Steroids: yes or no?

RPAlternate42 · 2016-05-17T18:54:15+00:00

I'm still fat.

"Abs are made in the kitchen."

Make sure you are getting all.of your necessary protein and that your other macros fit into your caloric requirements.
Start HIIT twice a week: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ultimate-8-week-hiit-for-fat-burning-program.html
Begin tapering off calories. Start with 200 a day leas for a few weeks. ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR PROTEIN REQUIREMENT.
Start focusing your macro percentages: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/macro-math-3-keys-to-dialing-in-your-macro-ratios.html

For that last little bit that I'd so hard to get rid of, start looking into carb cycling.

Remember, if your goal.is muscle.mass, you have to eat. Most people bulk/cut in 12/12 week cycles.

crixusin · 2016-05-17T18:05:56+00:00

Only contra-indication is, I'm still fat.

Lose the fat before you start using roids. It has to be your diet. I would say stop eating breakfast; for lunch, try and eat chicken, salad, and maybe some rice (really, you should go completely keto to drop the fat super quick). Then for dinner, essentially the same thing.

I sit at 8-12% body fat, 6 foot, 180 pounds. I jumped on 250mg test e about 2 months, and will probably cruise forever. It will help me progress faster without having to spend anymore time in the gym, since I already spend a ridiculous amount of time in the gym.

If you want to hop on, you have to do a lot of research before. You need to know how your body works, and how different hormones will change aspects of your body.

When jumping on AAS, you need to buy a bunch of other stuff for PCT, and to keep other hormones down. You should buy RU58841 and minoxidil and start using it preemptively to stop any hairloss that could occur. You should buy some letro and another aromatase inhibitor just in case you start to experience high e2 symptoms. You need to get some HCG if you don't want your testicles to shrink. You need to buy needles. If you get insulin needles, you need to learn how to backfill, or just shoot the .2 ml every day.

A lot of this has to be bought using bitcoin, so you gotta open up a bitcoin account (takes a while to get the bitcoin your first time), find a good, credible supplier, and then figure out how to actually make the orders.

This is like a 500 dollar investment, and a lot of time studying. It also has a rabbit hole effect, where you'll want to try all this new stuff that they have out, since you're already injecting yourself with something, why not inject some more.

quicklogaccount · 2016-05-17T17:39:26+00:00

If you're disciplined enough for taking the steroids properly, there are a few things you should try before. Serious sports nutrition is a game changer for a lot of guys, as well as many safe (or at least uncontroversial) supplements too.

If you're already on a serious diet (hormonal modulation), cycling thermogenics, taking creatine and maybe aspartic acid to keep the testosterone levels not only good but close to the max, take a look at some SWOTs on steroids, there are plenty. Else, do that first man.

BoyWhoreWithASword · 2016-05-17T18:59:15+00:00

I'm still fat.

You're not ready for roids.

Come back when you're in great shape and you've got at least 2-4 years of lifting.

You've been lifting 7 fucking months and you're still fat? You don't know how to diet and you're not disciplined enough. You shouldn't be on roids.

Schveen15 · 2016-05-17T19:39:53+00:00

Only contra-indication is, I'm still fat

What is your diet like? Diet is 80% of why a person looks the way they look (with regard to fatness). And be honest, I'm not here to shame you, just to give you some information that will push you in the right direction

The__Tren__Train · 2016-05-17T19:34:02+00:00

Some decent info here, but a lot of bs as well.

Anyways, if u are fat, you likely don't know how to eat or train properly. If u don't fix that, steroids won't be as much help as they would be if you knew what U were doing

CallTheDr · 2016-05-17T22:22:32+00:00

If you drop 600 calories and didn't lose any weight you're either underestimating your calorie intake or your TDEE is lower than the amount of calories you're eating. I can guarantee that if you were to eat 2000 calories (and make sure it's actually 2000 calories) you will lose weight. What's your current height/weight?

Edit: just saw one of your other posts. I used the IIFYM calculator with your info (guessed on some of the options) and it came back roughly with what I suggested: 2014 calories. Eat 2000 calories for a month and you should lose at least 4lbs. If you don't you're either underestimating or you should go see a doctor.

suchhound · 2016-05-17T20:59:03+00:00

I fucking hate all the "l have never taken steroids but i stayed in a holiday inn last night" advice

Disregard all that bogus noise

You can definitely start a cycle if you want period

You'll have an easier time building muscle and melting fat

I don't give a fuck what others say, this will happen

Specially if you take test prop instead of c or e

But there is a downside to taking steroids while fat

I think most knowledgeable people always advice to have a few years in the gym and your diet on point so they know that you are the type of guy that has commitment and discipline and can take advise and actually follow it

other than that any imbecile can take steroids if they want

Here is the downside

The real problem taking steroids when fat is that you are going to have a lot of problems getting your dick hard as you will be aromatizing a lot of the testosterone

to be clear this means that all your fat will convert the extra testosterone into estrogen (read not fun)

That can be controlled with arimidex or similar e2 drugs but still you'll have to find your sweet spot and that is no fun

pay attention this is no joke, you'll have your confidence destroyed trying to stick your limp wet noodle dick in a wanting and ready to go pussy

But hey it's your call

Your best option i think is get a year of lifting under your belt, get to 15%bf or less then start your first cycle that way you can actually enjoy it

beyondgoodandblue · 2016-05-17T19:18:18+00:00

Lifting isn't going to make you not fat, it will just make you fat with bigger muscles. If you don't want to be fat then change your diet.

rollcyclones · 2016-05-17T19:55:55+00:00

I've listened to a lot of Dr Drew on loveline and the steroids have a lot of side effects. Erectile disfunction, hair loss, aggression/rage, and a whole host of other things after the people stop taking them. I'd focus on diet and different workouts to find a natural solution that works.

metallica11 · 2016-05-17T20:32:35+00:00

I've only thought about after blowing past the noob gains, building a solid foundation and adjustable workout regimen to blast through plateaus.

After a while you put in 5+ hours a week in the gym, keep your diet in check, but your bench only goes from 310 to 320 on year. next year is 320 to 330. Its a very low return your investment. and you have to maintain it. Taking steroids smartly could boost your bench +50 pounds over a month, which is more than you could gain in 3+ years of lifting after noob gains

then it might be worth it. But then you would have to maintain steroids to maintain that.

nyjl · 2016-05-17T22:59:12+00:00

Dude, 2,7k is shitton of calories. Your guy fucked up.

tthrowaway- · 2016-05-17T23:20:53+00:00

Had my diet recalculated by a guy I trust

I don't get it, you have to take control of your diet and nutrition. Not losing weight @2700 Cals? Drop to 2200 and see what happens, if it doesn't work drop it more, I garantee at some point you will start to melt.

I saw your macros and type of food it's actually great, but still too much calories I think. You did a great job losing 42 kgs, push it a bit more and drop to 15% bodyfat in the next months. And then, enjoy the bulk phase.

RedBigMan · 2016-05-17T23:47:26+00:00

Check this site out... I've found it useful in the past. http://ss.fitness/

You need to figure out what your TDEE is (basically how much energy you use a day) then eat at a deficit of 500 calories. You have to realize that sometimes you can over portion something too what you think is 2700 kcal could be 3000 kcal.

Also since you are in your first year or so... something that could be happening is that your body is converting fat directly into muscle. Remember that the first fat on is usually the last fat off your body (IE. love handles and/or beer belly type thing).

In the end as long as you are improving in some way you haven't really 'stalled'. Using the scale as the sole metric of your success or failure is going to leave you disappointed at some time. The better question is how much are you lifting now compared to when you started? Are you lifting more in the last 2 months than when you seen a stall on the scale.

homelessWOOKIE9 · 2016-05-18T02:34:37+00:00

Go check out r/steroids for more accurate information on what steroids do to your body

Carbone · 2016-05-18T04:37:29+00:00

Steroid play with your aromatase. If you're fat your producing estrogen... Put steroid in the mix and you got yourself more estrogen.

richardleosimones · 2016-05-19T04:47:02+00:00

Dude, you're just on a plateau. I've lost over 150 pounds. It happens and it's normal. Just mix up your work out and eat fewer calories than you burn. Stick with it and you'll drop the weight. Also just because the number on the scale isn't going down doesn't mean you're not losing fat.

BeyondDedication · 2016-05-17T20:03:36+00:00

I'm very experienced with AAS.

My answer is a resounding no. Doing everything possible for your physique and maxed out your genetic limitations? Then yes. You're just not working nearly hard or smart enough.

Just burn more calories through cardio. Sleep more. Drink more water. Increase the pace and intensity of your workouts. Try basic supplements like fat burners.

I was 205lbs 10% bf when I started. I'm 227 < 10% right now.

Before: http://imgur.com/yQMfPdU After: http://imgur.com/znuciVZ

a_nus · 2016-05-17T23:26:11+00:00

Diet related. Learn about nutrition for yourself instead of relying on "a guy you trust." Working out does not guarantee being ripped. There's a lot more to it.

schmolch · 2016-05-17T20:36:42+00:00

I just finished my 4th waterfast (1 week each) to break through my plateau. Try that you pathetic fucking asshole.

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