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[Mod] Posting Rules 2014 Update

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January 31, 2014
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Our sub continues to grow, and it looks like we're not stopping any time soon. Because of this, we've run into some new issues I want to address with our new modified Posting rules.

Posting Submission Rules

  • New submissions must be related to sexual strategy, events that affect sexual strategy, theories about sexual strategy, or stories confirming (or challenging) current theories of sexual strategy.

  • Links to the following domains should be archived using http://archive.today to avoid sending traffic or boosting google ranking: jezebel.com, huffingtonpost.com, thoughtcatalog.com, salon.com, slate.com, cracked.com, cosmopolitan.com, cosmopolitan.co.uk

  • Personal or Advice questions should be directed to /r/asktrp See more about this here: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1jkged/mod_new_sub_and_a_new_rule/

  • Thank-you red pill or success story posts should be directed to /r/thanktrp.

  • Absolutely no direct link screenshots or images. If you must post a screenshot of a comment or an image, include it as part of your written post. Do not make it your main link. Please include your analysis with the image. Any image-only submissions will be deleted.

  • No Memes/Image Macros

  • No Concern Trolling / Regular Trolling Please See here for details

  • No Direct Video Links. There is a lot of content on the web, and some of it is in video form for sure. We don't mind videos, however we will request that you post any video links you have in a text submission along with your analysis. Any video-only submissions will be deleted.

  • No crosslinking anything from reddit at all. Not in submissions. Not in comments. If you want to post a conversation or post between members on reddit you must take a screenshot, and edit it for the following requirements: No URL in picture or post, Subreddit name must not be present in the picture or in the post, Must be self-post with analysis. No low-hanging "look this guy is a moron" posts. Constructive posts only. Everything else will be deleted without warning.

Concern Trolling

Since we're getting more and more users every day, the signal to noise ratio is bound to decline by at least a little bit. Because of this, we have decided that one such dampener to signal is concern trolling. From this point forward, we will delete any post that attempts to "steer" the subreddit or complains about the direction of content.

If for some reason you're not happy with the quality of posts here, I encourage you to upvote good material, downvote bad material, and submit your own high-quality material.

Racism

The Red Pill is dedicated to finding the truth about sex and gender strategies, no matter how unpopular or difficult it may seem. For some strange reason, this has brought forward a number of racist posts, which have swiftly been removed. Let us discuss exactly what we mean by racism.

We acknowledge that cultural and genetic differences have an effect on behavior. However, we do not accept that one's race is inextricably tied to their culture. (Because it isn't). If you want to comment on a culture, speak of the culture. If you want to comment on genetics, comment on genetics. Do not confuse the two.

Understand that the differences between men and women are large as our genders have been evolving for millions of years, but the segregated cultures (and thus races) are in the hundreds of thousands (if that).

We are not denying that there are genetic differences between races. That said, we will not allow TheRedPill to be hijacked by blatant racism by conflating race with culture. This is not up for discussion.

Posting Comments Rules

Our discussion is not meant to be just an echo chamber, we absolutely encourage discussion that challenges commonly held beliefs. That is the core of the red pill: challenging what we know.

That being said, if you're new here and haven't read the sidebar, there's a good chance that what you want to say has already been heard and we don't really care to argue it. Some of the opinions and ideas we have here may seem a bit shocking at first if you aren't familiar with our theories. Let me be clear:

Our theories are well thought out, backed by evolutionary psychology, and are regularly confirmed by the behaviors we witness. One of the most astounding parts of the red pill is meeting new people here from other parts of the world... who all report the same behavior we've witnessed ourselves. There is REAL truth to the info we're compiling. Attempts to label it misogyny completely misses the point. We do not focus on women as the enemy and consider insults to hurl. Instead, we see women as our goal, and focus on theories as to why they behave the way they do, and how we should behave in light of this information.

If you attempt to "creep" shame, call out misogyny, or otherwise attempt to derail conversation because the information here is shocking to you, it will tell us one thing: You haven't even attempted to understand why and how we've arrived at our conclusions.

Any post that does not make a point and instead makes ad hominem attacks will be immediately deleted. A moderator may post a test article for you to read and discuss to prove you are not here to troll. If you fail the test, you may be banned.

We have no interest in becoming an echo chamber, and we don't mind dissenting viewpoints. But if it derails conversation, we will take action. If you're worried you might derail conversation, lurk more.

TROLLING:

With the influx of new users, we have to deal with the unfortunate reality that there will be more trolls. Because of this, we're going to have to be a little more strict in our adherence to the policies.

Posts that utilize any kind of concern or shaming language are immediately suspect. We will take a look at each post on a base-by-case basis. Typical phrases that we will be looking out for include:

"I feel so bad, sad, etc."

"You're bitter."

"Misogynist"

"You all..."

Please note, we encourage open debate and discussion of our theories, but please bring facts, and not ad hominem attacks or concern for our well being.

A new trend that we have been seeing recently are the passive aggressive trolls that disguise themselves with plausible deniability. They attempt to cloud their true purpose by representing themselves as honestly inquisitive or perhaps genuinely mislead, and here to learn. We identify them by their concern language, ad hominem attacks, or insults to our moderators.

It is very possible to be here and ask questions, or disagree without setting off any red flags. However, common attributes of a troll post include:

Leading with a presumptive conclusion. "The fact that you're bitter is getting in the way of.."

Asking complex questions (fallacious questions) to which any answer is an endorsement to a presupposition that has not been determined or agreed upon. "Can anybody tell me why you guys hate women so much?"

Ad hominem "just because you are bitter.."

Condescension "This just seems like a bunch of chest beating to me.."

Unfalsifiable rhetoric - phrases, insults, accusations that cannot be falsified and serve no purpose but to manipulate the emotional state of the opponent or onlookers. "This is just a circle jerk"

Concern "I feel like this sub is focusing too much on.." (If you are genuinely concerned, contact a moderator, or submit more content of the quality you would prefer to see.)

Accusations of echo chamber/circle jerk. This is a combination of just about all of the above, but I want to highlight that the term "circlejerk" itself is meaningless and unfalsifiable rhetoric used to gain an upper hand in an argument without any of the legwork required to disprove the opponent's points.

Insulting the moderators - If you disagree with a moderator, that's just fine. You can do so publicly or in PM. We're not gods, we don't know everything, and we spend a lot of time learning every day. However, if you show disrespect to the moderators by using ad hominem attacks or thinly disguise an insult as a "genuine" disagreement, you will be banned.

If you feel you were unjustly caught we have no issue looking at appeals on a case by case basis, just know that your post history and account age will be looked at.

Our moderators do a lot of work to keep our sub clean and functioning on a daily basis, including banning trolls, flaring posts, and attempting to discuss solid red pill theory. Please do not make our jobs harder.


Thank you for reading our rules and abiding by them. We feel that as our sub grows, this rules list will help keep us on topic and minimize noise.

If you're new- read this here!


Post Information
Title [Mod] Posting Rules 2014 Update
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 72
Comments 62
Date 31 January 2014 09:14 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/10726
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1woc2r/mod_posting_rules_2014_update/
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[–]1Zackcid19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

Posting Submission Rules

TRP doesn't only revolve around sexual strategy. Whatever happened to fitness, anti-feminism, business (kinda uncommon), and rants?

I'll finish reading the post, but it doesn't look like they were included.

[–]ModAerobus5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I would like a response about this as well.

[–]1PaulRivers106 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I as well.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

These are all sexual strategy related. This has been in the rules since last year.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was thinking along similar lines of /u/Zackcid. For example, "business (kinda uncommon)". There was a post a couple of weeks ago "I am tired of talking about broads. Let's talk about how to make big money". I really enjoyed some of the discussion.

Also I think some RP concepts helped me get a great job recently after having spun my wheels for a long time (various little things that cross over such as maintaining frame, having a positive attitude of abundance / not reeking of desperation) and I had considered the idea of making a post. I probably wouldn't have actually made this post anyway (I might have but honestly I mostly just read and occasionally comment). Now I see this form of contributing back to the community is apparently prohibited. Additionally, it seems it would have to go under /r/thanktrp which basically has no submissions, a tiny community, and would be out of place because it doesn't have to do with getting laid but rather making money.

I understand that the primary focus of TRP is sexual strategy but it seems a shame (as in wasted opportunity) to disallow posts that aren't quite related to bedding women. I guess a MGTOW sub could be created for MGTOW-related content, but my personal take on it is that up and down arrows are there and if a post isn't worthwhile, it probably won't get many upvotes. Also a fraction of people which pales in comparison to the broader TRP sub.

Everything else in this posting rules update I think is a good thing. I realize the mods are human and the sub needs to combat trolling, shaming, brigading, etc. Anyway I'm just giving some feedback here, hope you found it constructive.

Edit: clarity

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I guess I see sexual strategy more broadly. The post about making money and mgtow are perfectly fine.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion25 points26 points  (5 children) | Copy

Looks good to me!

On behalf of the entire community, I would like to thank all of the mods for all the time and effort they continuously put into moderating this subreddit, and facilitating its growth. We really do appreciate all of the work you all do.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank-you red pill or success story posts should be directed to /r/thanktrp.

Just playin, brother :)

Kudos to the mods as well for their relentless effort, and especially endorsed contributors like you /u/YouDislikeMyOpinion who keep the signal to noise ratio high

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hah!

Yes, a huge shoutout to all of the members that help to keep the signal strong.

[–]1PaulRivers104 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would also like to thank for mods for taking the time to create a place where we can talk about this stuff without the feminist machine constantly attacking. Since this sub apparently now has more subscribers than the feminism sub, I think everyone else does to. :-)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seconded. Thank you all for making this place what it is, and let's make sure it's never watered-down, sugarcoated or anything like that.

[–]XCowboyLowkesx10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

My greatest fear is to see this subreddit degrade into memes.

[–]MSoftHarem12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not on my watch.

[–]da-way0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can we have a zero tolerance policy for memes and other such internet flotsam? To kill a problem before it becomes one.

[–]MSoftHarem5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

There has been a zero tolerance policy for memes since the sub opened. We barely allow discussions about memes, much less the posting of them in the sub.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (12 children) | Copy

Does this mean that the men's rights issues are not valid submissions going forward?

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Mens rights is.still valid. Did I accidentally make it seem otherwise?

[–]rarlcove8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

You never defined "sexual strategy." Does that mean only tactics to insert your penis into a woman or does it include discussion about gender relations in general?

If you limit it to the former then this will just be some sort of pickup artist sub and everyone else will be turned out in the cold, since there's no place else on Reddit where you can openly denounce feminism.

[–]1PaulRivers103 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah, feel. While I appreciate the desire to avoid this becoming an MRA sub, at the same time I've always appreciated the posts that demonstrate how rediculous some feminist theme is.

Mra stuff has something of a focus on saying "Men are victims to", what I appreciate about the Red Pill postings is that they have more of a "This is simply why this a bunch of crap" viewpoint. Personally, it's really helped me realize that most of the feminism themes are so much crap - which for me has really helped with my own sexual strategy.

[–]rarlcove4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

There also needs to be a place for MGTOW who aren't just obsessed with getting pussy like some users seem to be.

[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Come to think of it, MGTOW really does seem out of place here, a forum that's heavily weighted towards sexual strategy...

[–]mussedeq4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Why not just post it there?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

I thought trp was about more than just sex. Self improvement, men's rights, mgtow, + sex. Seems like the new rules really shrink trp.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is my only concern as well. Though there are plenty of subs to post self-improvement tips in if you have something that fits in with TRP theories I hope that can still be posted. It would be a hell of a lot more useful than the 10 or so threads every day to the tune of WOMAN DOES THING, DON'T WE ALL HATE'EM GUYS?

[–]mussedeq1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I feel self improvement will fit under as well as mgtow but imo men's rights won't help your game.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Posting from my phone so I can't tell if you are a mod or not. Men's rights has (had?) it's own flair here so it has been part of Trp for a while. So are you confirming that men's rights is out?

[–]mussedeq2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not a mod, but there is still a flair so I don't think MRA posts will be removed. I also am noticing no more than one MRA post flair a day so I have no big deal with a little.

[–]Nemester2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So it looks like the rules of submissions have changed quite a bit. Under the new terms, I believe my post from the other day on Bikers against child abuse would be deleted. (for your convenience and because of the discussion I provide a link, but I know future comments would be deleted and I will follow the rule).

In other words, using redditlog will no longer be allowed. I will say that is inconvenient, but I think I understand why you are doing it.

In addition, it does not directly relate to sexual strategy. I felt it was pretty relevant though and a great example of the matrix.

One thing I don't understand is why internal linking the /r/theredpill should be disallowed. I don't believe there is risk of pissing off admins for brigading if we link to our own sub? Or is there?

Lastly, is it alright to link to subreddits generally when not discussing a specific conversation like I did above?

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Redditlog is allowed.

[–]RedSunBlue2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you want to post a conversation or post between members on reddit you must take a screenshot, and edit it for the following requirements: No URL in picture or post, Subreddit name must not be present in the picture or in the post

So this means redditlog is a no-no as well?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry redditlog is fine.

[–]thr0waway330 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Should be mentioned in OP

[–]FortunateBum2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No crosslinking anything from reddit at all.

Can we make an exception to TRP posts? This seems safe and productive.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, but, automod doesn't let it through and there's no easy way to modify it to do so.... so, msg the mods if you want to link TRP and we'll approve manually.

[–]draketton1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What exactly are the negative consequences of allowing direct crosslinking?

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points | Copy

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[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Were you banned? Were your comments removed?

You're free to disagree as you wish (so long as you are not actively trying to disrupt the sub), but everyone else is free to disagree with you.

Here, we tend to err on the side of free and open expression, rather than niceness. I think that is as it should be.

[–]Nemester-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Were you banned? Were your comments removed?

lol. Someone pass this man some salt. A wound needs gouging.

[–]curiousthis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe videos should go to r/redpillmedia.

[–]tenpointsix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Trolls arn't going to read all/any of this, but at least it's on the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't like the part of narrowing things down too much on sexual strategy as opposed to allowing stuff like generally looking for un-PC truths with regard to the social relationship of genders or a discussion of the psychology and attitude and culture of masculinity even when it does not have much to do with sexual strategy.

[–]Sufferix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Concern Trolling

This one is hard not to do. So much bitter crying all the fucking time. It's obnoxious and a ton of criticism of double standard that has nothing to do with sexual strategy.

Also, saying the only thing to discuss is sexual strategy narrows the scope and makes outsiders think we are PuA-only subreddit.

So we're bitter babes and PuA.

Edit: Unless people are expected to infer that sexual strategy means gender strategy in which I failed to do that and, I suspect, most other people will too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Remember the report feature as well, if a post violates the guidelines or doesn't offer value to TRP report it so its removed.

[–]mussedeq1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy

We are not denying that there are genetic differences between races. That said, we will not allow TheRedPill to be hijacked by blatant racism by conflating race with culture. This is not up for discussion.

I sense a lot of butthurt coming from /r/conspiracy and /r/WhiteRights users coming.

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I didn't know about r conspiracy's involvement in racism? Do tell.

[–]mussedeq-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mostly just the /pol/ "Jews did 911" bullshit.

[–]FinalEquin0x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah man, Bush blew up the Twin Towers.

/s

[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I also appreciate this - I have no idea how topics about racism even belong in this sub. They always tend to get weird, and how do they contribute?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

The race issue should go both ways in this instance. It's stupid to allow someone to spew anti-racist views and delete counter arguments or ban users who argue back.

[–]mussedeq0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

All the comments should be deleted because it just creates animosity between the whites, blacks, browns, and yellows who are here to learn. Then, people start to think debating race is okay and the whole subreddit starts to unravel at the seams. This sub should be focused on the diff between women and men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In general but you can't look at the world inside a vacuum either.

[–]2comment0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree. Declaring race not equals culture (which is an axiom I don't buy into at all) and then saying it's not up for discussion is pretty lame and feels counter to TRP in the first place, like some lame political correctness. I mean, are we discussing reality or not?

No racial discussion? Fine. But going this way about it isn't right. I respect the mods wishes well enough, but I don't need political dictates from above.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't want this board to be about anything like that but it's hypocritical to say the board's not about that and then have a position on it like it does. Also for a board that advocates alphaness it ignores one universal truth about alphas, they don't take kindly to outsiders taking their women.

[–]Nemester0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Though I am a race realist, I can understand not wanting to get into it in this sub. If this sub is about being realistic about biological differences between genders (which is more to do with expression level differences than actual genetic diversity), then it isn't much farther before biological differences between races start being considered. It is a very fine line between the two topics. In addition, it is the same groups using the same types of shaming tactics for both race and gender.

Still, I generally make an effort to not talk about race in this sub. It is hard enough for new people to accept the red pill in regards to gender without throwing race into the mix. I generally go to /r/HBD for those kind of discussions.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

I sense a lot of butthurt coming from /r/conspiracy and /r/WhiteRights users coming.

Too bad. As you've proven yourself, they have their own subs.

[–]Nemester-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

I think the white rights people aren't truly race realists. I feel the complaints about Affirmative action, PC language, etc with regards to race are correct and closely mirror the complaints against feminism in this sub. However, they really dislike jews. Well, jews happen to be the smartest and most capable of all ethnic groups by a variety of measures. Wealth creation, IQ tests, nobel prises.

I think /r/hbd does a better job at just trying to look at the facts objectively.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

The trends have more to do with cultural factors than any genetics, especially when considering that certain ethnicities that take the brunt of HBD proponents are very racially homogenous.

I'm fortunate enough to be among some highly intelligent and high achieving people. What truly distinguishes them the most is their incredible determination and resilience. It sometimes is so extreme that they sacrifice their emotional well-being to be obstinately devoted to succeeding.

[–]Nemester0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Identical twin studies have demonstrated the intelligence is highly heritable, at least 50%. Some studies found closer to .8 correlation.

I am not saying culture doesn't influence things, but it is secondary to heritable cognitive ability.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Intelligence as measured by various IQ tests doesn't necessarily account for success.

It can make you a great upper level drone for the guy getting rich off of your ideas and hard work, but it doesn't create a leader.

[–]Nemester0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It is predictive of middle to high income. It won't tell you who will become mega rich, but you can be fairly certain it will tell you who will be middle class and who will be poor.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This argument is too fatalistic.

I guess my argument is informed by having grown up among (and now working with) people who come from practically every socioeconomic background. I know children of wealthy, absurdly successful white parents who are terrible at school and children from the most humble backgrounds who make a joke of every class/standardized test they come across.

Making as big a deal about IQ like HBDers is pointless since there are more than enough exceptions to that rule to be not predictive of academic or career success in any useful/actionable way. Maybe a few tiny studies with misleading endpoints might show some slight statistical significance, but they are not broadly applicable.



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