I think we maintain chivalry while pursuing an "equal" society:

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-04-10T18:08:42+00:00

The part of chivalry that pedestalizes women is a big part of how feminism was enabled to begin with. More pedestalization style chivalry will only fan the flames.

Sure be civil with people and have basic manners. No need to act rudely.

Tsui_Red · 2023-04-10T16:25:13+00:00

In a society like American society where traditionalism is dead as far as women, chivalry is another word fpr door mat. They "Dont need no man" to paraphrase the television, so they don't need you to open doors carry groceries or serve them in any way and doing so only further debases yourself into being their "slave". They made the choice, let them live with it

metalanejack · 2023-04-10T17:12:16+00:00

And the solution is abandon chivalry. Men do it to themselves sometimes. This is not the Middle Ages.

Diligent_Divide_4978 · 2023-04-10T18:41:22+00:00

So simping is biological?

g1455ofwater · 2023-04-10T21:54:17+00:00

You're advocating simping.

Here's another way of thinking about it. Why do you refuse to use the resources that you spend helping women on helping men? What do you have against men that you won't help them? Men are in a more dire situation now so logically it makes more sense to spend your resources helping men.

Greg_W_Allan · 2023-04-11T01:15:47+00:00

There's a huge difference between opening doors and going down with the ship.

The original chivalry had NOTHING to do with women. It was an honour code relating to the ways the elites treated those subordinate to them. It was eventually hijacked by women and distorted to the point of triviality.

mrkpxx · 2023-04-10T16:39:10+00:00

Assuming a woman can't open a door is sexist. On the other hand, what do you demand that women sacrifice for men?

Punder_man · 2023-04-10T19:44:45+00:00

Feminism wants all the benefits of Chivalry without any of the attached expectations / responsibilities that go with it (Namely treating chivalrous men with equal respect)

Its much like everything with feminism.. they want all the benefits of rights / privileges but none of the responsibilities that go with them and yet they see no issue with men having to deal with the responsibilities that come with rights / privileges
For example, men being forced to sign up to be drafted if they want to vote, drive a car, get student loan or any form of government aid in the USA while women do not

We can still be respectful towards women but in all honesty, Chivalry is dead and there's no point in being chivalrous when at best it will be ignored and at worst you will be called a misogynistic 'nice guy'

So why bother?

CrowMagpie · 2023-04-10T20:15:38+00:00

I hold a door open for people based on who got to the door first. If that's a woman, so be it; if that's a man, so be it.

And if somebody holds a door open for me - male or female - I'll take it.

hendrixski · 2023-04-10T21:34:35+00:00

I was defending the notion of "Women and children first", which that thread suggested was evidence of a societal norm being oppressive against men.

If you're drowning on a ship, and somebody says "no, you have to stay and die but that other person gets to go first on the life raft... and the decision is made solely based on gender"... so Chivalry dictates that your life is worth less than hers. Would you not call that oppressive against men?

Let me tell you about what it's like to be a single dad. I was part of the single-digit percent of men who won full custody of a child in a disputed divorce. So when I traveled with my son there was nobody to help me while I carry him and our bags. Oftentimes women would not open a door for me. One time that I'll never forget: I was going into a starbucks (the one near Union Square in San Francisco) and a woman who saw me struggling to shepard my son through while I had shopping bags in my hands, just stood there and watched me struggle. Then she mumbled some comment about how I didn't keep the door open for her since she was behind me... as if I didn't hold it because I wasn't a "gentleman" rather than because I had to chase a hyperactive 3-year old.

So yes, The societal expectation that you hold doors for people based on gender is in fact oppressive against men. Fuck that noise. Hold doors open for people who need it (like dads), and not for people based on their gender.

LilConstipation · 2023-04-11T05:09:12+00:00

Women and children first? That's not only sexist but putting male lives under female lives just because of their gender. That is one of the worst things about misandry. Nobody should be saved last and being disproportionally exposed to danger just because of their genitals.

IndividualFox974 · 2023-04-11T08:47:28+00:00

The fact that you think that women deserve respect, well...., for being women, is nothing but peak stupidity.

And no, I don't agree with the "Women and children first" narrative. Male lives are equally as important. To hell with the empathy gap.

Chivalry (A.K.A Simping) is what brought things to this level in the first place. Chivalry should be completely stopped.

Exactly 100% of the female population are not worth enough to be chivalric.

No_Discipline_7867 · 2023-04-11T09:08:20+00:00

We do. Which is weird since women have surpassed men in many ways.

Low_Philosophy_8 · 2023-04-11T16:17:52+00:00

Well men are killing themselves off a lot so...

Title	I think we maintain chivalry while pursuing an "equal" society:
Author	metalanejack
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Comments	56
Date	April 10, 2023 4:17 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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