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Bernie's answer is refreshing

CantKillADeadMan

December 20, 2019

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Title	Bernie's answer is refreshing
Author	CantKillADeadMan
Upvotes	71
Comments	35
Date	December 20, 2019 9:01 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/edg04w/bernies_answer_is_refreshing/
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There's a lot of sneakiness to it. as well

For example, they had a question on reparations for slavery - probably the most controversial policy in the Democratic Overton window. It fell to Joe Biden.

What did Biden do? The madman just brazenly ignored the whole premise of the question, putting on his endearing clueless grandpa act, and instead he improvised talking about immigration and how immigrants make America great etc. Immigrants have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, since the people who would receive reparations would be African-American descendants from slaves who have resided in the U.S. for many generations!

Yet Biden got applause and nobody gave a shit, since Biden has got a lot of black voters anyway, and most of them don't seem to give a shit about reparations. Even though I don't find Biden an inspiring candidate, that showed me that the sneaky fucker knows how the game works. A less experienced candidate getting that question could easily have put their foot in their mouth.

(It has to be said that the moderators didn't let Bernie get away with something similar later, when he talked about climate change in general when the question was more specifically about the impact on people of color, or something like that. So again, maybe a sign of establishment bias?)

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Yang's weakest tendency is to make self-deprecating jokes about his identity. First his race, now his gender. Too bad, because apart from that moment he was on point with all the questions (loved the comments on China's advances in AI, decoupling human value from economic value, etc.).

To be fair, I understand why he does it. Bernie has now built up name recognition and a strong coalition to the point where he doesn't have to pander to anyone, but I remember when BLM protestors interrupted his rally and he had to stand there and listen to them berate him. The BernieBro smear from the Hillary camp was very potent. Even now some are still trying to twist Bernie's statement into some "It's Okay to be White" dogwhistle, but they're pissing in the wind because at this point everybody knows what Bernie's really about, and everyone knows that he cares more authentically about people from all walks of life than woke neoliberal centrists like Buttigieg.

On the other hand, Yang has started essentially from scratch, and he has gotten even less help from the DNC establishment than Bernie ever got (if that is even humanly possible). Much like Bernie, his campaign is fully grassroots. He already has had to deal with smears labelling him "alt-right' because he tweeted about the opioid crisis and some white nationalists "endorsed" him, even after Yang roundly and firmly denounced their support. He's been labelled a "techbro" from day one by idpollers. He has steadily been making progress, but his base is mostly male (only Tulsi has a more skewed male-to-female ratio) and he needs to reach female supporters. So I understand where the woke pandering comes from - his main goal is getting UBI implimented after all. Despite the Obamaesque cringiness of his statement, he did manage to pivot it nicely to Democracy Dollars and how they would help women trying to run for political office.

Let's also note that Yang also brought up male circumcision as an issue, which was received with a lot of mockery. He ultimately softened his stance a lot arguing for a religious exemption, but unfortunately going full-on anti-circumcision would be a death knell for any candidate. He has behaved almost impeccably during his campaign, but the vultures are still out there waiting to throw any smear they can at candidates like him and Bernie. And again, his main priority is the Freedom Dividend, a policy that is gender-blind as well as race-blind.

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Yeah, the bullies will jump on any opportunity.

I'm glad that with Bernie and Yang, there are two solid candidates still in the race. Warren is female Bernie-lite, but at least (unlike many others) she does substantively talk about issues and policy during the debates, so I'd put her third. Biden literally only has to shut up and look pretty during the debates and coast on his name recognition. Klobuchar was annoying as hell, interrupting people with her own ramblings anecdotes with the occasional "I'm from the Midwest and I get things done". A bore with no fucking policy ideas whatsoever, her only platform being "I won't alienate Bill Maher". Even Steyer contributed more substance and novel ideas than her. Buttigieg sounds like an AI simulating Obama speeches at 25% capacity delivered with the voice and overall demeanor of Patrick Bateman - he scares me.

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