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I have mixed feelings on this male body positivity project. What are your thoughts?

Dunkolunko

December 18, 2020
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Title I have mixed feelings on this male body positivity project. What are your thoughts?
Author

Dunkolunko

Upvotes 14
Comments 22
Date December 18, 2020 1:11 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/kfatva/i_have_mixed_feelings_on_this_male_body/
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Comments

[–]sense-si-millia 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are a lot of issue I have with this actually. Firstly it mistakes feminizing men with liberating men. When you see body positivity campaigns for women they don't cast exclusively from the lesbian community and purposely try to portray them in the most masculine way possible. They instead conform to the femininity those women wished they possessed, just with a non confirming body type. Then people come along and try to carbon copy these campaigns and it ends up being very emasculating.

The second thing I don't like is that I feel body positivity is the wrong way to go about things anyway. You are drawing attention to their worst quality and not really redeeming it in any way. Just asserting that it is something to be celebrated. It's still concentrated on looks. But it's celebrating ugliness instead.

Lastly it promotes health issues that really don't help you at all. Heart disease is a major killer. Diabetes is far too common. Obesity is an epidemic. We can do better and it has to come from our own standards. We don't come to them arbitrarily. Undermining them because you can't live up to them is an issue. Question what doesn't work, not what you are bad at.

[–]LieutenantLawyer 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Couldn't have said it better.

People need to care for their bodies, not glorify unhealthy behaviour. The health situation is bad enough as it is in North America.

[–]Dunkolunko[S] 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I am partly in favour of the body positivity concept. Like a lot of things, it has gotten too woke and is often used to actively promote and glorify unhealthiness and has become rather anti-science. Nonetheless, I agree with the concept that overly negative self image is an important mental health issue and positive representation of people with similar bodies to them and being able to feel confident in their own skin is a good thing.

What I like about this particular project is that unlike most half assed attempts to give men some lipservice in body positivity, there is a genuine variety of body types here, not just "buff", "athletic" and "chubby buff", all bodies that require a fair bit of working out, and not comparable to the body positivity women get. This one genuinely has most body types, even if they look a little airbrushed.

What I don't really like is that the author has claimed this is to give men diverse representation in body positivity, yet he got auditions exclusively from LGBTQ Facebook groups. That's not really the full diversity of men,that's just queer men. He's taken an intersectional approach, which means of course, that traditional masculinity is oppressive and not welcome, which means he is never fully inclusive. Likewise, the vast majority of the posing is clearly done in a style more reminiscent of female modelling and femininity. Once again, the average, heterosexual man, who, with the rising levels of heterosexual male sexlessness and adherence to hypergamous dating standards from women, and who is probably most desperately in need of a confidence boost and societal perception shift towards having his body and sexuality seen in a positive, attractive light, is left out in the cold.

[–]Nath43673 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the vast majority of the posing is clearly done in a style more reminiscent of female modelling and femininity

I feel the same way about the polished man charity. Regardless of the goal and origin of the charity, much of the advertising is about casting doubt on the virtue of individual men unless they submit to doing something that is explicitly female-coded in our culture - painting their nails.

But I agree that there are at least more varied body types here than in other similar initiatives.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like you, I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that having a positive self-image is important for mental health. But it should not err into scientific nonsense and pretend that obesity is not a serious health problem.

I disagree with you on the posing. This project is clearly done from a dance/ballet perspective, and that is not feminizing in itself.

[–]OkLetterhead10left-wing male advocate 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Why all of them are in feminine position ?!!! i don't have a problem with feminine men (actually i love feminine men i'm bisexual, especially south korean *_*) but i hate this forced feminization. most men don't want to put make up, polish nail, wear dresses etc .. most men want to lift weight not dancing ballet. art/movies should represent what men want to be. yes feminine men are part of it but only a small minority.

I've read posts on trans men subreddit that a trans man was bullied by friends and get accused of having "toxic masculinity" because he refused to wear make up !! There is a difference between "it's okay to be a feminine man" and "it's only okay if you are a feminine man"

[–]ThereWasLasagna 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I'm seeing this in other areas too. There's this push to make men show their emotions and cry, and that's cool, absolutely wonderful. But what about the men who've been taught to, and have become used to, processing their emotions through silence and self-introspection? I'm one of those people, and I don't want to express my emotions constantly - that's just not me. I fear that this "masculine" method of processing emotion will become extremely vilified and its users marginalized.

For some reason, they've got it into their minds that the feminine verson of anything is superior to its masculine counterpart.

[–]mwbm-serverleft-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Healthy emotional processing looks different to different people, regardless of gender. I think some women hate how easily they cry and wish they didn't, as much as some men wish they could cry easier. To me, the key thing is that men understand the show of masculine strength and discipline isn't crying or not crying - it's having the courage to confront difficult feelings and build a healthy processing mechanism, whatever that looks like for you. I'm like you: crying is not comfortable for me. It makes me close up, if anything, because it stops the space I'm in mentally and emotionally feeling 'safe'.

But this is the problem with the "toxic masculinity" idea. On paper, it should be about exactly this: how do we take all the various things that go in our ideas of masculinity, individually and as a society, and flip the ones that reward negative behaviour into ones that reward positive behaviour? But it doesn't do that. That's not what the idea is for. The idea, in practice, is there to challenge the very notion that men are allowed to have masculine ideals at all.

Everyone under the sun is allowed and encouraged to have this wonderful, positive, profound relationship with their gender and what it means to them to be the gender they are - except your run of the mill man.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why all of them are in feminine position ?

What are you on about? Dancing and ballet are not feminizing. I think your comment is overly biased.

[–]sense-si-millia 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Come on bud. When we see body positivity for women they aren't all dressed up as lumberjacks.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I thought we were for more freedom from traditional gender roles here?

[–]manbro7left-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's definitely not being done for the benefit of men. There's an agenda to make the feminine things superior to the masculine. Besides I'm pretty certain straight men don't want to be portrayed as another gender as if that's superior while they can't even be portrayed as their own gender as if that's toxic. Why can't they have what's natural and comfortable to them? We are aware they're clearly not neutral poses.

You're supposed to be portraying positivity and acceptance for their bodily features while showing them they can be themselves and accepted for being themselves. Well, that's out the window to say the least and it turned political and lost all it's meaning.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what you guys are on about. I don't see any femininity in the poses. This feels like being overly judgmental against classical dance.

[–]OkLetterhead10left-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe not in Germany but in islamic countries dancing ballet (i'm talking about dancing ballet specifically) is considered like putting make-up or wearing a skirt.

Read the story of this male dancer who get death threat from ISIS and was abandoned by his father.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I don't get is why people in this thread want to apply traditionalist islamic gender norms to liberal society.

[–]-AcodeX 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dislike it.

Normalizing obesity isn't helping.

[–]manbro7left-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's lacking short and thin men with smaller muscles.

[–]EpsilonFactor633 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some aspects of this are good, like the guy with the prosthesis.

But I had always thought body positivity was about not hating yourself because you’re 5’6” or because you don’t have a nine-inch penis or other things you can’t do anything about. I don’t think it should be ever be about obesity (or neglecting personal hygiene or basic grooming).

[–]RockmanXX 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy with prosthetic leg looks great, no need for body positivity and the only way to promote body positivity for Fat Men is by telling fat men to lose weight because they CAN do it, its possible... just do it!

[–]chris3212 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dislike it. Nothing positive about being overweight. It is unhealthy and should not be encouraged.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

WTF is this shit lol? It seems like they are targeting anything masculine. The ancient Greek poses of men are millions times better then this woke bullshit.

[–]sense-si-millia 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah If they got average looking dudes and treated them like male models this would be body positivity. This is attacking masculinity as a concept more than anything.

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