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Women are 32% more likely to die post-op if their surgeon is a man, study finds

Kagedeah

February 10, 2022
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https://www.thelily.com/women-are-32-more-likely-to-die-post-op-if-their-surgeon-is-a-man-study-finds/
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Title Women are 32% more likely to die post-op if their surgeon is a man, study finds
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Kagedeah

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Comments 21
Date February 10, 2022 9:15 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]sgt_oddball_17 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No breakdown by type of operation, age of patient, or complexity of the operation?

[–]mikesteane 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason for that. It's like the earnings gap, they can take selected data and create a case which falls apart when all the data is taken into account. This one is particularly silly, it's like arguing that since police are always present at road accidents, their presence is a hazard.

[–]CriminalScientist -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"When a female surgeon operates, patient outcomes are generally better, particularly for women, even after adjusting for differences in chronic health status, age and other factors, when undergoing the same procedures."

[–]sgt_oddball_17 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And are those differences on the weight loss surgery, or on brain surgery?

[–]CriminalScientist -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"When a female surgeon operates, patient outcomes are generally better, particularly for women, even after adjusting for differences in chronic health status, age and other factors, when undergoing the same procedures."

[–]rabel111 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These feminist junk studies have been debunked many times. Differences were found to small and non-significant, or related to female surgeons refusing to attempt surgery on high risk patients.

Any differences in survival could be appropriately atributed to factors other than sex.

[–]Clemicus 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the amount of surgeries male surgeons perform in comparison to female surgeons. The last time a similar article was posted, someone replied with stats

[–]63daddy 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What this article left out is that surgeons who perform higher risk surgeries tend to be make. Higher risk surgeries have overall higher fatality and complication rates.

Funny how they conveniently omitted this documented relevant point.

[–]BilboBagginsFingerz -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"When a female surgeon operates, patient outcomes are generally better, particularly for women, even after adjusting for differences in chronic health status, age and other factors, when undergoing the same procedures."

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The same procedure can have different risk profiles depending on the severity and patient.

[–]BilboBagginsFingerz -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"When a female surgeon operates, patient outcomes are generally better, particularly for women, even after adjusting for differences in chronic health status, age and other factors, when undergoing the same procedures."

[–]Commercial_Sir_9300 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuuuuuuck

[–]fengpi 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember some publicized study from years ago-- perhaps well over 2 decades ago-- which said that patients would interrupt the speaking of female doctors more often than male doctors. This was naturally interpreted as "patients don't respect female doctors!!!!"

A follow-up study, not as well publicized, looked at why and said that the major factor was that people were more comfortable asking questions to female doctors. Which actually sounds rather positive.

It didn't get as much attention as the previous study, but naturally it got interpreted that women were simply better doctors.

The pattern of distorted interpretation about these kinds of things is so consistent over time, it almost takes effort to not see it.

[–]DavidByron2 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What the article doesn't tell you:

the male surgeons generally perform all the most difficult and dangerous surgeries.

Yes, if they were the slightest bit honest they'd control for that.

They didn't.

[–]BilboBagginsFingerz -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"When a female surgeon operates, patient outcomes are generally better, particularly for women, even after adjusting for differences in chronic health status, age and other factors, when undergoing the same procedures."

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well at least that puts it into the sort of "wage gap" level of deception. There's just no way of knowing if the study was deliberately written to get an anti-male response, while ostensibly taking into account some factors -- the way that a lot of wage gap stats are -- or if they tried to do an honest job, but even if the latter, the results of such a study are more likely to be picked up and amplified if they happen to support a feminist narrative than oppose it which introduces bias.

The study is suspicious as FUCK though I can tell you that because the numbers are far too large to be credible. 32% more likely to die? There's just no way that could possibly be true because making surgeries as safe as possible is a big goal of medicine. If they'd gone with 3.2% I might might have believed it. Dead bodies show up. There's no way this article is being honest and we know that similarly dishonest analyses are very common to these sex based questions with the gender wage gap being an easy example.

[–]BilboBagginsFingerz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My point was that you misunderstood what the article was saying. I agree that we should wait for future studies to be done. If they also find similar percentages I'll be shocked as well tbh.

As for medical bias as a subject, I found this video to be interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhArakH5cTU The original is also worth a watch but there are a few things that are a bit off in the original which this guy gets into.

[–]Algoresball 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men do higher risk surgeries

[–]emerald_engineer_08 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does this sub have mods?

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If any woman wants to stay on the waiting list longer until a female surgeon is available then they should have this right.

[–]DubsPackage 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any time you "professionalize" any field, men end up doing the hardest and riskiest functions of that field, ex: the high risk surgery case that no one else is willing to do.

Women have a well-known tendency of being risk averse.

And I bet male surgeons push themselves to perform as many surgeries as humanly possible so they can advance their careers and earn more money, so they end up operating when they're tired, doing double-shifts, and whatnot.

On one level I guess if you're having surgery, having a female surgeon is a good sign that your case is a slam dunk.

But on another level, I'm guessing if you have low odds of survival, you won't get a female surgeon, they just won't risk operating on you.

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