Sweden's 'man-free' feminist music festival is found guilty of discrimination by authorities

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You didn't take the effort to reply to anything in my text.

you've failed to present any argument further than "I feel..." so that's why you're dismissed.

Where did you present any argument for your 'they are more violent because… they are more violent' hypothesis? Your text is definitely more emotional than mine, why do you belittle my opinion based on the accusation that it's'only' about feeling?

If you want to be taken seriously […]

otherwise you're just another piece of noise in the gamma radiation background of morons putting their opinion into the ether.

I'll pass on the effort convincing someone who is that self-absorbed. Try applying your standards to yourself. Show us your arguments for your explanation. If you actually have one.

Just as 'they are more violent' isn't a great answer to the statistical overrepresentation of domestic violence from men against women, it isn't a great answer to the question why lesbian couples report more domestic violence than heterosexual and gay couples.

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is paper presents a narrative review on IPV occurring in same sex couples, that is, same sex IPV (SSIPV). Despite the myth that IPV is exclusively an issue in heterosexual relationships, many studies have revealed the existence of IPV among lesbian and gay couples, and its incidence is comparable to (Turell, 2000) or higher than that among heterosexual couples (Messinger, 2011; Kelley et al., 2012).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6113571/

There are significant barriers to lesbians seeking help. Lesbian victims seldom report violent incidents to the police because many fear prejudicial treatment, and many state domestic violence laws fail to protect same-sex partners (9). Also, in cases of same-sex violence, police often assume the abuse is mutual (or believe an abuser�s claim that the abuse is mutual) and are more likely to arrest both members of the couple (14). Battered women�s agencies also may not be open to serving lesbians (2,3).

https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

People who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, intersex or queer (LGBTIQ) experience intimate partner violence at similar rates as those who identify as heterosexual.

https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/intimate-partner-violence-lgbtiq-communities

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The link that person posted doesn’t even work for me. Did you click it?

Yes, and it works just fine.

As for the YouTube video, someone else posted stats where what that cop is saying literally isn’t true.

Gee, who would I trust on this... A police officer or a random person on the internet who refutes every statement others make without a single link to back up his or her claims? Gonna go with the first one there.

And besides, rape is rape no matter whether that person is a stranger or not.

No one ever said it wasn't. You're completely fucking ignoring the entire point. Like, could you possibly be more intellectually dishonest in your position?

This is why so many just give up on trying to discuss things. You're the anti-vaxxer in this discussion. You're the flat earther. I really hope that sinks in.

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I'm "pulling it out of my ass"? buddy, please, do some research. sexual crimes in sweden have skyrocketed in line with the introduction of north african/middle eastern "refugees" - in fact, in neighbouring Norway (with similar policies) they actually have classes where they teach the newcomers that it's not okay to rape women. why do you think they'd have to teach them such a thing? oh right - because in those parts of the world, feminism hasn't drifted over yet. you have to understand just how western the idea of women's rights are. sweden particularly is one of the most (and proudly so) feminist/egalitarian societies out there, so why on earth would it be the natives raping the women? the native swede men are a bunch of pussies who've been raised in a feminist country, whereas the muslims weren't. do the fucking maths. there are no-go areas not because the muslims are scared, but because the natives are scared of them. I fucking wonder why.

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Basic fact about statistics: correlation does not imply causation.

The no-go zones are not just as simple as “white people are scared of the evil brown people!!” there’s way more to it than that and most of them have nothing to do with immigrants, it’s just Swedish police getting better at identifying risky areas which are present in literally every country. As for the “rape classes” in Norway, they’re not as bad as you make them seem. Those immigrants are willingly and on their own accord going to them in order to learn more about the culture and assimilate in this new completely foreign environment. It opens up dialogue and people from a completely foreign land can better understand Western cultural queues. I don’t see what’s wrong with that and I don’t think it means anything.

You can make assumptions and oversimplifications all you want. You clearly don’t care about the facts.

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The no-go zones are not just as simple as “white people are scared of the evil brown people!!” there’s way more to it than that and most of them have nothing to do with immigrants, it’s just Swedish police getting better at identifying risky areas which are present in literally every country.

can you please stop this needless bullshit? if the police tell you that you cannot go into those areas because they won't be able to save you if you get into trouble because they will be heavily outnumbered by essentially a mob of muslims, that is more than merely a risky area - that is an area of a nation that is "blacked out", and I don't mean in the racial sense - I mean that in the "loss of hope" sense.

Those immigrants are willingly and on their own accord going to them in order to learn more about the culture and assimilate in this new completely foreign environment.

actually no - there are consequences for not showing up to those, i.e. loss of benefits.

also: "new environment" = "this new country where I can't just rape girls anymore" = "this is a weird country, maybe I don't want to adjust to this so suddenly" = "I feel like molesting little swedish girls - they're easy meat here"

really - I'm stunned at the lengths you're going through to bury your head in the sand.

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lmao

right, let's take a look at these links then. this will be funny.

Are they no-go zones?

Well, not really. This term caught on in international media after it was used by a columnist to label these areas, but police and emergency services have themselves repeatedly rejected it,

because they're scared of coming off as racist, as is swedish custom at this stage. that's why they don't report racial demographics of crime. no shit.

arguing that these are areas with a higher police presence, if anything.

buuuuut then it says:

That said, emergency services do often adapt their behaviour, for example by making sure that there is proper back-up, by entering the areas via alternative routes, or by reversing their vehicles into the areas in order to make sure they are able to leave quickly if needed.

so they aren't "no go areas" - they're just those areas that we know that we might have to get out of once we get into them - so they aren't "no go", they're "go, then run the fuck away from" zones. "they aren't no go zones - they're obviously known to be extremely dangerous zones, but we choose not to call them no go zones because that's racist~"

Emergency services have, for example, been exposed to threats, stone-throwing,

so exactly as I put it to you: anti-police mob violence.

or vandalism of their vehicles. But it's not black and white: often, nothing of note happens.

except the odd grenade attack, and the odd night of setting cars on fire(!)

those areas are absolutely no go zones. that article is a fucking swedish PC-job. "they're not no-go zones - we prefer the term "vulnerable areas" because we feel so sorry for the violent people that attack us there because they hate it when we enforce the law to stop them from committing crimes, i.e. sexual assault"

and as for these anti-rape courses:

https://youtu.be/eINHMEe-VZw?t=55

as it plainly states from 1:07 : "classes on norwegian culture (context = anti-rape classes, though) are now compuslory for all asylum seekers - if they don't go, their benefits are cut" - like I already fucking told you.

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Ah, so what you're telling me is that you didn't read any of the articles. I love how you dismiss anything that you don't like as just Sweden being PC. Feelings over facts right?

because they're scared of coming off as racist, as is swedish custom at this stage. that's why they don't report racial demographics of crime. no shit.

According to who? You? Why should I trust you over a fucking fire chief in Sweden?

A fire chief in an area which covers some of northern Stockholm's most vulnerable suburbs, including Rinkeby and Tensta, told the Local earlier this year: “We don't have any no-go zones, absolutely not, the opposite in fact. We move around in all areas, with the same force, at the same speed."

You can yell "pc pc everything i don't lilke is just pc" all you want. I really don't care. No one should trust a random redditor over a primary source.

And then you say,

those areas are absolutely no go zones. that article is a fucking swedish PC-job. "they're not no-go zones - we prefer the term "vulnerable areas" because we feel so sorry for the violent people that attack us there because they hate it when we enforce the law to stop them from committing crimes, i.e. sexual assault"

What the fuck are you even on? Most of those places are no-go zones because of gang violence, which has been going on in Sweden since the 1990s.

There are currently around 5,000 criminals and 200 criminal networks in these vulnerable areas, according to police estimates.

It feels good to assume everything bad is from some evil people from a foreign country. But that's literally not reality.

According to someone who actually fucking lived and grew up in one of these zones,

There are a lot of people on low incomes with immigrant backgrounds you know, but most young people, the children of parents who have come here, are studying and have jobs. But there's also those who went wrong and ended up outside of society, and then they get all the headlines because no one goes to interview an average young person studying at university. So it's a little bit of seeing what you want to see.

As for the rape classes, you said in your earlier comment,

also: "new environment" = "this new country where I can't just rape girls anymore" = "this is a weird country, maybe I don't want to adjust to this so suddenly" = "I feel like molesting little swedish girls - they're easy meat here"

What the fuck is actually wrong with you? In no Muslim culture is rape okay and accepted. It's literally a major sin in in the religion.

Literally the person who ran this program says,

"Everyone is in agreement that rape is bad," she later tells AFP. "But there are all these grey zones, these situations that are a little difficult to grasp... The problem can arise with any of us."

Why should I listen to some dumbass on reddit over someone who fucking ran the program? These people literally just don't know the culture. They're not used to such a sexually open culture. And they want to learn.

Some of the things they said:

"But if she's drunk, how can I be sure that she wants to sleep with me?" asks a Sudanese man.

"If she says no, I don't do anything against her will," insists a third.

"In my opinion it's not men who did that. They're animals. They're sick people," says Sulaiman Adel, a 42 year-old Syrian.

I know this is hard to believe, but they're literally just normal people.

And I love how I get downvoted for sticking to facts and you get upvoted for making racist assumptions. Just goes to show what kind of people you are.

I don't care about downvotes, just please look at the facts instead of assuming shit. Please.

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Here you go!

https://i.imgur.com/Le36oZt.png

Types of rape:

Vulnerability 22.1%

Relations 16.6%

Assault 15.0%

Other 11.1%

Partyrelated 35.2%

https://i.imgur.com/kKVB7zV.png

Perpetrators country/contintental background

Asia 18.7%

Middle east 12.3%

Africa 21.9%

which when added together is 52.9% of total rape-perpetrators.

"In 2010, the immigrant community grew by 57,000, which accounted for 90% of Norway's population growth; some 2% of newborn children were of immigrant background (two foreign parents). These statistics indicate that Norway's population is now 87.8% ethnic Norwegian, a figure that has steadily decreased since the late 20th century. Some 12.2% of the population is of solely immigrant background, while 5.7% of the population is of mixed Norwegian-foreign ancestry. People of other European ethnicity are 5.8% of the total, while Asians (including Pakistanis, and Iraqis) are 4.3%, Africans 1.5%, and others 0.6%"

And that's norways WHOLE immigration statistics, not Oslo's.

Sources:

Pie charts: https://www.politiet.no/globalassets/dokumenter/oslo/rapporter/voldtekt/voldtekt-i-den-globale-byen-oslo-2012.pdf

Population:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway

And I know you aren't going to reply or care about this comment but others might, people like you do not want to see the truth.

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Yes, as I said.

Oslo's rape statistics 2011

I was talking about Oslo which is Norways capital city, you do know that right?

If you look at this graph:

https://i.imgur.com/3nX3Ll5.png

There were 256 total reported rapes in Oslo which means 52.9% of those were commited by people with backgrounds from Asia, Africa and "other" and those made up a total of 6.4% of Norway's whole population.

256*0.529=135 rapes were from people from these regions which is over half.

Why would it be so wildly different in norway compared to rest of Europe? Obviously people from these regions are overrepresented in violent crimes, but we need to figure out why. In Sweden, BRÅ doesn't even wanna release numbers on ethnicities in violent crimes such as rape, assault etc as it would prove Sverigedemokraterna(An immigrant critical party) right.

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Obviously they aren’t the cause of all rape in Europe; however rapes have increased with the floods of refugees/immigrants. The unfortunate thing is that it is nearly impossible to say that refugees/immigrants are the cause because it’s such a touchy issue. I read a couple of articles today that went through all of the major increases in sexual violence in Sweden and the UK - at the bottom of each article was a tiny blurb that said “oh yeah and there were 160k refugees from war torn Africa and the Middle East entering the countries during this period.”

It’s really unfortunate that we can’t talk about anything without the same old tired arguments. For instance, I’m from Calgary and a decade ago there was a pretty big gang war here. It was Chinese, Korean, Sudanese, and Lebanese gangs fighting over the drug trade here. But it seemed like you couldn’t bring up the race of the criminals without being branded a racist. Even though the gangs were literally divided by race! Our murder rate doubled due to these groups yet it wasn’t because of them? It’s absurd.

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Title	Sweden's 'man-free' feminist music festival is found guilty of discrimination by authorities
Author	blackhat8287
Upvotes	4138
Comments	347
Date	December 19, 2018 12:04 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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