charming image then flip it on you vs “women in my reels are like this. I hate women!!!!!” Just a thought
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:54 PM

Idk what to tell you, find better women…. Or tbh find any woman and stop basing your views on rage bait Which version do you prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:46 PM
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Omfg, do I have to be hyper literal to talk to you? When someone says essay in a tongue in cheek manner, they are referring to the long, rambly text of the core post itself. My initial comment does frame the post as a long ramble, and me calling it ‘an essay’ now does not change that because when people say the word ‘essay’ in such contexts, it is used as a dismissive phrase for long rambles. Why am I even explaining this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:43 PM
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Why do I need to mention the word essay at the very beginning?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:36 PM
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…. You mean the comment that directly responded to the post? What about it has you confused?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:35 PM
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“…But when someone comes on and writes a whole ass essay about the “cycle of shit”…” Again, stop playing dumb. When I say essay I am referring to the long wall of text that is this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:33 PM
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Okay, now you’re playing dumb - you damn well know I don’t mean the literal act of actively writing essays
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:31 PM
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Women absolutely are capable of making fear mongering content, and women absolutely are influenced by it. But when someone comes on and writes a whole ass essay about the “cycle of shit” and talks about the fear of being called creepy constantly I kinda have to assume your algorithm is doing the thinking for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:27 PM
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Women absolutly can. Never said they can’t. And good, watch me triple down. Though also, if you’re actively approaching people and are called creepy it probably is cause you are doing something creepy. If you’re approaching no one and are afraid of being called creepy, then you’ve consumed too much content made by men who are creeps. Either way, if that’s your mindset you’re either a creep, or someone fully detached from reality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:20 PM
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I don’t think you know what the term ‘just world fallacy’ means if you think that’s what my statement is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:16 PM
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Tell me what you just told me for starters. That’s substance. And no, not really. The vast majority people who don’t want to be talked to are unpleasant when you talk to them. All this talk of shaming, accusations and so on either exist in the minds of creeps, or the minds of people who consumed too much fear mongering content and who’s idea of not creepy is still in fact creepy, because the men they take all their info from are themselves creeps
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:15 PM
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You’re asking me questions that show you agree with Op, but you’re not really addressing any of my points. The reason why I call your questions vague is because they aren’t providing any discussion and the most they account for is a “but why?” - which I’m happy to answer in context of a discussion, but if I’m detecting bad faith debating I’ll disengage
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:08 PM
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There are lots, it really sounds likes a you problem cause myself prior to transforming and many other men don’t run into the same issues you do
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:05 PM
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And do the women who say they hate it speak for women as a whole? And I mean…. It is creepy. There is a difference between going to a hobby group, seeing a person you’re attracted to, and talking to them vs going to a hobby group and hitting on every woman you find mildly hot
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:04 PM
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Cool, bring up actual arguments instead of vaguely placed questions
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:02 PM
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I’m beginning to think my taking of your comment in good faith was against my better judgment. Everything you’re asking is answered in my initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:00 PM
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And I literally also said you gotta be respectful about it, the other person shouldn’t be busy and just leave when ‘no’ is heard, seems like you’re taking in half the info I give you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:57 PM
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In the off chance you genuinely are talking in good faith, places where socializing is more the norm (bars, coffee shops, clubs, the park, social events, hobby groups, college cafeterias, shared classes *after or before said class, to be clear) are all great places to do assuming the person you’re approaching does not look busy, you’re respectful about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:55 PM
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It’s been talked about to death, and mentioned over and over and over and over again. Don’t play dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:53 PM
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Yeah you’re totally not bitter and resentful. Tbh 99% of what you’ve written is untrue for the majority of men. If you’re actively getting shamed and constantly fear accusations it flat out is because you’ve either done, or know you might doc something creepy. If you’re approaching women in places where it is generally socially acceptable to do so, are respectful about it and leave soon as you get “no” then the most you’ll get is an unpleasant response, and those aren’t akin to being accused of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:45 PM

Funny, cause a few weeks ago I could’ve sworn other men with RP related flairs said that women only have types, but men don’t. Kinda shows how baseless a lot of these claims are tbh Everyone has types, and the types can differ between one’s own individual wants. Your framing of “white, chizzled jaw, muscular, etc” is flawed inherently because some women indeed prefer someone who looks like that, others are indifferent, others hate it. However, men actively just don’t believe us when we say we li…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:32 PM
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Not necessarily, I mean jt prob shaves some points off the overall ‘passing score’ (for lack of a better term), but whether you pass or not is dependent on an accumulation of things. I’ve begun passing on occasion recently (and I do wear tank and crop tops), and I think the difference is my softer facial features, hair, makeup, body proportions and the fact that I don’t have lean or ripper muscle, I do have a layer of fat over so it does kinda add to the skin depth/softness. So I mean, as far as…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:06 PM
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I think - especially being a trans woman - there is this general expectation to overperform femininity to ‘prove myself’ but it just isn’t me, and I don’t like that because I am a lot more complex than that, but also I don’t like the butch label because I do enjoy femme stuff as well. Like sure, I’d describe my personality as ‘masc in a femme way’, but also, I don’t own any skirts, the only makeup I do is my eyes and foundation, I love getting dirty in hikes, I will touch gross shit, I talk like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:41 PM

This sub has reached a new rock bottom. One person promoting marital rape and calling it something else, and now somebody else promoting literal manipulation tactics to keep his wife “submissive and sexual” while promoting unhealthy dynamics. This is legit getting messed up. Next someone will promote DV calling it physical dominance or some shit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:36 AM
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So to sum your view up “as long as a woman is duped/coerced into marriage, her having sex even if she doesn’t want to is her level obligation because the existence of a contract trumps basic autonomy” Dude…..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:03 PM
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My argument is rape is wrong, and something mandated or put in a contract does not make it illegal. Lots of people make dumb decisions in emotional states and you are absolutely giving others leeway to take advantage of them, “it’s in a contract” is just code for “here is a ticket to creatively trick to someone into signing it”. So yeah, rape is wrong. Legally mandating it in a contract and giving it another name doesn’t really change that. The fact that this is even a debate here is honestly ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:52 PM
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Right, so someone saying “I agree to sign off my right to make a decision” therefore makes marital rape entirely legal and ethical? Oh wait sorry, it is contractual and given a different name, therefore it is not that LOL, okay, so “have sex with me or else face bad legal consequences” dude……..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:47 PM
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Okay, so in your mind, if someone is mandated - even if this mandates includes legal force (because that’s what this obligation is),then therefore ethics does not fit into the conversation? Does that mean that every law ever passed has therefore no reason to justify itself ethically? And “made an example” - what does that mean? You want to punish someone for refusing to have sex? Again, do you not see what you are advocating for?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:39 PM
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Let me rephrase my question, and I’ll take you step by step for this. When someone doesn’t want to have sex, but do so anyways because they are told they have to. Does that sound okay or ethical?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
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Okay. In this context, the legal advantage is that he gets sex because she is obligated to give him sex by law. When one doesn’t want to have sex, yet they do so because it is the law, what do you call that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:26 PM
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“To have some legal advantage” do you know what this is called in the context that it is (fully and rightfully) illegal? Why might it be called that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:23 PM
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“If marital rape was institutionalised and named something else, would you give your right to refuse away?” Wtf is this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:20 PM
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I also think the discomfort around sex as a concept is what’s driving this for a lot of people. A woman going fully explicit is still somewhat controversial in mainstream settings nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:26 PM
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True, though I’d argue the core basis of that genre is the male v female dynamic so it is a bit of an exception to the statement - and even then if you describe it as “beauty and the beast metal” that kinda does the job real well
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:24 PM
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Same, so far OP’s been dodging quite hilariously so he has to run out of excuses eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:40 PM
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I didn’t ask you to look up an entire band’s discography, I asked you to google sexual songs from these bands. I’ll even get started for you. Upon googling “sexual songs by Ghost” and you get Mary on a Cross, Jigolo Har Megiddo, Kiss the Go-Goat, Monstrace Clock, Umbra, etc You can google the rest… or look up the lyrics of any of these songs. It ain’t hard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:33 PM
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It really feels like you have a thing against women and black men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:26 PM
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No, I think you just don’t understand what lyrics mean. Peach is euphemism for ass, this is basic pop culture. Also you keep referencing Dark Horse. What lyrics are as explicitly sexual on that song to where you’d obviously undeniably see it where Peaches flew over your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:18 PM
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Famed pop band, Nightwish
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:17 PM
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You keep changing the goalposts lmao Look these bands up, google ‘sexual songs by (insert band here)’ and you’ll find stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:16 PM
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Fair enough, I guess then we are talking about the nuances on whether sexuality is a part of the narrative of the song or the point of the song. Which yeah, there is a difference for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:01 PM
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Again, I commented with modern bands in a different comment where you asked me. And this is to support my claim that it always has been sexual. Learn about the genre you claim to love, please
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:58 PM
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Seeing that your favorite band is rise against, it doesn’t surprise me that you have this opinion (yeah, I’ll judge you for it) - and in another comment I gave you a bunch of examples. Lots of the classics have strong sexual themes too. Rolling Stones, Van Halen, Aerosmith, nearly every hair metal band, Queen, Elvis and many others contain sexual themes in the music and even play into sexuality in their shows
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:57 PM
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Speaking of, I find a very good litmus test is to see if a man thinks “female vocals” is a subgenre of rock/metal
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:53 PM
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Peaches is literally about girls from George with big asses as well
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:52 PM
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You seem heavily focused on singling out black males. And yeah, while not all hip hop is pop - lots of mainstream hip hop fits into modern pop culture and takes from pop elements. Pop is more a blanket term than a true genre as pop in itself has actively adapted and changed with the times
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:51 PM
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Femaninomenon, Red Wine Super Nova, After Midnight, Casual, Hot to Go, Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl all have sexual themes from the top of my head. The Giver is also the obvious one (funnily enough my favorite Chapelle song) Now, it is true that they’re not sexualized the same way male gaze driven pop music is, but they’re still quite sexualized nonetheless
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:49 PM
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Half of Ghost’s discography, Sleep Token, Deftones, Type O Negative, Creeper, The Struts all off the top of my head. There is a ton more
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:47 PM
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Obviously yummy is about good cooking and peaches is about the fruit, get educated
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:42 PM
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A lot of modern rock is about sex wdym lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:40 PM
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That’s another huge factor. A lot of male focused industry written pop music (especially boy band stuff, but also solo stuff) is heavily targeted at teenage girls, not adults
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:38 PM
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Drake is arguably as much pop as he is hip hop lol Most mainstream hip hop does cross over into pop tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:36 PM
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Chapelle’s lyrics can get quite sexual…. Though they’re also very very gay (which I’m all for, just felt like I needed to make this correction)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:35 PM
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This feels heavily cherry picked. Lots of male hip hop and rock music is sexual in nature. Especially hip hop can get extremely graphic at most and lots of desire for ass shacking and the act of sex most commonly. Most music made by men is quite sexual as well. Now, for pop music - a more accurate view of sexuality falls into a few categories. Pure tongue in cheek/humor (Sabrina), sexuality as part of lifestyle (Charli), male gaze driven industry control (Brittany, Ariana, Perry, etc - the major…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:30 PM
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It is especially funny when you say a mundane statement in a suggestive way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:26 PM
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I don’t consume euphoria and love island, but I’m not exactly innocent as I do love my sexual themes in music and I do love sexually as expression/art. I also think it works really well with humor But that being said, the short answer is because it is intimate, personal and fun. Like if we wanna talk about the ‘main’ mainstream topics, everyone talks about sex a ton - even straight men, but if the alternative is hustle culture, cars, money, etc - that shit bores me to oblivion. I also think it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:43 PM

Because to many women, what’s physically attractive in the sense of what’s on front of them vs what they get off to in porn tend to differ greatly. Lots of straight porn - to put it bluntly - is boring and is interested in treating women as a thing to be fucked rather than mutual pleasure, for example. Another example, sexuality as far as the physical experience vs the imagination based experience have been shown to differ in multiple ways. For example, some women do have the fantasy of being gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:01 PM

Here is the thing: you’ve created a logical trap. You’ve essentially either made every mode of attraction gender neutral or have fully invalidated it. Also, ‘femininity’ and ‘masculinity’ are not exclusive to gender. They’re forms of expression, but not gender exclusive. Now, a part of it is physical. But you replied to that with “what about tall athletic women” - In which case, why aren’t most straight men attracted to femboys? And for those in the transphobic persuasion, why are many men - who…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:47 PM

No, I’m gonna disagree with this. I’m queer and primarily date women, for the record. Most women are straight and are primarily attracted to men, a lot of is it to with physical features (not necessarily ‘attractive Chad’ but also think things like body hair, thicker skin, the lack of breasts), vocal cues, the presence of certain body parts, and even personality in context to how it ties into all this. The same personality can be perceived very differently with a male v female body, and that’s s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:39 PM
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The reason why I accuse what you’re doing as a threat is because you’re framing it exactly how people frame ultimatums Also, who’s saying they should be? Like your comments feel like they’re replying to someone who thinks gender roles should be enforced on someone but what people are literally telling you is that the way you frame it is the problem, not what you’re literally saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:29 AM
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It genuinely sounds like you’re avoiding giving me a real answer. I’m gonna ask you again, why did you feel the need to actively re-assert that if women aren’t traditional, the same applies to men? help ne understand why you framed it in such a way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:05 AM
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OP is saying the entire idea of American traditionalism is based off fabricated, largely artificial ideals. I also don’t see how “yes, women don’t have to be traditional and men don’t have to. Cool?” As a response process really adds anything. Again, it sounds more like a warning than nothing genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:03 AM
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So why actively re-assert it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:00 AM
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I guess what I’m trying to understand is, why are you actively repeating that men don’t have to bread winners like you’re waving a threat or making a warning? Like yes, men absolutely don’t have to be traditional, most people replying to you agree - though the focus isn’t on the point itself its the why. Why do you feel the need to repeat this so astutely like someone is saying men have to be traditional?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:48 AM
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I don’t doubt the similarities, but we are talking about a full blown movement impacting tens of millions of young men (and boys) vs someone who was viral for a little bit and has kinda fallen off the radar
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:28 AM
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Kinda, but not really - you have to go down a long list to where a million pops up and to add to this, if you’re comparing one person to a whole ass movement that’s full on mainstream, this person that most people replying to this thread have never even heard of kinda draws scrutiny towards the comparison. Also her posts get between 500 and 15k likes for the most part despite the million followers. Engagement just isn’t on her side
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:27 AM
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Exactly - even in a good faith context the comparison just doesn’t hold
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:05 AM

Not with that attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:43 PM
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For one thing this SheraSeven lady is a single content creator whose most popular content is a decade old, and she’s never cracked a million views. In fact she’s only reached over 400k once. TRP is a full blown ideology coupled with a multi-million dollar industry, influencers that can sneak their way into any algorithm and is something most people at least know of
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:25 PM

I was absolutely being sarcastic too because I know exactly what you’re talking about and asking, though I was pointing out if that was what you wanted, you would’ve done that Instead you’re using “if I was (insert gender here) life would be easier” and your basis for it is entirely self victimization. Like this is prime woe is me content
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:21 PM

So is it about being a woman? Or is it about specifically being an attractive woman int our view? Cause you said only “life as a woman” soooo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:15 PM

As the old saying goes, if you wanna be a girl, you can be a girl. What’s stopping you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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So wait, a dude got up for a woman to sit, and you gave him a whole ass word salad and he agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:06 PM
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In all fairness a lot of the popular female dating tactics are pretty awful too. Also, things like female dating strategies and these mind games and so on have become less popular among women over the years - TRP has become a lot more popular to where it is full on mainstream. To add to this, TRP pushed further than psychology and reinforces messy norms, at this point it isn’t just “how to manipulate women” but also the fire they women are inherently manipulable and can be figured out like code.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:16 PM
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Cool. At least you’re consistent. In which case, I still disagree. Because when describing the potential for predatory, sexually imposing or problematic behavior, we aren’t singling out men who have already performed said acts. What is explicitly being said is that literally any random man could sexually harass someone, assault someone or worse. Yes, most men don’t actually commit these acts but nearly every woman has had an experience of at the very least being sexually harassed, and the threat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:48 PM
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I literally explained how. You’re trying to connect ‘men’ to in the same realm as phrases like ‘girls’ or ‘females’ when it felt out isn’t. How do you feel about men who make all kinds of content, and comment on this sub actively talking about women as a single continuous hive mind? AWALT is one part, but also there is a long paper trail of men actively framing women as having no agency and as being slaves to biological instincts only. How is that any different from everything you spoke of?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:34 PM
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Is all you have is copy-pasting the same answer? I read your post. It fully relies on false equivalencies. It “blurs the line” the same way men actively generalize women’s behaviour via content (which trends to get extremely viral to the point of being everywhere) that make grandiose claims about how women behave. Again, you’re narrative building on false equivalencies because in all reality, this idea sounded nice in your head but had nothing to actually support it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:22 PM
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I call myself a trans woman, not a trans girl or a trans female. There is a reason for this. To add to this, words do indeed have power - ‘girl’ has historically been tied to infantilising and ‘female’ has historically been tied to dehumanization (in particular that of the incel variety) - and tbh I even think those are contextual. Like there is a difference between ‘girl’ as in ‘girlfriend’, a person (regardless of gender) using it in a light hearted context or a woman calling herself or her fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:00 PM

Oh my bad, I meant to say “I’m not saying you’re doing this” - thought I put ‘not’ in. I’ll get it fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:00 PM

I will admit, while it is absolutely important to have friends of both genders and to maintain a varied and well rounded world view, I’ve grown more weary of “make more female friends” as dating advice because it very quickly falls into your usual dating scheming and means to an end style thinking. To be clear I’m not saying you’re doing this - I don’t know if you are or aren’t, but I am saying I’ve seen it be used as advice to be a means to an end before and I feel it feeds into the same issue:…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:30 PM
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How long ago was the man v bear thing? Lmao I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: the man v bear debate has done irreparable damage to the psyche of men in this sub That all being said, it’s been explained a thousand times at this point. The point of man v bear is to say that a random man in the woods is more likely to approach you, and even assault you than a bear is likely to attack you. Bears are predictable, and usually a bear wants to be left alone. When bears attack, they feel threa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:26 PM
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And for every person like you, there are many others who got screwed over doing this. Assuming ya’ll stay good in the long run (and I hope you do), you shouldn’t promote your experience as the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:21 PM
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I know exactly what you’re saying. That’s what I am specifically responding to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:02 PM
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Yes, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:02 PM
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Because ‘financially dependent relationships’ are inherently not the most secure, especially if you’re not married. By being a stay at home partner at all times, you’re essentially sacrificing your own future for what is perceived as the present. What happens if the relationship doesn’t work out and your partner is working while you’re not a decade or so later? You’re not independent, you’ve been out of work for so long and tbh you’re making it real easy for someone to be controlling. I think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:47 PM
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“Why don’t I find that women in the USA automatically give me the strong and powerful treatment I feel entitled to?” Fixed it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:43 PM

It’s an upgrade imo - if your hairline is seriously thinning/receding, embrace the baldness, I do think it is a better look and idk, acceptance of this is attractive Like I prefer my men with hair but also, bald over balding literally any day
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:47 AM

By all means, wear lifts or a toupee, but they do just scream ‘I’m very insecure about myself’ once found out and if that’s how people perceive you, then so be it, live with that. I think the difference between them and makeup is that while makeup can be hard to cover up insecurities and act as compensation, that isn’t necessarily the case since 99/100 times you can obviously tell someone has makeup up. Like yes, she doesn’t naturally have red lips or Smokey eye lids. No shits. Of course, some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:46 AM
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I’m sure this is the case for some people, but it isn’t universal. I guess it can be a generalization in that this is why women with low self esteem want confident men, but also you can’t run with the baked in assumption that only women with low self esteem want confident men therefore it can be a generalization for an entire gender. And no, it isn’t about someone else making the decisions. It is because a confident person is sure of themselves and knows what they want. That’s attractive. People…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:19 AM
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Literally nobody is trying to deny the other the right to be rude. Be rude, but also being rude has social consequences which include those you are rude to not wanting to associate with you. And I mean yeah. Self regulate how long you look at someone. If you’re not able to think “hmmmm maybe staring at this person beyond a quick checking them out will make them uncomfortable. I’d better stop” is too difficult a concept for one to grasp, then this person absolutely deserves to be socially ostraci…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:13 PM
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I mean if children stare is it not the job of their parents to tell them and teach them not to? Now I will agree it is setting dependent. Don’t dress in a way that might push boundaries in settings with dress codes (like the workplace, funerals, religious settings, etc), but also outside of spaces like these it is kind of the responsibility of the individual to not look and parents to teach their kids to not look. And cool, you don’t stare. Awesome. We are talking about staring, not looking. Gla…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:55 PM
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That doesn’t really answer my question though. I am asking you how can you make a judgment of one’s character based off what they’re wearing Also it astounds me how much you’re defending being totally okay with making others uncomfortable.i get that nothing is legally stopping you, but why do you feel so strongly about stating at people?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:30 PM
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You can absolutely see potential personality traits by the way one dresses, but I don’t see how one dresses can tell you about the quality of their character - their core values, their treatment of others, their views on sexuality/gender, what they believe to be right or wrong. How can judge one’s quality of character - not their personality - by their outfit? Of course there are occasional cues. Like if they don’t take care of themselves that’s one thing, but we are talking about the realm of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:26 PM
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I think they absolutely are because while you owe nobody anything, being decent to one another and just trying to be a good person is a statement of character. How you dress says nothing about the quality of your character, choosing to actively state because there is nothing legally blocking absolutely is. Again, if you wanna be a creep by all means, but also people will distance themselves from you for it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:07 PM
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You’re right, and I’m saying if people find the person staring to be offputting and choose to avoid them or label them as creepy (which yeah - that behavior is uncomfortable and creepy), then others will be bothered, label them as creeps and tell others to steer away. If you wanna stare; that’s your right but it is also everyone else’s right to view you negatively for this or to be made to be uncomfortable around you for this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:59 PM
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And only one mentions ‘ingrained’ - which I think is kinda really very important here because when misogyny is often talked about, it is as much systemic as much as it is personal. A lot of it relies on habits/beliefs/behaviors fully viewed as just normal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:37 PM
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100% - nobody owes you anything. If you want to keep staring, that’s your prerogative, but also you have to be okay with people viewing you as a creep for this behavior as well. If you’re okay with being viewed as a creep who women would rather avoid, that’s entirely your right - but also, don’t complain that others are uncomfortable around you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:29 PM
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So what you’re saying is, how a person dresses would prevent you from treating them just like anyone else? You’re going awfully close to victim blaming towards SA victims here that I have to assume that “what is she wearing” is something you internally ask yourself. It is okay to look at someone and be attracted to them, but if you can’t control yourself, if you can’t stop staring, if you start emotionally attaching it to their character or how they might conduct their relationships then that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:27 PM
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“Integrated prejudice” is key here. You just glossed over that very casually lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:22 PM
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No?…… what causes misogyny is the fact that men have felt historically entitled to women’s bodies, reproductive rights and preferences as far as what we want to do with our lives. Yeah, there are women who are indeed awful, and some forms of feminism that are harmful as well , but also misogyny isn’t about women being disliked or hated. You can absolutely love women and still be misogynist and in fact many misogynists do in fact either love women or are indifferent about women and yet are indeed…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:20 PM
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Wanna throw in actual examples of what you’re talking about? All you’ve done was throw accusations and statements and then proceed to talk about how men are the victims cause they get their feelings hurt. People can’t respond to your argument if all you’ve got is arguments with no basis
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:38 AM
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Oh look, more “hypergamy means whatever I want it to mean” - preferring a slightly more expensive, perhaps richer beer is, in fact, hypergamy as well
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:14 AM

….. and in creative/fun dates you get closer, have fun togther and get to know each other. What do you think happens after a date where you genuinely have fun? You start opening up to each other and getting know each other lol To be clear a creative and fun date should NOT be a means to an end, I think that is a good way to set yourself up for failure, but what I am saying is having fun together is a bonding experience and a low stakes way to show your fun/easy going side
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:12 AM
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And this fits as a response… how?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:04 PM
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“Mostly” is the key term. If you’re a woman travelling alone, the risk of being trafficked does increase quite notably than when you’re with friends or family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:02 PM
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I was a man for 31 years. I was and at dating at first, then I got okay at it, then I got decent at it. I’m not gonna say I was ever “good” at it, but I’ve had some relationships/situations, dated semi frequently and so on. Of course, it took time and lots of trial and error and figuring out what worked As a woman I’ve only just begun dating recently. Although I really stopped dating conventionally - instead of actively seeking it out I kinda run it on vibes and just see what happens. I find tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:59 PM
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60-64% of sex trafficking cases happen in Eastern Europe wdym
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:54 PM
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Women rely a lot more on community than men, and men often don’t see value in even maintaining active and various friendships. Men have been told to reflect on that but more often than not, it’s been met with denial and deflection. Of course, men absolutely should be more open to community with each other, but that takes a long unlearning process. For women, being friend with/close to other women is about safety in numbers - and in particular in Eastern Europe the sex trafficking concern is real…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:53 PM
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I’m gonna be honest, that doesn’t sound like a ‘people’ problem, that sounds like a you problem. I don’t mean to sound mean saying this, cause I do genuinely say it in earnest and in good faith - have you talked to a professional about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:26 AM
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So do you hang out with no one? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:25 AM
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Here is the thing, and I’ve noticed this quite frequently: the only people who seem to actively have trouble making friends with those they are attracted to are straight cis men who exclusively spend their time around other straight cis men. Sure, some straight women believe they can’t but I believe they can’t be friends with the opposite gender but they are far less than men. If bisexuals and people attracted to the same sex, as well as most cis straight women can be friends with those they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:21 AM

Kinda, but not exactly. Historically men have positioned themselves as the ones holding onto and controlling societal resources, which actively prevented women from gaining social and economic independence. As such, women historically had very little choice - either be with a man or live a life that is far more unsustainable. Now, however, this is less so the case - as such men don’t really have to be resource providers to bring companionship, however, fit and chemistry begin to matter a lot mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:06 PM
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Luckily that’s not true. That being said, if it were - then I’m glad such a greedy/destructive species would be gone. Luckily Though, most humans (including most men) are not that cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:42 PM
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Then it sounds like you have some acceptance and re-evaluation to do cause none of these would happen. I mean going the fascist route is, but most people are kinda against that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:35 PM
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Nevermind the fact that your solution for men are laughably unrealistic too
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:27 PM
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So all of which range from straight up taking anti-human rights positions and essentially becoming a fully restrictive borderline fascist state, or a comically unrealistic solution that shows a severe lack of understanding of economics and human psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:03 PM
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Soooooo what solutions might be proposed?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:43 PM
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“This post is descriptive. Therefore I have absolved myself of all judgement” is not a claim you can make when your entire post relies on judgments… and not even accurate ones. I think what often happens is men hyper fixate on what’s many women’s ideal partner but fail to see that ‘ideal’ in itself isn’t a standard. The vast majoriry of women who date men don’t date men who are rich, tall, on top of the social hierarchy, whatever. That’s really all you can say here cause when you keep insisting …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:13 AM
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I wasn’t questioning the study, I was questioning your use of it. Thing is you can use studies to justify literally anything, the details matter a lot more than what the abstract says
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:13 PM
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You’ve missed my point entirely then. I know you didn’t mention violence, but what I am saying is “you want equality? I’ll be mean to you too” is akin to men who say “equality means I can hit women now” - it is the same thought process
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:06 PM
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Right so immediately I had to google the title for he study cause you’re relying on a summary that leads to a paywall. To add to this, the study makes no mention of methology or how they conducted this, what the men said, what the men were wearing, or how they signaled their wealth
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:05 PM
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When one says “this has x energy to it” it does not mean you literally said it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:59 PM
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And this is based on what? Dating app data? Who’s “they”? Do you have the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:19 PM
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And society so happens to run under patriarchal values where men actively police each other. Funny
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:18 PM
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Except I didn’t argue that. What I am saying is richer people are more likely to present the image of kindness/respect. “The image of” doesn’t mean “actually are” and a lot of it is external behavior, not internal values. And we already know that people who speak more cleanly, groom well, dress nicely and so on are perceived as better - and this goes beyond gender lines. Rich people happen to be more well spoken and tend to take better care of themselves physically. So again, this doesn’t transl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:16 PM
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I often think there is a disconnect here. You can be masculine and not uphold traditional (ie. Conservative) gender roles at a wider societal levels
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:10 PM
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Sooooo correlation = causation now? Are you not factoring in things like presentation? Charisma? How someone might treat the other and how they might perceive that treatment? For example, an ugly woman doing the same behavior as an attractive woman is perceived as much worse. Is this because “all men are shallow and don’t care for character” or is it more complex than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:09 PM
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Do you think “women are all gold diggers” is the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:05 PM
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I guess what I’m trying to understand is, how do women as an entire gender add to this issue? And is the lack of media literacy of RP men reacting to what’s basically reckless unwise young people (cause that’s what TikTok and X discourse is) to blame on women? Or is it to blame on dumb young passionate people being young/dumb/unwise? Like at the end of the day, most RP reactionary content creators are men in their 30s and 40s taking the not the most educated and more emotionally driven content o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:51 PM
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In later comments I made it clear that incidental discomfort is not harassment and OP doubled down on the bad faith bit. Language has impact, his core argument is if you’re gonna make someone uncomfortable anyway then embrace it, and framing it as “he has to harass” is harmful rhetoric in that it loosens what the phrase means and it does reenforce rape culture. I don’t think I’m arguing in bad faith, I am calling out OP’s liberal use of the phrase ‘harassment’
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:54 AM
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I mean you literally explained in other comments how if you’re gonna make women uncomfortable anyway, even if accidentally, then that’s what it is and men should be okay with that. I’m literally telling you that incidental discomfort is not harassment and hardly anyone thinks it is. You’ve also never engaged with why I’m interpreting you incorrectly. All you’ve done is throw accusations and deflections
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:44 AM
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Oh I fully get the meaning of the post, and if it ended at “be confident and assertive. You might accidentally make someone uncomfortable and that’s fine” that’s one thing, but here you are embracing harassment as a phrase because…. What? An internet narrative grifters online formed about “OH well I guess approaching women is harassment now?!?!” I get what you’re doing. You’re doing the same thing the modern right did with “if you’re gonna keep calling me a Nazi, fine I’ll be a Nazi to you” and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:39 AM
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If your bar for “harassment” is risk of accidentally making someone uncomfortable then you either don’t know what the word means or are equating incidental discomfort with harassment… and somehow have turned it into embracing harassment as a phrase? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:32 AM
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Here is the a novel idea: if you’re approaching someone and they’re weary you’re probably doing something wrong. Many healthy relationships and hookups start with mutual interest, or making a respectful approach. If you have to basically approach someone, assert yourself onto them (even if subtly/socially), engage in some coercion then you’re being kinda rapey, and I’m not gonna sugar coat it. Even if you’re saying “you gotta harass” as a simple substitution for being assertive and confident, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:31 AM
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And yet dudes out here yammering on about “there is no such thing as rape culture” or “women shouldn’t worry about men approaching them” - when harassment is talked about this liberally, and even if just the terminology is used interchangeably - yeah, that kinda calls your character into question and it kinda does give us the right to be skeptical and even uneasy around men. “Not all men, but usually a man” exists for posts like yours
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:23 AM
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This has “oh equality? COOL I CAN HIT WOMEN NOW!” Energy to it How about ya’ll just….. but kinder to each other and not try to actively big dick one another? Just a thought
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:16 PM
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Read the previous message and figure it out
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:15 PM
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How about discourse on how we build so much of our views on speculation? And how creating a mirror image of that same view will show how baseless this kind of speculation can get?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:04 PM
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You’re taking pleasure in appealing to authority rather than engaging in discourse, aren’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:14 PM
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What’s the implication?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:04 PM
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Sometimes it isn’t even a fantasy or fear. Let’s not talk about what happens with Grindr during the RNC
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:41 PM
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Again, not shitposting - because there is a genuine real argument in there, though it is more in the meta of the argument. Is it playful in nature? Sure - but there is a clear point, and the comments themselves get into this far more genuinely
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:40 PM
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I’m a bi/homoromantic woman. So I am attracted to both but I primarily date women That being said. Straight people are straight (restless of gender) - my point was to mirror a lot of the “women are secretly lesbian” posts to show how ridiculous that line of thinking is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:33 PM
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Not a troll post at all. It is a display of structural inconsistencies within a line of argumentation. Is it meta? Absolutely. Have I been engaging with it genuinely? As you can see in the comments, yes I have
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:31 PM
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This post is very much dependent on knowing a lot of the recent discourse here. I want to be very very very very very clear. Straight people are straight, regardless of gender. However this isn’t actually speculating anything but moreso providing a mirror to a lot to the arguments that exist here already to show how ridiculous there articles are at their core. Like I guarantee you half the comments here calling this post ridiculous would make similar speculations about the opposite gender
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:20 PM
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Bingo. The idea was to show how dumb the entire thought process is. Straight people - regardless of gender - are straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:16 PM
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I do. Pretty frequently. My overall point here is to show how presumptuous these thought processes are - and imo if this offends you or if bothers you that my post does do that, then you’re partly target audience, because you see that my claims are ridiculous, you can identify that they are - but you don’t recognize that it is the very same thought process that fill a lot of manosphere spaces, so that might be something to think about
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:12 PM
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I mean… many posts make tons of assumptions about women and people here take them as fact. I am simply applying the same thought process to create the same logical conclusions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:05 PM
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Exactly. It is all speculation. This post is 100% designed to look and act like all these “straight women are actually lesbian” posts to show how ridiculous this line of thought is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:03 PM
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But straight trans people are indeed involved in straight dating dynamics because they are straight
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:01 PM
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And that post is one of many
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:59 PM
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I do agree, and most of my more serious posts do touch on these topics. Though after seeing SO MANY “women are secretly lesbians” posts on this sub I had to create a mirror image cause I wanted to see who’d see it and who’d miss it entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:59 PM
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Yeaaaaaa how I could I forget
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:51 PM
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TRUE how could I forget
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:51 PM
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Why is it laughable that a trans woman specifically is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:49 PM
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To be clear I totally agree. My point isn’t that this is how men actually think, though what I am doing is is applying the same logic to ‘straight male behavior’ To be clear I don’t believe straight men are actually gay. I am displaying the absurdity of the thought process
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:48 PM
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It isn’t ’low effort rage bait’ - I am simply making the same logical claims you see on this sub all the time, I mean men judge how women behave and what they’re into all the time using the same techniques, so this conclusion should be consistent with these thought processes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:51 PM
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But men make claims about how women think all the time. Why can’t women do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:48 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:47 PM
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What do the quotation marks mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:46 PM
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I mean lots of straight men know the secret thoughts of women. Why can’t I know? What makes me any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:46 PM
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Why am I not qualified?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:42 PM
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See? Immediately shutting it down. You’re hiding something
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:42 PM
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No most men are secretly gay
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:41 PM
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If it quacks like a duck, it is a duck
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:40 PM

For me personally? Employed (or on their way to employment), well groomed, not necessarily fit but not out of shape, fashionable/having style is def an important standard as well to me. You can’t just be “generic put together looking person” to me. You have to have some level of individuality and self expression
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:40 PM
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That then makes the mechanical act of ejaculation a need, not sex - which is why wet dreams and masturbation exist
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:35 PM

Not at all. Because I don’t think the average man is “fit, well groomed and well dressed” - wearing a dress shirt and combing your hair occasionally does not count lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:33 PM
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I was confused on what you were talking about, and of you’d turn this towards the usual trad stuff. These traits in themselves, when self possessed aren’t bad and are useful. However, the fact that men actively use them to describe “this is how women should be” is when it becomes a problem. This is why having these traits in itself isn’t weakness, but in the cultural context of things it kinda is, because ironically what you describe as strength are exactly what men describe as subservient (errr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:32 PM
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I’m confused…. Are you complain that most women aren’t doms?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:28 PM

Wearing a single dress shirt once in a while, being employed, occasionally being well groomed is not a particularly impressive standard to reach. I’m gonna leave out mentally stable cause most people - including women - are mentally stable. Men are legit falling for the same social media trends they saw teenage girls fall for a decade or so ago. This isn’t to make fun of anyone, but also the defensive denial and insistence that this is how the world works is getting tiring
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:26 PM
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True, I mean posts about looks based stuff get deleted all the time despite the most influential manosphere influencer being the literal king of looksmaxxers. I feel like that’s an elephant in the room can’t be discussed cause the mods would rather avoid the topic completely
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:21 AM
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The PPD mods showing their biases again. Repetitive posts based on a phrase I won’t say can get intellectualizes to death, but calling it for what it is will get your comment deleted. Post something genuinely compelling, but if it doesn’t nearly fit to a singe flair it gets deleted, or it gets removed cause it is framed as a rant (there are a couple of posts that were posted here which were genuinely contemplative and that could’ve gotten lots of great discussion, but they get removed before I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:14 AM
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So if a male doesn’t get sex he dies?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:07 AM
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I think lots of people’s view on the topic has been made very clear in the many many many many posts discussing this in the past couple of weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:05 AM
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Omfg this shit has become a mind virus. For the 90th time now, most women are not secretly queer or deep in the closet, if that were the case, queer women who actually did come out and who were once closeted would be able to more easily infinity with straight women, but alas, the world of straight women is very very diffent from that of queer women, even the closeted ones. At this point such content has to be spam cause every couple of days we see some version of “women are secretly lesbians”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:04 AM
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You mean…. A system (a little word with a P that ya’ll don’t like) that actively encourage men to be stoic and emotionally unmoving cause that’s how ‘men are supposed to be. Men are conquerors and leaders, men must make the hard decisions, men aren’t emotional like women’ Also, I never said men were born this way. However, you are relying heavily on revisionist history
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:32 PM
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Tbh I lose respect for anyone who forgives cheating, regardless of gender It also isn’t even about masculinity. It is about you communicating to me that you let your cheating partner walk all over you. It tells me you’re okay with being disrespected. It is very easy to not cheat, and your partner shouldn’t be forgiven for cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:00 AM
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Cool. Then open up to each other, please. Most men don’t even open up to other men and excuse it by “that’s just how men are”, and it is men who keep saying being vulnerable to a partner feels better, men keep making their feelings everyone’s problem, and men actively either find ways to externalize, or blame everyone else for their issues. This isn’t some “WoMeN ARe WOnDeRFulL” bs, this is all supported by real data. Men absolutely should open up each other and even mental health professionals …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:55 AM
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It was what you framed your post around through. With a title like “women have ruined cold approaching” then you talk about building a connection, you’ve framed cold approaching as connection building
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:20 PM
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You called cold approaching ‘building a connection’ - all it is is “this person is attractive. I will talk to them” - jf your primary drive is that they’re hot, while you certainly can and should build a connection with people you talk to, cold approaching - as colloquially understood - is not connection building
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:46 PM
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I find your language of “building a connection” incredibly disingenuous. “You’re hot. I will approach you.” Is not connection building, it is being attracted to someone. Also, the majority of women will agree that approaching is fine in appreciate settings, though “the gym or just about anywhere” isn’t unless you’re that good at reading social cues and both of ya’ll are clearly into each other. Like this feels like it should be the least controversial thing ever - and yet, cause you couldn’t act…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:09 PM
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Low birth rates are talked about non stop. However, it isn’t as big an issue as conservatives are making it out to be. The world is overpopulated, and the current economic climate (and the literal climate) just aren’t creating friendly conditions towards having families. Lonljness is indeed an issue, though that’s largely related to - once more - our economic climate as well as social media being as huge and isolating as it is. Sexlessness ties into this as less people meeting up = less people f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:41 AM
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And what exactly is the problem? That dating isn’t based around equality? why do you think something based around personal preferences should be build on equality? Or is it that feminists and many others want equal rights in most instances and dating isn’t one of them? In which case do you view dating another person to be similar to rights centred around the individual? Do you view dating similar to a material asset? Do you realize that the hypocrisy you claim to call out is not hypocrisy at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:31 AM
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Okay. Tell me how we get equality in dating. I know you said “I’m not proposing a solution” but also, if you just hear not presenting any substance other than “here are the problems. I have nothing else to add” it is then a rant, not a debate post. I see this a lot, manosphere dudes asking for equality in dating like dating is a material asset. Dating is inherently discriminatory entirely based on one’s preferences. How do you make it more equal without forcing people to date each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:33 AM
11

This is both the most pro man and anti man post I’ve ever at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:53 AM
2

And yet women are healthier than men overall, do you want me to get into the sociological drivers and history behind body expectations, beauty expectations and the role of gendered expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:24 PM
2

I mean it kinda is though. If you’re asking why women aren’t following said advice, and more women do as it is an active social expectation set on them from day 1 - it is very much a relative claim
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:21 PM
1

Yes I do. Cry about it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:20 PM
3

So - while women are slightly more likely to be obese than men, men are more likely to be overweight than women. More women take care of their skin than men, more women watch what they eat then men, more women socialize than men and rely on social circles more, women also live longer than men so I’m not sure what you’re getting at
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:14 PM
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Its quite literally the norm for women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:06 PM
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For one big the thought process that women and sex being the reward for your self impermanent is exactly what’s wrong from the get-go, do these things to improve your health, quality of life, social standing and overall satisfaction. If none of these satisfy you? You do you, but also if people aren’t into that that’s entirely their prerogative. Also, it is true the way we are raised impacts how we behave. However, many of us have to do a lot of this stuff later and figure it out as we go. You ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:03 PM
2

Yo I just got here lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:00 PM
2

Again. Show me the comment and I’ll probably tell you why. It either got buried, I got busy or I lost interest. And no, these aren’t random externalities. If your sexuality is defined by the biological sex you’re attracted to (which is basically the claim he’s making and the claim you’re making) then that therefore means a man sleeping with a burly hairy titless trans man with a vagina is also straight because he is biologically female. However admitting that would mean that your judgment is sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:15 PM
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And I have no interesting in calling you a male as you are a woman, and that’s that, I’m not your doctor nor your future lover so what you were born as and what you’re reproductively capable of is none of my business and not relevant to me, like at all. Though also, the debate on biological sex vs gender identity came up so I had to chime in
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:10 PM
1

Sure, but I do think ‘man’ and ‘male’ are different. Like you can be born male, but also be a woman or non binary. I do think the terms male and female are only truly very specifically useful and imo it doesn’t actually play a role in something like attraction. It could in actionable dating prospects (which is fair), but core attraction itself really doesn’t. Which is why I agree with you that using sex and gendered language interchangeably is a transphobic dog whistle, but also, I do think that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:03 PM
1

Fun fact - HRT actually can alter the size of your pelvic bone. Though that’s mostly cause that bone itself is designed to be malleable and adjust (hence why women’s pelvic bone changes size when pregnant) I’m not disagreeing with you to be clear, I actually think you’re mostly right. I’m just sharing a fun fact on the secondary sex organs changing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:57 PM
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100%, and we do biologically change quite a bit, but also we are basically overriding existing hardware which is still there at the end of the day in some form
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:53 PM
4

LOL you know what? I can respect the thought you’ve put into it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:52 PM
1

You’re going around in circles. Answering the question would’ve been easier. Though hey, if you wanna keep dodging go ahead, you’ve just shown us all how much you’re willing to avoid answering the question and are unwilling to engage in discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:50 PM
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That wasn’t my question though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:46 PM
4

Yeaaaaa a lot of dating discourse (or frankly trans discourse as a whole) tends to ignore trans men almost entirely, I do think that has a lot to do with viewing trans men as women and the associated psychiatry related thought processes to go with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:42 PM
1

You literally said straight men aren’t attracted to biological men. This means what one is born as determines how you view one’s attraction to them. You absolutely made it relevant by mentioning it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:41 PM
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Did I run away? Or did the comment simply get buried under others or I forgot to reply? If you lead me to it I can prob tell you why I didn’t reply That being said. I’m not “pressing the man for his preference” - I am pressing on his use of straight and how he’s contextualizing it. Believe it or not, you can be a straight man and not attracted to some, or even most women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:39 PM
1

You didn’t answer my question yet You actively dodging it isn’t doing you any favors
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:35 PM
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In all fairness, even though HRT does change your secondary sex hormones and even if you did have bottom surgery, you’re still biologically the sex you’re not as. That being said, that info is really only relevant in a medical setting and dating contexts tbh (like genital preferences, even if the genital is a post-op vs what someone was born with do matter) And you were right in an earlier comment. “Biological sex” is often used as a transphobic dog whistle though I feel the response shouldn’t b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:34 PM
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Why are you avoiding the question? Answer it. Under that view, a biological women dating a passing, beautiful trans woman who still has her penis is straight and a man dating a passing, burly, hairy muscular trans man who still has his vagina is also straight. Do you think this view accurately represents what straight attraction is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:27 PM
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Oh to be clear ‘fetishize’ =/= ‘want to date’ - moreso they just wanna fuck and end it at that. Though also often in this discourse people do tend to lump in ‘don’t want to date’ with ‘not attracted to’, so I wanted to make that separation clear
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:22 PM
1

I’m just saying… the attention clocky trans women get from straight men (particularly online, but even in person) says otherwise lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:17 PM
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You said “most of us are straight and don’t want to date a biological male” so it absolutely is relevant since you brought it up. Answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:14 PM
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So what you’re saying is, if a man is dating a hairy, muscular, burly trans man (ie. born a woman, transitioned into a man) who had top surgery (breast removal) and still has a vagina, that’s straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:04 PM
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And yet they’re happy to actively fetishize us Funnily enough I’ve seen trans women who pass report less attention from man then when they didn’t pass… gee, I wonder why
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:03 PM
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No… it is talked about all the time and a huge amount of trans women will speak up if we feel we are discriminated on for being trans. It is true that some cis (particularly straight if we are being honest) women try to dissuade men from dating trans women, but also straight men and their feared perception of being gay (even if that’s wrong) arguably plays a bigger role if not bigger, and that kind of social perception is primarily held by other men - and yes, it is true that both genders enforc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:59 PM
0

Clavicular is a joke who garners more pity than admiration. Also wasn’t it confirmed that he pays models to be around him? Also…. No shit hot people get treated better. The left has been talking about pretty privilege long before “thu blak pill” was ever a thing. Idk, way I see it is if a guy starts spouting this shit, the appropriate response is to ghost and leave
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:50 PM
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It is controlling because you are weaponizing intimacy and her feelings for you, like that’s really tall there is to say lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:31 AM
1

h u n t e r e y e s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:29 AM
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I think you’re almost there. One’s aesthetic matters in that their aesthetic choices can say a decent amount about them, but it isn’t just archetype - it also is about how you personalize that archetype. Like if you wanna go emo as an example, generic store bought emo will just make you look like a poser - to put it bluntly - but creative and personal about it. Take an ‘archetype’ that fits your personality and your interest, and learn how to express it in a way that fits you. That way people wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:10 AM
1

If that’s what you took away from this and that’s what you wanna believe, by all means
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:17 PM
1

Im not gonna talk about my friends’ personal issues online lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:14 PM
1

My friends and I have gotten into many personal convos which include unflattering opinions about themselves and insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:08 PM
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But like I said, my observation and experiences say otherwise. The observations of my friends say otherwise. Me saying my observations are different isn’t me saying you or your friend are lying. Again, what I am questioning is you believe your entirely anecdotal view means you can speak on the behalf of everyone else, including me and my social circles
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:03 PM
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I didn’t say she was lying. I don’t know her. What I said was how do you know this isn’t a reflection on her and her circle? In other words, she could 100% be honest - but she is revealing how she, and possibly how the people around her think. Her honesty is not in question here, your perception of her as the literal only viable source for our behavior is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:01 PM
1

Did I say this sub? I am asking you why do you think your friend was honest but keep insisting mine were/are dishonest
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:56 PM
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Okay, I’ll rephrase my question. Because we say lots of stuff that aren’t flattering to our gender, and women criticizing other women happens a lot (its just in ways men aren’t interested in) - what makes you think your friend was honest, but women who say otherwise aren’t? Like why do see what she says as a reflection of women and not her and her sphere (immediate and indirect) ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:52 PM
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So your basis for this is…. Assumptions? And what about my experiences prior to transitioning? Why does your experience with your one female friend hold more ground than my experiences with multiple female friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:46 PM
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“And some adult settings” And I’ve had many social circles with multiple women in them, even close friendships and at times more, and now I am a woman and seen as one of the girls (all these groups ranging from mid 20s to mid 30s)…. So I mean, if you wanna talk anecdotal experiences……………..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:41 PM
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This is indeed the case in high school settings and some adult settings, but many women do in fact grow out of it. Yes, there is a huge amount of petty jealous women, people are messy and flawed. But also, there is a strong support base despite this. Sure, the ones who are petty might claim support - but lots of women learn who to trust and who not to trust with time. There is a crazy amount of support in women’s spaces even if it isn’t universal - which is fine, universality is impossible. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:33 PM
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I mean…. Is it though? Movements that were wholly driven by fighting for women’s rights began with and are still maintained by women supporting each other, and every major stat will tell you women are better at making community with each other than men - and if you want something anecdotal, I can tell you I’ve had a lot more support from women since transition than I did from men when I lived as a man. Men are amazing at circlejerking, like truly - but ya’ll suck at mutual support and spaces tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:25 PM
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Yes, we talk about support frequently. And guess what? There is lots of support but also many women who don’t support each other as well…. I mean look at how feminism in itself is perceived differently scored women and how - guess what - more than 1/3 of white women voted for Trump, as an example. But the phrase “sisterhood” is hardly used. And what exactly am I in denial of?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:20 PM

Dude just stfu and clean your room
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:17 PM
1

This example feels weirdly disconnected to evening you were just talking about. You start off with “women don’t like sex” then talk about how women compete with each other for men…. It really sounds like both contradict. To add to this, there is a lot more ‘sisterhood’ talk amongst men. I don’t think I’ve heard that phrase used much outside of dude talking how they think women talk. I hang around a lot of activism and feminist spaces as well. “Sisterhood” is rarely used
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:15 PM
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So your view is… by relying on such generalizations you’re staying ahead of the curve? And have to form a whole “this is how women keep men completely” conspiracy to rationalize it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:46 PM
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Didn’t know she spoke for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:17 PM
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No…. No…. There is so much wrong here For one thing, you are directly feeding into messy gender norms and stereotypes that everyone - including many men - want to distance themselves from to some extent. Sex is not an indicator of the worth of a man. This is the immediate mindset that drives a lot of the redpill bs and I am happy that most women in this thread are disagreeing with you on this cause this is the kind of statement that make men attempt to imitate manipulative men. Also, I wanna pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:16 PM
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If dating was just raw numbers and the physical need to fuck only then women absolutely have an advantage cause men tend to be horny and have low standards overall. So of course if that’s all how you see dating you will view women as a ‘privileged’ class. This isn’t what people have an issue with when you question the whole ‘privilege’ debate in dating. The issue is this is viewed as all of what dating is to many men despite it being so much more in actuality
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:06 PM
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Right…. So how is it killing then? If it is ‘just a fetus’ why go through the whole moral script you just put out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:35 PM
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You said it. “Kill their children” - so in your framework, it is murder. Murder, even if a person doesn’t feel it - is a form of harm, even if fully painless. So once again I ask you, why are you okay with this from of murder? If it is murder is it not about the fetus’s life rather than the mother’s autonomy? Like you view it as wrong and killing, but you’re not okay with other forms of killing. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:31 PM
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So I guess this is where I wanna comment on your disconnect. To be clear I am 1000% pro choice, though I differ from you in that I don’t think being an embryo or a fetus defines life the way we understand it to be. I do hold my views on life from a philosophical lens and when you’re a fetus… your life isn’t really starting. Also growing up where you’re forced to, when you didn’t ask to exist, nor did your parents is a form of cruelty for everyone imo With that out of the way, now I wanna focus o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:24 PM
3

Didn’t know one’s experiences describe the species they are
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:09 PM
4

It’s been spoken of frequently and many women repeatedly say men need emotional outlets and to open up to their friends. That’s why the whole “2 best friends know nothing about each other” meme exists when describing many male friendships
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:06 PM
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We fully and completely understand this. This is literally what women have been fighting against for a century lmfao We don’t exist to further your story nor do we exist to just raise the kids. Thats exactly what women have been fighting against (and more women are independent than men now soooo) To add to this, historically things have very different. In many communities the children were raised by the entire community as a whole and maintaining the home was straight up physical labor. Work aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:59 PM
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I suppose it’s a step in the right direction. Problem is they’re making it everybody else’s problem and refuse to look at the system that put them there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:06 PM
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“I hate the phrase bare minimum. What do you mean I have to take care of myself, be fun and interesting to her, treat her well and have my shit together!”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:05 PM
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Eh, I guess. I do still think it is ridiculous that if you think a person is coping, you’re not allowed to say it on here. Like that’s absolutely what OP is doing no matter how much he intellectualizes it. Then again beef with the mods here ain’t new lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:41 PM
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Oh I know, I’m not disagreeing with you or anything. I’m just annoyed that the mods don’t have any sense of context and that somehow, words incels use is a problem but actual incel rhetoric isn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:13 PM
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So again… when someone is building this whole psychosocial shield to make up for the fact that they themselves aren’t getting sexual attention… is this not what one would describe as you know what? And how is it incel content? And everything in this core post isn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:59 PM
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I’m still bi, albeit less demisexual. I’ve also been hetroromanric as a man and now I’m homoromantic as a woman. So my sexuality in itself hasn’t really changed except for the fact that I’m more comfortable with sex conceptually. So what’s basically changed is how I feel arousal. It used to be more localized, quicker and more visually driven. I am now more into the vibe a person has, I kinda feel it all over my body and things like my erogenous zones have begun changing. For example I used to no…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:34 PM
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LOL okay are you kidding me? Point how how my comment is “cope” when OP’s whole post isn’t cope? I am not coping. I am accusing OP of coping. Big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:29 PM
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If your stance is “I don’t care whether this group has rights or not. I am neutral” - you are holding an anti-lgbtq+ stance because you’re basically saying “I don’t care what happens to them. They can have their rights removed or lost, and I’m fine with it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:28 PM

Oh, the simple answer is not every feminist movement is radical. And yeah, decentralization has its flaws - but I’ll take these flaws seeing how feminism in itself can also actively evolve into more inclusive spaces as well because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:27 PM
2

Again - how are you describing a neutral stance? Youre literally espousing anti-lgbtq rhetoric lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:22 PM
2

If you don’t think a human rights issue isn’t human rights then by nature you’re not neutral. If you think LGBTQ+ issues aren’t human rights issues, you are, in fact anti-lgbtq+ and a homo/transphobe lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:19 PM

Idk man, a lot of this reads like issues you might personally have while rationing the cope. Which if you wanna intellectualize your issues, by all means do so. But maybe do so internally without involving others in this fantasy? (Had to change the comment to remove the dirty dirty c word the mods really don’t like and have no ability to read context)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:16 PM
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“Men and women are different” in itself is not a TERF narrative nor do I think she was reducing women to a uterus. Attraction is felt differently between men and women, i mean…. Literally being on estrogen and T blockers I can def tell you that the way I feel attraction has changed in the past few months. I’m not even talking about what I’m intellectually into, I am referring to the physical sensations and feelings involved with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:14 PM
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Oh this isn’t bait. I am genuinely telling you not to cope via assuming the sexuality of others. There are many heterosexual women who are, in fact, sexually attracted to men. In fact, most women are. They might not feel attraction the same way you do - however you are physically attracted to men, and only sleep with men. Therefore they’re heterosexual. The reason why I call it cope is because it feels like a natural pivot from the whole “women lean lesbian” bit after it’s been explained to deat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:11 PM
1

Sure, but human rights isn’t “stuff” - and you didn’t actually answer my question btw. How can one be neutral on issues involving the rights of others? You either support the rights of others, or you don’t. I don’t see how you can hold a natural stance on this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:09 PM

Idk man, a lot of this reads like coping with issues you might personally have while rationing the cope. Which if you wanna cope, by all means do so. But maybe do so internally without involving others in your cope?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:03 PM

Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:02 PM

I mean…. TERFs have been socially aligning themselves with conservatives more and more, first wave was far less concerned with Marxism, second wave moreso but was still tired within the capitalist system, girlboss feminism is literally just capitalist feminism, religious feminists and monarchists tend to lean conservative. Now, there is a truth in how most feminist movements do align with the liberal side of things simply due to the default nature of conservatism aiming to preserve either the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:01 PM
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We’ve moved from “all women are lesbians” to “hetro and ace women are the same” Incredible
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:55 PM

“Give some of them back” you’re funny
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:44 PM

How can one be neutral on issues involving the rights of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:39 PM

With the left wing I’ll agree somewhat, as I don’t think capitalism and feminism are inherently contradictory (I say this as a leftist who leans somewhat anarchist btw), however, I would say if you’re anti lgbtq+, you’re a bad feminist even if you technically are one. Lesbians are valid, trans women are women, and non binary people who might be more femme identifying people all belong in feminist movements. You can disagree with this and be a feminist, but also there is a such a thing as a bigot…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:35 PM

Feminism in itself a big complex world of various decentralized movements who often dislike each other. They all hold the common belief of achieving quality for the sake of liberation but the how, why and reasoning tend to differ greatly. I’ve spoken about this before - but TERFs are a group who I would consider feminists despite them wanting me dead and despite me hating their guts fully. Girlboss feminism is a capitalist take on feminism that’s about empowering (often white) upper class women …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:32 PM

You’d be surprised. There are many pro life feminists, monarchist feminists, I mean even TERFs have right wing social leanings despite being feminists themselves. Feminism isn’t a single coherent movement. It is a group of movements that hold a common core belief, but the differences differ greatly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:26 PM
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Oh please, guys have types. Your bar is simply largely universal. Which would’ve been fine if not for the whole “women have types. Men don’t” bs, and I’m not even gonna get into your blackpill nonsense bit in the end
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:33 PM
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I don’t think people “create” types. Types kinda just…. happen based off your interests, what you might want to see in others, what things you might find appealing, some values you might have, videos you’re driven towards, emotions modes that speak to you and so on. Often they’re subconscious I also say ‘people’ cause I do think gender isn’t very relevant to having a type. Everyone has at least one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:24 PM

If my choices are to be ‘ruthless and despicable’ or sleep with someone who doesn’t bring an exciting and fun experience, then I’d rather be ruthless and despicable lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:50 PM

Let’s put it this way: men are more likely to want sex for the sake of just getting off. Women are more likely to want sex as a far more sensory, all around experience. Like let’s put it this way, to many women, the lead up to the sex is a lot more important than it is to men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:47 PM
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For one thing TRP has a history of actively treating women like interchangeable assets without agency. Women act due to ‘female nature’ and not due to individual agency according to TRP. To add to this, TRP teaches men to treat women like objects. “This one is for fun, this one is for baby making. Don’t expect much else” that kind do thought process. And I mean…. There are manipulative aspects, such as dread game, playing hot n cold, negging, using availability as an asset, flaunting and coercio…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:22 AM
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That’s a very charitable way of framing men who’ve actively treated women as rewards for good behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:24 AM

So I went through it on insta. There are also lots of comments saying the teacher is hot…. Usually by dudes so that’s already a factor. I couldn’t find it on. YouTube though and I don’t have x Funnily enough the first person who I saw call out the SA was a woman. The reason why I bring it up is because this is a weird double standard that ultimately exists that hurts men for sure, but it born of women not being taken seriously to where even threatening women are taken lightly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:36 AM

It certainly wasn’t funny (like it just flat out is just funny) and yes, female teachers assaulting male students does not get the negative response it deserves - but mind you, the cultural norm is “lucky kid” or “I wish she was my teacher”, and while that is becoming less popular, it is still prevalent. That being said, I’m curious where these thousands of comments are? It just feels like you’re making a claim of a recent skit without much bearing. Like thousands you say praise it. Who are thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:11 AM

The problem is ‘blue pill’ applies to everyone from egalitarian liberals, to TERFs, to leftists, to ‘personality first’ conservatives and so on. The standard for “blue pill” is very low so no, people called “blue pill” are in fact just everyone who aren’t red or black and we tend to disagree on a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:35 AM
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I love that your title says “talk to” but the body of your post says “approach” And no, wanting to look good and show it off, nightlife (???????) and dress how how you want isn’t ’advertising’ yourself because - to put it bluntly - there is a ton that women do that isn’t for men’s attention. I do think a lot of this is projection cause many guys do base their entire being around attracting women, therefore women MUST do the same thing… right? But above all. If you want a trad woman, be a trad ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:32 AM

Sir you keep promoting your YouTube channel here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:11 PM
0

In all fairness when most men talk about traditional gender roles it isn’t in a “you’re allowed to do this” kinda way, it is in a “a woman can work, but her first priority should be the home”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:10 PM
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