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China clamps down on male reproductive rights (vasectomies) because the Chinese communist party want to enforce "a baby boom". Remember - Chinese totalitarian regime is anti-male.

JohnGawel

December 15, 2021
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-birth-control-vasectomy/2021/12/09/c89cc902-50b8-11ec-83d2-d9dab0e23b7e_story.html
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Title China clamps down on male reproductive rights (vasectomies) because the Chinese communist party want to enforce "a baby boom". Remember - Chinese totalitarian regime is anti-male.
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JohnGawel

Upvotes 206
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Date December 15, 2021 1:03 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rgyn1b/china_clamps_down_on_male_reproductive_rights/
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[–]PlzSendDunes 74 points75 points76 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Totalitarian regimes are anti-anyone's right. Not so far ago CCP was doing forced sterilisations to women having two children.

And btw they are not going to achieve anything. Firstly it's female population which is low is a limiting factor and secondly most men who will want vasectomies will get them because China is highly corrupt due to high inequality which pushes people to do whatever it takes to survive another day.

[–]velvetalocasia 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only force sterilizations but although forced abortions and to this day there are a lot of people who don’t officially exist as they are second children.

[–]JohnGawel[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly...
They are anti-individualism... Classical of a communist regime.
Chinese are anti-feminists too.

That doesn't make them our friend. But in many ways, they are fairer than both religion, as well as feminism. Especially when it comes to gender issues.

[–]PlzSendDunes 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't go to it being fairer that one day CCP goes and forces abortions and sterilisations and another day 180 to forcing having children and going after vasectomies.

No matter what our views are authoritarianism is a threat to everyone. You never can be sure if next day you yourself going to become a target to authoritarians.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the problem with communism...

That's where it fails. If a totalitarian dictator (like Kim-Jong-un) comes to power, it becomes a complete disaster.

You think democracy doesn't have breaking point? Look at how things are turning out it most western countries.
Political division and tribalism is shaking the very foundations of democracy even in USA.

There is no perfect system of governance.

As Winston Churchill said - "Democracy is the worst form of governance. Except those that we have already tried."

His words are turning out to be prophetic. Communism is many times worse.

If you want to control millions of population, you need a hive-mind. Like how ants and bees have..
Humans are not hive-mind. When our population becomes large, the differences begin to show up.
Its simply not possible to control everybody..

Our ancestors managed to get around it by 'inventing' God. By giving that control to a supernatural power, we could control the behavior of the masses. But as we progress and societies become more liberal. The fault-lines are showing up.

[–]PlzSendDunes -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of division is funded by authoritarians. In fact there are cases found when Russia intelligence related groups were financing both BLM and their opposing groups. Goal is to create the divisions and destabilise the countries from inside.

There are plenty of examples when Russia funds radical right groups to destabilise EU for example.

I would offer to check on Maria Butina. She was russian who tried to infiltrate through bed into NRA and get info on internal struggles of Republican party.

And in regards to flaws, I must agree. We inherit flaws of the system that we adapt. But system which allows continuous changes, adaptability and encourages civility within population is way superior than holding on primitive mindset of having psychopathic leader willing to kill to maintain the power.

[–]sub2Womenslave4Vonda 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fantastic! This is the most non-judgmental, objective and well articulated statement about this topic I have read on ANY social media platform.

Props :)

[+]Man_of_culture_112 -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

so China is corrupt like the USA?

Anyway, China will understand it is easier to limit a population than it is to make it grow.

[–]Irokumata-777 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The word is authoritarian, Chinese government decides the number of kids the population can have. Wtf you mean by corruption and why do yuo bring US to the table

[–]Man_of_culture_112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Did you read the comment before mine? The US should be brought to the table because the people who always bring up China are American!

[–]PlzSendDunes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Australia, Canada, Japan, Lithuania, Czechia, Taiwan and many other countries which do bring up what atrocities CCP does. There is an entire world without US. I hope you are aware of it?

[–]Man_of_culture_112 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/countries-biggest-threat-to-peace/

[–]PlzSendDunes -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The post is about China. The conversation is about China. Yet you try to push agenda against US with a hand-picked articles.

Return back to sino where you belong.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, I'm from Nigeria. Those are not hand picked articles, those results make perfect sense. The US has attacked, sanctioned and invaded the most countries. China and Russia can only dream of matching that record, the results should be even worse.

Dirtiest player in the mud (Murica) should not be telling us about some asshole with a smudge on his shirt (China).

[–]PlzSendDunes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who makes you to think I am American?

I am amazed how much effort you are putting to derail conversation from China to US. When topic is China.

[–]PlzSendDunes 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You don't get it. It is not is corrupt or not. Corruption has intensity, it has many forms, it has affect on mentality and it has decreasement on overall country's productivity. Pretty much in all of it China surpasses U.S.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Can you read your comment? You said China is highly corrupt because of inequality and the US is very unequal. Have you examined the fact that the US gave out at least $700 billion dollars to private companies and has forgiven $600 billion dollars of it. Isn't that corruption? While not an ounce of student debt has been forgiven.

Isn't private companies paying politicians for favoritism corruption? (Sorry it's jsut lobying).

Y'all need to get of your high horse in America.

[–]PlzSendDunes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

When I made a statement that US is not corrupt? My statement still stands that China is way more corrupt. In fact I am amazed that you are putting so much effort to derail conversation from China to US. You are aware that there is an entire world which is concerned about China and not just US?

Or you are planning on more whataboutism?

[–]Man_of_culture_112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What metric did you use to decide China is more corrupt than the USA? Look at your covid response, look at your worker shortages and strikes? Look at the fact that there are people who died needlessly in a Tornado because they would be fired if they left for safety. The fact that I just brought upon should concern you more than China, corruption is legal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/we-are-free-market-economy-pelosi-rejects-stock-ban-congress-2021-12%3famp

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Which world? Most of the world considers the US a bigger threat than China, the US has invaded and bombed at least 4 countries in the past 20 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/us-threat-democracy-russia-china-global-poll

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/countries-biggest-threat-to-peace/

Most countries are afraid of the USA.

[–]spike4379 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I dunno man the fact that the chinese government enacts fascistic laws and locks uyghur muslims up to convert them, and how the PM of china is so thin-skinned you can't even depict winnie the pooh in china without censoring him.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not fascistic, Authoritarian laws. Those laws have backfired on them, it's a lot easier to stop child birth than it is to get people to engage in it.

And on Winnie the Pooh:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Winnie-the-Pooh-really-banned-in-China-or-is-it-Western-propaganda-Could-someone-living-in-China-answer-that-question

don't believe everything you see in the news.

[–]PlzSendDunes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, most countries are not afraid of US. Again whataboutism and shifting conversation to US instead of being on point and sticking on China.

Both China and Russia are authoritarian and both are willing to surpress any opposition and interfere with fair elections. How authoritarians can claim that democracy is a threat to them is beyond me.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://geospatialmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Peace-Threat.jpg (Germany and Spain think the US is a threat)

The image speaks for itself. China is authoritarian, they don't see that as a vice, they don't lie about it. We all know that.

dude, do you know how many dictators the US backs? How many countries the US sanctions? The US was just occupying Afghanistan for 20 years (I don't defend the Taliban). The US bombed Vietnam and Laos for 20 years. The US backed the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile. The CIA over threw Lumumba. The US backs Isreal (who bombs kids on the regular). The US backs the KINGDOM of Saudi Arabia.

You can't pretend to be morally superior when you are the dirtiest player in the game, most of the world see's you as a threat because of your record.

[–]PlzSendDunes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again whataboutism and shifting conversation from China to US. Talk about organ harvesting and Hong Kong protesters being killed in the streets.

[–]jinladen040 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Ive noticed this shocking trend lately of people proclaiming themselves to be communist or socialist along with waving Communist flags. The thing is if they actually went and lived in one of the communist countries like China, they'd be in for a rude awakening.

The CCP only cares about the CCP, they have a social credit system in place for anyone who doesn't fully support the state, they use mass surveillance, forced labor camps, and not to mention genocide against the Uyghur people. There have also been reports of organ harvesting of prisoners and countless other humans rights abuses as well. And let us not forget how they treated the Corona virus, denying everything while they bought up all the medical supplies for a month straight.

[–]la_1099 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are kids who grew up with and dont realize the luxuries and privileges offered by capitalist countries because they’ve always had them

[–]jinladen040 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats the issue. Most of the people claiming to be comrades and communist are being taught this garbage in liberal states, schools and with taxpayer money while admins turn a blind eye.

Remember that teacher that was featured on Project Veritas who was teaching his students a communist agenda with even commie flags hung on the wall. I fear thats not an isolated issue. Then combine that with the majority of Social Media being ran by Liberal Tech giants and they push a socialist agenda even more while censoring anyone who disagrees with the narrative.

Ive been banned from so many subreddits for posting facts but because they dont support some Liberal Narrative, the mods censor me.

[–]darksideofthemoon131 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive noticed this shocking trend lately of people proclaiming themselves to be communist or socialist along with waving Communist flags

It's because in theory Communism sounds almost utopian. Shared power, equitability and labor. End of class warfare etc. People think it's gonna solve the problem between the divide of the rich and the poor. True communism has never been tried and successful. It just ends up with one leader and worse control.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not remotely capping for China. But the USA has a Credit Score (system) that affects your quality of life, the NSA spies on people, there is forced prison labor (highest prison population in the world, 25% of world prisoners, mostly men btw), there are massive detention centers at the border (like the Uygur detention centers), helps Saudi Arabia with the genocide in Yemen (Muslims also), bombs and invades foreign (mostly Muslim) countries and is just as anti-Male.

We live in an anti-male world.

[–]foobar93 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the US is the good guys and the Democrats and Republicans care about the citizens instead of their own power!

[–]PlzSendDunes -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would consider myself socialist. But not in the way some of those portray as but more of democratic socialist. As economy works best a free market with some oversight, so does politicians work best when people can elect the government.

Human rights have to be above all, maybe with a few exceptions(like quarantine and masks can be sort of interpreted as infringement on rights but that gets a pass since slowing down pandemic allows more people to survive).

But China is an abhorrent country. It is like Nazi Germany persecuting people and people are actually supporting it... Nowadays you get those dreamers who proclaim that they are anti-fascist, but same crowd can't notice same behaviour from China... Authoritarian nationalistic regime feeding lies and deception and blackmailing anyone it can.

People should have power, not some party or one person. And the people should have the ability to change politicians, not them being put there for loyalty to party or leader.

So I can't understand those pro-CCP individuals, I really can't. We live in society, the more civil that society is going to be, the better it is for all of us. People should judge each other on merit and their contribution for society and not idealogy or leader.

[–]foobar93 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Politicians become populists when people vote them in. Mostly because people are stupid and rather believe a lie than hear the truth. I guess a lottocraty could work though.

[–]Jonger1150 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just what the planet needs.....more people.

[–]furchfur 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They have clamped down on abortions as well:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/27/china-to-limit-abortions-for-non-medical-purposes

It is all about boosting the number of biirths.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like Texas

[–]ThatOneCrusader1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ayyyy that's where I live

[–]iluv_versed 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes. A population of 1.5 billion people needs more people.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Young people

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Their total fertility rate is 1.3, well below replacement level of 2.1... Its even lower than that of Japan...

China is headed for a 'demographic disaster'.
With a skewed gender ratio, and low BR, China will soon become Japan-II. They know it well.

[–]Billy-Batdorf 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In China Men have protection from anti gold digger laws, they're taught to be masculine and confident, and they have a better chance at having a stable life than a boy in the US.

Meanwhile, dimwitted "individualist" conservatives refuse to establish any kind of Men's Rights platforms in the US while conservative dominated family courts carry out due process free giveaways for women while doing everything they possibly can to impoverish Men. Worry less about China when you've accomplished nothing but holding back Men here.

[–]JohnGawel[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You spread chinese communist propaganda and tradcon, anti-male BS.

[–]oceansarevast 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes the anti chinese attitude in this thread is typical American. China does a lot for its population. It lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. Build things most countries can only dream off. The current child policy has been put in place to compensate for the coming demographic disaster. Somebody needs to feed and maintain the old generation. Aside China does something about the vulnerability of young men by teaching masculinity, legal protection against the negatives of early divorce, addressing social ills.

[–]YUPitsME_RICK 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well thts china for u. no rights for anyone

[–]Asrealasrealcanbe 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

b bu but wasnt china a single child society only a short while ago and people were dumping female babies in the street cause they only wanted sons that could do all the hard work.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

they wanted sons to carry the family name, they didn't mind their women working to the bone (unlike the USA with stay at home wives) and they now have a 2 child policy.

[–]Mother-Initial-9560 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Male crybabies want to find any little “evidence” that prove men have it the hardest. Ignoring the fact that they can choose hard work or easy work. In the case of China, as you said China has no qualms about women doing hard work or slave sweatshop labor. Only thing you are wrong about is that at this time period there’s hardly any stay at home wives in the USA. Chinese women and American women are on the same page of getting a education and getting ourselves a career. How high priced things are nowadays American women can’t afford the stay at home lifestyle like that any more.

[–]tjohn9999 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

China can be very egalitarian in other ways though. For example, in China there is very little idea of alimony since both parents have traditionally worked and automatic mother-centric child support doesn't exist either. This is due to the grandparents who taking care of the kids, traditionally.I think this is common in a lot of communist and former-communist countries.

[–]BodyOwner 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now they're realizing that having a population of many elderly people and few young, able-bodied people is a huge problem.

You could craft some conspiracy theories around COVID based on that, but imo an accidental lab leak is far more likely.

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