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Russia sends fathers who don't pay child support to fight in Ukraine

sambiak

October 25, 2022
141 upvotes
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/10/25/russia-sends-fathers-who-dont-pay-child-support-fight-ukraine/
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Title Russia sends fathers who don't pay child support to fight in Ukraine
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sambiak

Upvotes 141
Comments 29
Date October 25, 2022 9:11 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ydfwbj/russia_sends_fathers_who_dont_pay_child_support/
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[–]sambiak[S] 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Russian military recruiters are targeting fathers who neglect to pay child maintenance and sending them off to fight in Ukraine.

Margarita Simonyan, the influential chief of the RT television network, at the weekend confirmed reports that officials overseeing the mobilisation drive had answered women’s requests to conscript their ex-husbands or boyfriends who had not paid child maintenance.

Ms Simonyan said she recently met the mayor of Sochi, who reported progress on the mobilisation drive that Vladimir Putin announced last month.

“He said he first took the list of strategically important enterprises to make sure their staff are not conscripted - and then asked court bailiffs for a list of notorious non-payers of alimony, people who won’t do their duty by their children - they were sent out,” Ms Simonyan said.

“Now they will not only do their duty by their children by making the pay-outs from their allowance but also do their duty by their homeland.”

President Putin last month shocked Russia by announcing a partial military mobilisation to bolster the Kremlin’s forces in Ukraine that have suffered staggering battlefield losses.

Men too old or ill grabbed by recruiters

The mobilisation drive sparked an uproar, with even men who were too old or too ill being grabbed by military recruiters and sent off to the front lines with minimal training and substandard equipment.

Sergey Mironov, the leader of a pro-Kremlin party, last month said he had been fielding requests from women pleading with him to have the fathers of their children mobilised.

Russian celebrities have also joined the drive.

Music producer Iosif Prigozhin, a father of six, last week called on men to be “responsible” and pay alimony or face the call-up, while Dana Borisova, a former Playboy model, went public about her ex-husband, urging the authorities to conscript him.

[–]sambiak[S] 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

“I have a non-payer of alimony living next door - the father of my daughter,” Ms Borisova said.

“Unfortunately, he has not received military summons yet. I do think it’d be great if he showed some responsibility, if not to his own daughter, but at least to his country.”

[–]psylikik 81 points82 points83 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Imagine her level of privilege to sit there, exempt from the draft, ordering her ex husband to get thrown onto the front lines, all while being entitled to child support and alimony. Immense entitlement.

Not sure what else to say man. Every time I think men couldn’t be more disenfranchised, the world continues to surprise me.

[–]WaffleStomperGirl 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exempt for now

[–]Alataire 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently they have 25 million eligible men before they have to start sending in women. It will be a very cold winter before they start drafting women.

[–]WaffleStomperGirl 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet they had to add farmers to the active call list, and are trying to conscript Afghan militias.

If they truly thought it possible to send millions of men, one has to wonder why in the ever loving hell they’d send their food suppliers.

[–]TrickleDownWokenessleft-wing male advocate 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine her level of privilege to sit there, exempt from the draft, ordering her ex husband to get thrown onto the front lines, all while being entitled to child support and alimony. Immense entitlement.

Won't be getting any child support or alimony for long once he's on the front lines! /snark

The snark is not directed at you, just the situation. How incredibly ridiculous.

[–]FastestSinner 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

child maintenance

I believe that it's important to mention a few things:

1) Those payments are not just child maintenance. Legally, their purpose is to both provide for the child and to maintain the mother's lifestyle at a level a judge has deemed her to be entitled to. That is, from a western point of view they're child support and spousal support all rolled into one payment.

2) The amount a man will owe is not decided based on his income or earning potential - it's arbitrary, so it's not uncommon for a man to be saddled with a payment that he can't afford from the start. The tradeoff is that normally those payments aren't strictly enforced and the penalties not very harsh.

3) Culturally, the purpose of those payments is considered to be punishment first and foremost.

Source: am Russian

[–]Deadlocked02 46 points47 points48 points 3 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

This news hit the frontpage last week and it’s honestly so dreadful that I didn’t even bother opening the thread, because the world is so fucked up I’m sure there would be plenty of people supporting it, if not the majority.

It’s not only another case where men are harmed by the choices of those who hold institutional power, it’s also about average citizens putting the life of these men on the line by their own choice and possibly sentencing them to death or mutilation. That makes it much more fucked up.

And it’s even more ironic that this comes up in a time where female bodily autonomy is such a hot topic. They obviously assume that all of these men tricked these women into bearing their kids, then bailed on them when they got bored. They’ll never stop to consider that many of these women lied about being on the pill. That many of these guys were unemployed. That they were raped and never wanted a child in the first place.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Why assume such wild scenarios? The vastly more likely one would be that the sex was consensual, the pregnancy was accidental, and the woman chose to keep the baby for moral/religious reasons.

[–]dekadoka 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women get a choice, and men have to pay for their decision (for ~18 years). Seems fair.

[–]sambiak[S] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I imagine that he is talking about rape as lying about birth control is seen as a sexual agression in some countries (like Germany for example). Some people see this not as a sexual agression but as a rape, as there was no consent to having children.

[–]Interesting_Doubt_17 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

rape as lying about birth control is seen as a sexual agression in some countries (like Germany for example)

Based Germany

[–]Martijngamerleft-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Time for Germany to invade Russia. What could go wrong.

[–]hbar105 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least wait until winter’s over this time

[–]Interesting_Doubt_17 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

BTW, can you link an article so we can see for ourselves?

[–]sambiak[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What article do you want me to link ?

[–]Interesting_Doubt_17 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

About Germany and its laws prohibiting lying about taking birth control

[–]sambiak[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/crime/stealthing-germany-woman-jailed-condoms-b2073579.html

German law covers only removal and modification of condoms not all birth controls.

[–]Interesting_Doubt_17 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you

[–]Throwawayingaccount 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

and the woman chose to keep the baby for moral/religious reasons.

What is the availibility of abortion like over in Russia? I wouldn't be surprised if it was availible 'on paper', but not actually availible.

[–]Deadlocked02 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Abortion is legal up to the 12th week. They have a high abortion rate since the Soviet Union. In fact, the highest in the world.

[–]FastestSinner 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As the other user mentioned, it's legal up to the 12th week for everyone, up to the 22nd week for victims of sexual violence and completely unrestricted if there is medical necessity. It's also free as part of the national healthcare plan that automatically applies to anyone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the pregnancy was accidental, and the woman chose to keep the baby for moral/religious reasons.

Behold, the femifascist/j

[–]sambiak[S] 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

SS : This article creeped me out. The duty to the country and to the children are seen as the same. These men having given up their imposed duties as fathers are expected to pay with their lives.

I understand the need for two parents to support the growth of kids even if I think the state should step in if one of the two parents doesn't want to be a parent. But sending people to their deaths for a moral digression and their sex leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

[–]gratis_eekhoorn 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

can someone archive it? full article is not visible for me

[–]sambiak[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ydfwbj/russia_sends_fathers_who_dont_pay_child_support/itrwtmb/

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And people STILL say misandry doesnt exist. The mind boggles. Legitimately men are seen as second class citizens.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should also send the women who commit paternity fraud.

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