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Feminists don’t believe in feminism either

Heavy_Grand2526

April 20, 2023
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/r/MensRights
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Title Feminists don’t believe in feminism either
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Heavy_Grand2526

Upvotes 58
Comments 22
Date April 20, 2023 5:55 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
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Comments

[–]HamletsRazor 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism is not about women's rights or equality.

It's about power. Period.

[–]NeoVidia 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll say it once and say it again. Feminism is the worst that has happened to any humans rights in the last few decades.

[–]AskingToFeminists 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This article misses the most glaring way in which feminists, all feminists, actually don't believe in feminism.

It's a way that has been pointed out by Karen Straughan : feminism claims that the world is set up by men for men to oppress women. But if that was the case, complaining about that would be utterly ineffective. The men in power would just have gone "so what?" And kept ignoring and oppressing women. Calling someone a misogynist and somehow hoping it would have any effect on them is absurd, unless you do believe that they aren't a misogynist.

I mean, if, for some weird reason, you had a bunch of black people telling to slave owners "you are racists!", at most, the reaction would have been a "yeah, of course. Now go back to the plantation." It wouldn't have been to bend over backward to prove that of course no, they aren't. And in fact, the bunch of black people wouldn't even think of such a course of action, for the very reason that they too believed the slave owner was racist, and so telling it to him wouldn't serve a purpose.

The whole modus operandi of feminism and the level of success and influence it has achieved are in themselves proof that feminism is wrong and feminists don't actually believe it.

[–]SaltSpecialistSalt 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

feminism claims that the world is set up by men for men to oppress women. But if that was the case, complaining about that would be utterly ineffective. The men in power would just have gone "so what?"

good point. if protesting and complaining worked women in saudi arabia would just protest and get equal rights. lol

[–]Baldr-throw 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Have they done that to a significant extent? There is a misconception of these "misogynistic societies" that all of the men are pro the status quo and all the when against, and thus all the women are being oppressed by all of the men. But it's actually quite mixed, just as the abortion debate isn't divided between the genders, it's intact almost at parity.

[–]SaltSpecialistSalt 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have never heard of any womens movement in saudi arabia. but the new king MBS have lifted the ban on women driving cars. you might laugh it off as a small thing but keep in mind that the country is absolute monarchy and he didnt have any obligation todo so . IMO in the end they will have to give women more rights because both women and men are resources for society and they are under utilizing half of the "resources" with the status quo

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the new king MBS have lifted the ban on women driving cars

Another privilege Saudi women have lost. They'll have to drive themselves now instead of being chauffeured.

[–]Top_Intelligence 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have been oppressed in Saudi Arabia for a long time. At least now its getting better.

[–]Top_Intelligence -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Historically the strong oppressed the weak and men oppressed women. It's just facts.

[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course! Feminism invented men caring about women around 1900. Before that, women had absolutely no influence whatsoever, no ability to decide anything in their lives, let alone affect how their society was run. In fact, women are so inept at anything they they could barely speak. And men were so monstrous that they treated their mothers, their sisters and their daughters with the utmost disregards, without ever considering that women could want something, let alone try to help them. After all, we've never seen men using their power and influence to try to get in the good graces of women, that just doesn't happen, and women themselves never had any...

I hope you read that with a tone of voice dripping with sarcasm, because it was intended to be.

Seriously. The only reason feminism insist so much on female powerlessness historically is because it decides to willfully blind itself to it. This makes feminism one of the most misogynistic ideology out there.

Sorry to tell you this, but women are just as human as men, it means just as capable. And men are actually human, too, which means they are gifted with a sense of care and empathy.

Throughout history, men and women have had separate roles, both restrictive and oppressive in different and complementary ways. Rhroughout history, men and women both have had tremendous influence over their societies.

It's not by happenstance if the liberation of women gender roles happened when it did : it was along with automation reducing the necessity of strength in work, equalising the playing field a lot, and then the invention of a lot of things that also helped women out of some other natural constraints, such as various things to help with menstruation, as well as the birth control pill. The moment those technology became available, society started to change, because women's need changed with them, and society adapts a lot to what women need and want. And it always has, it's nothing new.

LmBefore women's vote, it was a movement mostly led by women which got the US to change its constitution to ban alcohol. Not a small feat. It,s also a movement by women, before the vote, the white feather campaign, which got the male population to go sacrifice themselves in the great butchery that was ww1. And women have had that level of influence over their society throughout history. You can find petitions sent by women to Kings, hardly the actions of people who believe they have no sway over their society, let alone no place to speak.

So get out of your delusion, learn some actual history, and maybe take a second to reflect on gender dynamics, why they existed, the positive and negative of both sides, and how that differs radically from oppression.

[–]lumpynose 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely great point. For me it reinforces my belief that the fundamental bedrock problem with feminists is that they don't think analytically, they think emotionally.

It's not about power, it's about stupidity.

[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, it's about power. It's just that emotional reasoning is a powerful tool to get it.

[–]dw87190 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The disagreements here aren't even about feminism per se, it sounds like it's more like feminist who buys into the lies variant versus feminist who tells the lies. Feminism dates back at least 110 years (Order of the White Feather era), yes, longer than the terms feminist and feminism have existed. So there's bound to inconsistencies in the ranks regarding how shallow to be, which parts of hypergamy they still want, which husband benefits they expect to get out of the men they use and so forth. Unfortunately, they're not destroying themselves from infighting yet, though I would to see feminists' internally warring the way we know they would if they actually succeeded in killing all men

[–]Bland-fantasie 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine if even 5% of men were left during an extermination campaign and the men realized it and formed up to resist. I’m not saying 5 men could beat 100 women in every situation, or even in 10% of situations.

But if men organized in the face of genocide, it would end in every hysterical Handmaid’s fantasy coming true for a thousand years. What would make this outcome more likely is that intersectional feminism would probably spare men longest from cultures that are most barbaric to women.

They should really think this through. But then if they could do that they wouldn’t be feminists.

[–]RockmanXX 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By making Men rare, you increase the value of Men tenfold. Even something as basic as moving the sofa would become a big deal in a world where Men are less than 10% of the population.

[–]noserotonyn 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has always been and always will be a bunch of lesbians dictating how ordinary women should be, and ordinary women following along because they were promised Wonderland.

[–]PlzSendDunes 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

If men make more. Women are sad, because women should be making the same.

If men make the same, then women are sad because they want a man who makes more than them and they can't find such man.

Everything in life is a trade-off. You pick and choose what you want and what you will suffer. Nothing is perfect and everything has a price.

[–]AskingToFeminists 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In feminist utopia, you can both have your cake and eat it, and you never gain weight from it.

[–]BCRE8TVE 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And if they do gain weight it's men's fault anyways.

[–]fl_lckit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't care, feminism too far. I'm out and I'm taking my $150k/yr job with retirement and pension with me. This bicycle refuses to let fish take it for a ride. Have a nice life ladies.✌

[–]yashspartan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder how the women in feminists subreddits would react to this.

[–]BCRE8TVE 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They'd probably get pissed off, cal the article misogynistic, the author an incel, and decry everything as false.

Plus they'd likely ban whoever posted this article.

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