Hey MR, have you ever felt allied with somebody on some of these issues despite them being a feminist?

frankyb89 · 2011-08-18T16:39:52+00:00

It happens. I think it's pretty rare to disagree about absolutely everything with someone, just like it's rare to agree about everything with someone.

IncrediblyFatMan · 2011-08-18T16:24:46+00:00

Well... sort of.

Christina Hoff Sommers, for example, who was disowned by the mainstream feminist regime for actually caring about the equal treatment of men and pointing out where and how the mainstream feminist establishment has stepped over the line.

That's pretty much the only example I can name, though.

AnnArchist · 2011-08-18T18:03:14+00:00

Abortion for one. Thats a mens and women's rights issue like it or not.

Some feminists support gay rights. I'd say I'm an ally there.

HolyCounsel · 2011-08-18T16:34:28+00:00

Many times, and on many different issues.

For example, there are many prominent women who identify as feminists but are rejected by the larger Feminist community - Christina Hoff Sommers, Camile Paglia, Wendy McElroy. Warren Farrell was also a leading feminist.

Many people who declare themselves feminists are simply expressing the idea that they fight for gender equality. Most of /TwoXChromosomes is of this kind, and attempts to crosspost men's rights issues over there usually result in broad agreement. They may not know men's issues as well as we do here, but they are not our enemies.

After three decades of arguing with Feminists, however, I have never yet encountered one who could be reasoned with. As soon as I hear "patriarchy", "privilege", or "oppression", I know that talking is useless and move on to more productive activities.

2011-08-18T17:25:52+00:00

My aunt is a hippy feminist. I think it can be interesting artistically. Feminism was also a big part of the child abuse research, research which is not all bad. Basically I can get behind feminism as an emotional, literary or artistic movement, just not as a popular or political one.

LemonArsonist · 2011-08-18T21:33:42+00:00

Sure, it's easy to agree with plenty of issues feminists bring up, but there already exist plenty of established organizations and institutions that are already addressing or can be brought to address these issues. No such institutions and paltry few organizations exist to address issues MRAs bring up, thus why I believe "feminism" (really these organizations and institutions that push a feminist agenda) get attacked so often here.

If a rag-tag group of fathers' rights activists lobby for default equal parenting, but NOW lobbies against it and wins, do you feel MRAs are justified in disliking the "feminism" mentioned above?

2011-08-18T17:37:16+00:00

I don't think what individual feminists think is all that relevant, they just get in the way of our challenging feminist governance. When the catholic church needed to made accountable, we didn't go to the faithful, we publicized the problems and went to the top.

2011-08-18T21:52:28+00:00

No.

Feminists hate me, I'm a man.

thingsarebad · 2011-08-18T16:18:13+00:00

ThePigman · 2011-08-19T02:03:17+00:00

It happens once in a while. But then, i like some of Hitler's watercolors, but he was still scum.

LordUnderTheMountain · 2011-08-18T18:51:30+00:00

Naw, because if I allied they'd just try to convert me bro.

Title	Hey MR, have you ever felt allied with somebody on some of these issues despite them being a feminist?
Author	AHumanThatListens
Upvotes	7
Comments	34
Date	August 18, 2011 4:09 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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