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Helen Smith: 8 Reasons Straight Men Don't Want To Get Married

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June 25, 2013

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Title	Helen Smith: 8 Reasons Straight Men Don't Want To Get Married
Author	nopurposeflour
Upvotes	53
Comments	60
Date	June 25, 2013 4:20 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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I'm 40. Been married twice. Co-habituated a couple of times. Do you want specifics, or were you being smarmy because I'm on the receiving end of a lot of downvotes?

The old joke about sex stopping after she eats the wedding cake is there for a reason.

I don't know what the parameters were for the survey. I bet if you ask newlyweds you'll get a different answer than most married couple 5 or 10 years in. Hell, if we take these findings to their logical extent, my grandparents should be fucking like rabbits.

Isn't that the problem? Age, race, demographics?

I got called out for anecdotal evidence, but isn't that what a survey is comprised of? Lots of anecdotal evidence? And it relies on honesty. Whoever heard of a poll or a survey that wasn't based on anecdotal evidence? I guess my friends and affiliates opinions' don't rate with the 200 people (or 1,000, still a small sample) surveyed in this study? It's Bible?

Fuck everyone that downvotes or questions my stupid anecdotal evidence. That's what your survey is based on, and I added my 2 cents. It was meant to be humorous, but the anal of this group decided to get all serious.

Downvote me all you like. I call it like it is. Be offended or whatever. Thats what feminists do. I'm drunk. Fuck off.

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Fair enough, how much easier should avoiding pregnancy and childbirth be before you would feel like someone becoming a parent against their will would be more a men's issue than otherwise?

Logically there must be a point. Abortions are hard? OK, lets just take them off the table and see what else is out there.

Like what if there was a pill that was highly effective (nearly 90%) if just taken within five days, would that be easy enough? Easy enough to say that whatever gender that could do that probably wouldnt end up being parents when they werent ready?

What if regular birth control pills, and not emergency contraception, was covered by women's insurance by federal mandate? Covered, no copays, which yeah isnt technically "free" but since everyone has to have insurance now and if you cant afford it then its provided I feel like we're getting really really really really close to "free". Would that be easy enough that maybe you would consider that possibly it was less likely women could become parents against their will?

What if it wasnt just birth control for women but also "injectables, the ring, contraceptive implants, diaphragms, cervical caps, and non-surgical permanent contraceptives"? Maybe then?

What if even after all of those options, there was still just giving the baby to the state with no questions asked and no threat of child support enforcement or anything like that, like you could literally ring a bell and walk the fuck away...what about then?

No.. So what do you think its possible that we can do to make not becoming a parent against a woman's will easier?

Im sorry but Im having trouble seeing how being forced into parenthood is a women's issue in the west.

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Given that women can surrender their obligations to their children in one of several ways, why can men not do the same?

If the interests of the child are so important, then

safe haven laws should be amended so that when the mother surrenders her child, she must provide child support for 18 years.
abortion should be repealed unilaterally
surrendering your child for adoption should be abolished.
mothers who abandon their children in dumpsters, public toilets and local riverbeds should be tried for attempted murder if the child survives, or murder if the infant dies.

However, we as a society are satisfied that sometimes the interests of an adult are at least equal, if not paramount over those of a child. Except in the cases above, only the interests of the mother are considered, not the interests of the father.

Men are ATMs to the child support industry. This needs to be changed.

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I agree that this is in need of change. I just hate the circlejerky attitude here that child support only has ever existed because women oppressors love taking money from men. 'Cause that's bull. The majority of America's government could use a big rehaul, but that's a gigantic topic to get into. I don't see anything really wrong with women having more options to abandon a child when they physically have the child inside of their own bodies for nine months.

I'm a fairly liberal person and think early-term abortions should be legal. I think women should pay child support if a father has to raise his child with sole custody, but that's rarer than I can state. Usually the only time that happens is if the female parent is totally unfit, and then she'd be unfit to pay, too. I think putting up for adoption should be something mutually agreed upon, unless there's a very valid reason for only one parent to have a say. ANYONE who abandons infants in dumpsters and the like should be tried for attempted/actual murder.

There is more equality required, but we're not going to get that by abolishing parental support entirely.

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