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80 years old alimony objector goes to prison out of principle - He was still paying alimony to an ex- wife 38 years after the original divorce.

eyeofthestorm

January 7, 2010
91 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://jacksonville.com/news/columnists/terry_dickson/2010-01-07/story/south_georgia_man_went_to_jail_out_of_principle
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Title 80 years old alimony objector goes to prison out of principle - He was still paying alimony to an ex- wife 38 years after the original divorce.
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eyeofthestorm

Upvotes 91
Comments 31
Date January 7, 2010 11:53 PM UTC
(16 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/amwtr/80_years_old_alimony_objector_goes_to_prison_out/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/80-years-old-alimony-objector-goes-to-prison-out.1051284
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Comments

[–]zoomzoom83 26 points27 points28 points 16 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I fail to understand why a Man should be forced to pay a Woman money just because they were once married.

Why is he paying her, and not the other way around?

[+][deleted] 16 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What would happen these days after a divorce where the man was the dependent?

[–]mads-80 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They'd get alimony, but about 10% of what a woman would get in the same case.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So much for equal rights, eh? :(

[–]BitterDivorcedDad 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called "Prostitution", son.

Women are weak and helpless and would never ever physically or emotionally or sexually abuse anyone, much less their husbands or their children.

They would never lie to the police. They would never lie to the court. They would never lie to you.

Women are special flowers who deserve our protection. Which means money.

You are a walking wallet.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 16 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

If they're in their 80s that means they're from a time when most women stayed home and never worked - meaning, after divorce the woman would have no job skills or anything applicable to a job market, plus.. she would have lived in a time when finding a job that pays decently would have been difficult for her.

I'm not saying its 'ok' that she didn't get some kind of retraining..buuut lets not pretend this is a pair of 30-somethings, a generation whose women grew up with the same advantages as their male counterparts.

EDIT - After reading the article, this looks more like a problem with nepotism than Men's Rights.

[–]JustJonny 10 points11 points12 points 16 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

In the '20s or '30s, most women worked. Only members of the middle or upper class could get by through a single income. This idea that up until the '60s women never worked is ludicrous and classist.

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 16 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Some women worked in the '20s and '30s, more in the '40s and almost none in the '50s when things were 'booming' financially.

There's no getting around the fact that most women were expected to be stay-at-home mothers, and that many were dependent on their husbands.

[–]JustJonny 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most middle or upper class women were dependent on their husbands. The majority has always been poor, and they've always worked.

Just because no one talks about it doesn't mean that the poor, blacks, gays, violent crime, and all those other things stopped existing during the '50s.

[–]Gareth321 2 points3 points4 points 16 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you telling me that 38 years wasn't enough time to acquire some job skills and earn a living wage?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No - but I was adding some necessary context

[–]IronWolve 9 points10 points11 points 16 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The judges should be lucky these men are peaceful protesters. Many men commit blue suicide to protest than goto prison.

[–]BitterDivorcedDad 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then the wife gets free money from the goverment - his social security, and likely his retirement bucks - for life.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 16 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no legitimate reason for this to happen even for a short period of time. If the state wants to keep someone accustomed to a certain lifestyle, it should be the state's responsibility. What if I decide to get a job and my boss decides to fire me? In my mind these situations are analogous. State sponsored subsidy for a period of time relative to terms of employment. Is it time to start charging a marriage tax? What a crock of shit.

[+][deleted] 16 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Logisticks 6 points7 points8 points 16 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a good start, but it's only the half of it. Pick one:

  • Vasectomy
  • Virginity

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is another option. It is called leaving for greener pastures. South America, South East Asia....

[–]Telekinesis 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm on my way bro, on my way, 29 and still truckin' Feels good to be free.

[–]zombiecyborghitler 7 points8 points9 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine your 80 yr old grandpa or dad being booked into one of our jails. This is of course outrageous and dangerous. Yet another proud moment for us all.

[–]Telekinesis 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

My recommendation is never submit yourself to their (the govts) corrupt and sexist system of marriage, you may as well put a noose around your neck courtesy of the govt and civil courts. Just make a deal between you and your wife, or if need be do it in common law. If you need more than that perhaps there is something more wrong with your relationship in the first place.

Individuals do not need permission to get married, it is our right to contract, choosing to get married by their rules you agree to their terms and their contracts.

[+][deleted] 16 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SarahC 4 points5 points6 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a lottery, some states law trumps personal contracts...

[–]BitterDivorcedDad 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It depends on who has more money to throw away litigating against it.

Or whose lawyer is a friend with the judge.

Or who the judge hates more.

In the end, a pre-nup really isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Don't get married. Don't have children. Never EVER sign the birth-certificate, even if you are sure it's yours.

As the wise man once said: "If it flies, floats, or fucks, it's cheaper to rent."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 16 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What about getting religiously married, i.e. a ceremony for friends and family, but not getting legally married? Have you ever heard of that?

[–]BitterDivorcedDad 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, of course I have. It used to be all that people had, hence it forms a basis for being "married" in the eyes of the law.

[–]BitterDivorcedDad 0 points1 point2 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In some states, that may count as being married.

[–]cfisi79 5 points6 points7 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a video of this guy talking about it. http://www.joeiannicelli.com/ He didn't say much of anything about his ex-wife. Only the judge/attorney.

I want to add that I don't see any details of how the alimony is set up. He's in trouble for arrears. Okay, but from when? I'm not seeing anything that states he's been having to pay alimony every year for 38 years. Just that he's been divorced that long, and he's in arrears.

The video states that the alimony was litigated 6 times by 3 different judges, where he wasn't found in contempt, because the ex-wife violated the divorce decree. So, by three different judges' decisions, he shouldn't have to pay it. What he's dealing with now is a specific judge (mother), and attorney (son of judge), who can benefit financially from him. They have the power to manipulate the system, and the people in it.

I see this as a case of corruption, not a men's rights case.

[–]AnnArchist 0 points1 point2 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pig farm, wood chipper, gator bait? all depends what state im in...

[–]todascuentas 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eesh.

[–]Liverotto 0 points1 point2 points 16 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Importing Islam into the feminized West might be the only solution at this point.

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