The radfem conquest of Sweden

3 seconds of dick on mouth is not having sex- and I am not proposing that sex with sleeping people is always ok. I am arguing that initiating sexual contact does not, in all cases, require prior consent- especially in relationships.

If you would like to propose this standard for defining rape- go ahead- Most people won't agree with you- although I would love to see the look on your face when the new Rape Statistics were released after this hard-line of consent was in place- many people would be astonished at the number of female rapists and predators.

I understand your point on the level of "We need to be more explicit about consent, because these misunderstandings can have real consequences"- But re-defining what is and is not acceptable in the bedroom will do nothing to prevent or discourage (malicious, predatory, not-involved-in-a-long-term-sexual-relationship-with-the-victim)rape and only give rapist more reason to think "It wasn't real rape- everyone rapes at some point- its no big deal"

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But re-defining what is and is not acceptable in the bedroom will do nothing to prevent or discourage (malicious, predatory, not-involved-in-a-long-term-sexual-relationship-with-the-victim)rape and only give rapist more reason to think "It wasn't real rape- everyone rapes at some point- its no big deal"

But having it defined so it's not rape isn't going to make rapists thing, "Well, obviously this is a totally acceptable thing to be doing, it's not as if it's illegal or frowned upon or anything."?

3 seconds of dick on mouth is not having sex- and I am not proposing that sex with sleeping people is always ok. I am arguing that initiating sexual contact does not, in all cases, require prior consent- especially in relationships.

Penetration, for any amount of time, is something that should require consent, especially explicit consent.

Basically, here is my view on how the world should operate, as provided by the excellent Cliff Pervocracy: http://pervocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/consent-culture.html

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We just disagree on where the line between "harmless shenanigans between consenting adults" and "rape" lies- I am actually in favor of what this judge did in this case- he was presented with hard evidence that the act happened- it was proven that dude did put himself on his girlfriends face. You can't be given hard evidence of that and then throw the case out- it would send the message that that sort of conduct is always ok- so he gave a light sentence and light fine.

I am curious if you would agree I was sexually assaulted if a girl shoved her hands down my pants while we were making out- I agree with about half of those points with consent culture but the fact remains that some people do not like to ask/be asked when it comes to sexual consent- that does not make them rapists it just means they prefer to communicate non-verbally.

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The timing of when it was reported is not the issue. The issue is that she continued to be with him willingly and have consensual sex after the "rape" occurred. This will never happen in the case that what I call a real rape has actually occurred.

I just don't agree with the modern (post-feminist) definition of rape. Rape should fit the old-fashioned stereotypes. Rape is violent and/or forced, or by threat of violence. Rape between intimate partners should only exist when it was clearly violent/forceful and there is evidence for it. Any other "rape" between innocent partners is bullshit and should be treated as such.

I don't care if it's men or women. If you're continuing to willingly live with your rapist, then you are consenting. To claim innocence in this case is a denial of your responsibility as an adult. At the very least, you know which gender will have their rape claims in these cases taken seriously, and which won't.

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Wrong. Here's the deal I hate modern feminism and srs and all the bullshit about how women deserve shit because they used to get treated bad. But some people don't have options and some people have messed psyches. You presume innocence. You presume the lack of force or coercion. You presume consent because someone who was raped didn't have the wherewithal to get the fuck out.

People willingly live with their abusers all the time. Men willingly live with gold diggers and then come crying to this sub when she bleeds them dry during a divorce.

Rape is rape. If you don't want sex and you say no and you have never taken part in a sexual rape fantasy there's no confusion. If you wake up and a dude is shoving his dick in your mouth and you never said it's ok to do that shit while you are sleeping it is at least sexual assault. If a person you love sexually assaults you while you are sleeping and you don't get him arrested the next day it is still sexual assault.

I don't think anyone on this sub feels rape should fit the old stereotype because they are trying to get it to include men who are raped. This sub was all about the german fellow who was locked in a woman's apartment but had sex with her every time she ask until he could have escaped. By your definition since there was no violence he was not raped. The cops had no recourse. By your definition he was consenting unless he put his hand over his dick and curled up into a ball until she went and got a gun.

This sub wants sperm jacking to if not be rape at least have the same legal footing. There is no violence in sperm jacking so under your definition no sexual assault has happened when clearly it has.

Rape is rape. Women don't deserve the only protection for it but making excuses for rapists is lame.

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By your definition he was consenting unless he put his hand over his dick and curled up into a ball until she went and got a gun.

By my definition, that is rape because it IS forced. He was locked in against his will and had no choice.

I have to still disagree with you. If my girlfriend decided to sit on my face while I was asleep, that would not be the same as a stranger jumping out of the bushes and raping me out of the blue. It should not be the same crime. Perhaps that opens the door for unpleasant sexual experiences between partners, but so what? Those things happen. Sorry if I'm sounding insensitive, but they do! Making those things not a crime would be a small price to pay for reducing false rape claims.

Only exception I would make would be when intimate partners attempt to become/make someone else pregnant without the others' consent.

But boyfriend's dick in her mouth as she sleeps? Oh boo-hoo go call the cops. /s

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Title	The radfem conquest of Sweden
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	34
Comments	93
Date	July 19, 2012 7:17 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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