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They're now calling different fitness standards for military women and men "equitable physical tests" lol

biblioscape

October 3, 2022
291 upvotes
/r/MensRights

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08995605.2022.2118486?journalCode=hmlp20

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Title They're now calling different fitness standards for military women and men "equitable physical tests" lol
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biblioscape

Upvotes 291
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Date October 3, 2022 1:05 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xu594m/theyre_now_calling_different_fitness_standards/
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Comments

[–]IceCorrect 138 points139 points140 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So they should have equitable paycheck.

[–][deleted] 118 points119 points120 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The enemy will, of course, be firing equitable bullets.

[–]allmyghtt 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean a bullet really hurts who ever it hits the same.

[–]DouglasMilnes 40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean a bullet really hurts who ever it hits the same.

No, no! Women always have it worse! Bullets know this and deliberately do more damage when striking women!

[–]Rfupon 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that is the problem! They're sexist and misogynistic! They should go slower toward woman!

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No problem.

As long as they get into the military, and get drafted.

They'll realise that the enemy isn't equitable. In the most horrible way possible.

[–]DouglasMilnes 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Most women in the forces will never be near combat. Unfortunately, women in the forces tends to mean more women in the very many supporting roles, which means more men to put in danger on the front line.

Ukraine, as an example, has about 900,000 armed forces personnel. 50,000 of those are women, of whom around 10,000 might find themselves on the front line (mostly medics, catering and delivery).

[–]throwawayincelacc 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For better or for worse. Someone on this sub posted a study once about mortality of men in mixed sex groups on the front lines. Men were way more likely to die with women in the mix. The assumption is that men were more likely to break protocol to save / protect a woman.

[–]DouglasWallace 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what the USSR found during WW2 (the soviet army had a fairly high proportion of women fighting the Nazis - about 5% of front line fighters were women). They changed tactic to keeping women in entirely separate battalions or brigades wherever feasible, so that men and women were not fighting side by side. It was also easier to rate the expected ability of troops that way, too.

[–]DouglasMilnes 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's men's natural protective instinct. An instinct that is being socially quashed as many men are now afraid to approach a woman, even if she needs help.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh no. That seems bad

[–]Morden013 36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The standards are there for a reason.

If you are not fit to be in the certain branch of the forces, no matter how you perceive it, it is not going to change. Gender has nothing to do with it.

[–]NutsLikeMelons 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only sensible response is to make a single test at the lowest possible standard so nobody fails.

[–]another-cosplaytriot 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No child left behind.

You just described and explained Millennials.

[–]Clipzy22 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That equitable standard ain't gonna work in war.

[–]McFeely_Smackup1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Hey shitlord, it's your own fault for getting shot, not hers for being unable to carry you.

[–]Clipzy22 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Cant tell if ur being sarcastic or not tbh

[–]CleverFoolOfEarth 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here's a hint: Nobody's said shitlord unironically since 2017.

[–]Clipzy22 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh... it seemed like a dumb insult so I was confused

[–]TalonOfPower 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

(Replying to you instead of the asshole so that way they don’t get any of the karma they were after)

It’s your fault for getting shot

What the fuck? Excuse me????

‘Oh yeah. I was defending my country when we got ambushed. I lost function in both my legs while trying to save children. My bad tbh’

[–]Clipzy22 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He was being sarcastic I asked lol.

[–]TalonOfPower 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh

[–]Cellbuilder2 56 points57 points58 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, uh go ahead lady medic. Pull my 169+- pound ass to safety with your wittle spaghetti arms. Oh wait, I am wearing an extra 72 pounds of junk at least. Also do not leave my 8+- pound rifle behind because I can get into serious stinking trouble if I lose it. Stick your knife into my over 7 pound hydration bladder. I can afford to lose the water...

Thwee Minutes Waytuh

I dun bleedin out here lady, we have moved eight feet, three inches and three eighths. We can do it! we ca-

call of duty tinnitus sound with wind

"In war there is no prize for the runner-up." - General Omar Bradley

[–]Paladin327 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully you didn’t have the martyr perk active…

[–]Dramatic-Essay-78721 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

so what would be your solution?

remove women from the military if there are more positions than on the frontline?

how do other nations deal with it like israel?

[–]Puppeb 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Take in the women that can pass the same tests as men can, isn't that the most obvious solution?

[–]Spartan-417 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the approach the SAS & Royal Marine Commandoes have taken

The only one to attempt to earn a Green Beret was a former Olympic athlete who had to drop out because of a bone fracture during an exercise, and none have attempted Selection

[–]droden 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they are just bullshit terms, gas lighting, and nonsense. oh the women fight pilots can only pull 4gs sustained on average and the men have to pull 8? well 4 it is! those sexist enemy missiles better take that into account but also not take that into account because either way is sexist!

[–]Wylanderuk 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Meet the standards or GTFO, its that fucking simple...

Men that try and skate through probably get more shite thrown their way and more directly.

Fuck the weight modern infantry carry is has been trending up, not down.

[–]Sortofachemist1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Was a grunt and deployed as a saw gunner...

Can confirm all the weight was carried, shit 1000rds of linked 5.56 is like 40lbs by itself.

[–]Wylanderuk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hell I was thinking of additional crap like body armour, NODs, etc.

Its not going to help weight issues with the new rifle that the US forces are bringing in with the larger round.

Look on the bright side at least you were not the 240 gunner ;-)

[–]CrazedBurritoe 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So now men and women aren’t biologically the same? I can’t follow their shtick anymore.

[–]Ctrl_Alt_Abstergo 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the thing that pisses me off about this: I'm a power-lifter. I'm pretty physically capable. I'm just not much of a runner. Based on what I know about military standards, I could pass on nearly every front, except running. I'm also fairly intelligent. All of this combined wouldn't qualify me for a support role in backend logistics. But on the other hand, women get reduced requirements across the board and are thus eligible for every position by official US rules.

[–]ANUS_CONE 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullets, bombs, and grenades travel at the same velocity regardless of the gender to whom they're being fired at.

[–]Acrobatic_Sport_7664 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's hope the enemy has equitable standards when trying to kill them.

[–]321_hex_DS 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They have been this way forever.

Look at pushup standards, mile run standards across the branches.

Women can generally run 20% slower and do 30-50% the number of pushups and achieve the same score.

[–]the-peanut-gallery -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's actually broken down further into age categories as well. For most jobs, it's not really all that applicable how many push ups you can do anyways.

[–]DouglasWallace 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

For most jobs, it's not really all that applicable how many push ups you can do anyways.

Is it any more or less applicable to a woman than a man?

[–]the-peanut-gallery -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You could say the same about age. The older you are the lower the standards. The standards really aren't all that high, you have to let yourself go quite a bit to get to a point you can't pass. These aren't some crazy high standard that you have to constantly train for to meet.

[–]DouglasWallace 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You could say the same about age

But are the number of push ups (which you say are "not really all that applicable" any more or less applicable to a woman than a man of the same age?

Age at least tends to bring wisdom and extra skills to compensate for any lack of physical prowess. We know that feminists say that women are non-violent and peaceful, so what do women bring extra to military units that make up for having lower standards?

[–]countrymace -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The point of push-ups is to ensure physical fitness. A fit old person can do less push-ups than a fit young person. A fit man can do more push-ups than a fit woman. All can be at their peak level of fitness, but they will be able to do different amounts of push-ups. It’s not designed to test strength because obviously people have different body weights.

[–]DouglasWallace 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But are the number of push ups any more or less applicable to a woman than a man of the same age? Are women the equal of men or not? If not, why is it not right to demand equal work for equal pay?

[–]Wylanderuk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But how do the standards for older men stack up against the ones for younger women?

If say a 40-year-old man still has to perform at a higher standard than a 20-year-old woman then frankly what use is the 20-year-old woman?

Those 20 years of experience give him value that the 20-year-old will not have.

Fuck I am pretty sure the max standards for women are still lower than the min standards for men.

[–]nikogetsit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I say let's not complain about people who enlist in the military because if they don't enlist then I get drafted and I don't want to be drafted. Chill yo.

[+]Woozuki -14 points-13 points-12 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I hope the Russians win.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The tragedy is that we have already lost. 'War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which believes nothing is worth a war is worse.' John Stuart Mill.

Back in WW2, the comedian Bob Hope would, famously, take attractive actresses (Rita Hayworth, mainly) with him when he toured Pacific theatres of war, trying to raise morale. 'Never forget boys.... THIS is what you're fighting for!' Well, Rita has been replaced by a blue-haired, tattooed harpie with a nose stud, who says she can fight her own battles. You're not selling it to me, Bob....

[–]Woozuki 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly this.

We need female conscription at this point.

Society will crumble when all the males stop caring, which is rapidly happening.

[–]dumwitxh 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Retard

[–]Frosty_Plantain2951 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not like women can compete in equal fitness tests.

You either water down the tests to the lowest level score, or you simply score different people differently.

Tbh, all wars now are button and drone wars. Other than some special forces teams, you don’t really need boots on the ground unless you’re trying to take territory, and what’s the point of that these days?

Not sure how the transgenders will be judged. Poorly I assume.

I’m fine with lower standard women doing…whatever they do. Just don’t prioritize them in any way compared to men when the bodies start falling.

And charge them with desertion for getting pregnant. As that’s just desertion from duty by intentional fraud.

[–]Angryasfk 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All button and drone wars are they? That’s always been the standard feminist line. Perhaps you should look at the pack the average grunt has to carry. The fact they’re called “grunts” says it all.

[–][deleted] 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]TanPat_1712 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I refuse to post such a comment without source, and will be deleting since I cant find the article.

[–]Outrageous_Fondant12 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The new army PT test was problematic from the start. For the most part, I enjoy it, but you need to train hard if you want to excel at it. That by itself is fine. I know that most in the Reserve and Guard are only doing the minimum work to pass, if that.

But for those of us wanting to score as high as we can it’s more like a competitive multiplayer online game with micro transactions. Paying for better training, gym memberships, CrossFit, supplements, etc. all costs more than the average Soldier can do time or money wise. Whereas with the previous test, all you needed to practice were push-ups, sit-ups, and the 2 mile run. Anyone can train for that anywhere. No so much with the new test and it’s requirements for extra gear.

It will be interesting to see the data on passing/fail rates over the next 2 years across all components.

[–]TalonOfPower 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I NEED BACKUP NOW, ENEMIES IN THE NORTHERN MOST BUILDING. WE ARE HELD DOWN!!

Sergeant, your backup will be late

Why?!? I NEED IT!! My men are dying!!

She tripped and fell on the way there. She needed immediate healing cause she sprained her ankle. Xoxoxo

[–]SweetAccomplished542 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate these bastards running these countries.

[–]bubbybyrd -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Equality doesn't mean Equitity

[–]DouglasWallace 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And equity doesn't measure anything. As soon as the global men's movement started to point out that women in most nations had more than equality, the global feminists came up with this equity stuff.

First it was equality of opportunity, then equality of outcome, now it is outright female supremacy under the heading of 'equity'.

[–]bubbybyrd -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean, if a nation had 300 million people and an unlimited military budget, would you rather have an army consisting of 100M men or 100M men + 50M women?

[–]DouglasWallace 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean, if a nation had 300 million people and an unlimited military budget, would you rather have an army consisting of 100M men or 100M men + 50M women?

I have been brought up in a society where equality was rammed down my throat. Women are equal; women can do all that a man can do; women deserve to be treated equally. It was always fairly clear that what was really meant was that women should be given all the advantages of men without taking on any of the disadvantages but at least the pretence was there.

So, why aren't women equal? Women asked for, and men gave them, equal pay for equal work. That's fine and I support it wholeheartedly. I also support equal work for equal pay. If someone isn't going to work as hard, they don't deserve the same pay and they don't deserve equal treatment by employers.

So, to come back to your question, if women are equals to men, if an army consists of 100M people, it should have 50M women and if an army consists of 150M people, it should have 75M women. Otherwise, why should I continue to see women as men's equal?

(Note: being not equal does not imply being inferior as a person.)

[–]bubbybyrd -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My point is that if you have 100M / 50M people willing to join the military, you should not send 25M males home and draft 25M females. That should not even be considered an option, much less a metric of "equality". In terms of the military, anyone who is willing or capable of fighting should be allowed to do so. It is pointless to gatekeep women out of a position in the military in 2022.

[–]Wylanderuk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

anyone who is willing or capable of fighting should be allowed to do so

Swap the or for an and, the Military is not a fucking good group social engineering bullshit if it lowers capability. The US Marines did a study that shows quite clearly that all male units work better than any other combination in all metrics in combat.

Do I have a problem with women in the military? Nope, but for front line units you have to meet the minimum standards and that one should be the male standard, or you are a fucking liability.

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