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Should we even out the amount of females and males in workplaces?

OkeyyDokeyyYo

January 17, 2023
33 upvotes
/r/AntiFeminists

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Title Should we even out the amount of females and males in workplaces?
Author

OkeyyDokeyyYo

Upvotes 33
Comments 38
Date January 17, 2023 8:18 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/10ema9a/should_we_even_out_the_amount_of_females_and/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/should-we-even-out-the-amount-of-females-and-males.1222810
https://theredarchive.com/post/1222810
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Comments

[–]Echo_XB3 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yesn't. Of course it's bad to be sexist but if someone is better suited for the job then they are better suited for the job. NO MATTER THE GENDER

[–]nugget_the_third3 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. Feminists like to immediately assume sexism without taking ANYTHING else into consideration. Sometimes males are better at the job than females.

[–]onlyidiotsgoonreddit 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, it's not just a matter of being better at a job. Most jobs require you to attend the job. And males simple attend jobs at a much higher rate than females. They enter the workforce sooner, work more hours, then leave the workforce later. All other things being equal (and they are not equal), that makes men more capable of holding most job titles.

The way to achieve equality would be to abolish all forms of gender based aid, to force women to work more hours to support themselves, the way men have to support themselves. I doubt if they would support those reforms.

[–]death_ray_mx 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I care about competence

[–]ScottdaDM 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Start with high tension wire workers and bricklayers.

[–]General-Teacher5865 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When are people gonna understand that not everyone wants the same job and that employed feminists are usually comparing themselves to a man with an air conditioned job not a manual labor job. Equal opportunity but never equal outcome.

[–]machismo_eels 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

<chooses engineering major>

[–]CrocodileSnapper 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you applying, since I'm in engineering major, and have met same amount of female and male lecturers.🤔

[–][deleted] 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Langland88 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just men but white men especially.

[–]Nerd-W0lf 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but my view is slightly different. Meritocracy is important, but some jobs would do good to be more diverse (especially jobs that work with people/the public, like doctors or teachers), and meritocracy should be first, then diversity and everything else after that should be second. Basically, meritocracy above all else. Take a teacher for example.

Let's say that a school has mostly male teachers, and they want diversity. They look at two job aplicants, a man and a woman. The man has met all required teaching qualifications, has a clean criminal record, and has a good teacher personality. The woman has met all qualifications, but has multiple dui and drug charges, and is a total jerkwad of a person. You would choose the man, even though it does not increase diversity, because that is meritocracy.

However, if the school situation is the same as above (so mostly male teachers,), and the applicants, one man, and one woman apply. Both of them have met all qualifications, have clean criminal records, and have the perfect personalities for teaching, so they are pretty much the same, except for gender, then pick the woman, in order for diversity reasons.

Basically, diversity should only matter after looking at meritocracy. Of course, this is only for jobs who work in the piblic sector and with people, and jobs that are in the private sector, or manual labor, like pilots, construction workers, and electricians are different.

This idea seems to strike a balance, because it states meritocracy above all, but allows for some diversity in job that work right and close with people, like doctors, social workers, and teachers, as going purely on meritocracy could be not the best idea. You get what I'm saying?

[–]le_maitre34 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is sexism too. Why we don't do a final test? Also they can be same in aspect of qualification but their world view (pesimist/optimist) or their goals may be different. Of course specification what the firm needs can be hard but it's good instead discrimination.

[–]Nerd-W0lf 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You do have a point. I was just trying to explain my idea that diversity should not be totally removed, but instead placed at a lower amount of importance compared to meritocracy. So the hierarchy of importance in hiring is meritocracy, then world views/goals, and finally, diversity. Basically, first make sure they are qualified, then make sure they are not a jerk/pessimist and make sure that they have a decent attitude, then worry about diversity. Basically, don't hire underqualified people just for the sole purpose to fill a quota.

The example was just trying to demonstrate it, but it appears to have fallen flat. The other things like world view and goals are also important, but I was trying to make a simple example of my idea.

I was trying to say that just because meritocracy is used does not mean that anything else other than meritocracy should not be used, as they do not have to always be mutually exclusive, but I can see why my example was kinda bad, the fact being that I typed it a 6 a.m. not helping. Also, employers should look for applicants that are both adequately qualified and diverse if possible. You made some good points! Also, IDK if this is digger myself a deeper hole or not, lol.

[–]TisIChenoir 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He probably didn't have a female garbage collector either...

[–]onlyidiotsgoonreddit 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're OK with that kind of inequality.

[–]denisc9918 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes we should even out the females and males.

I know 2 roof tilers in a gang of 4 that would love to work in an air con office!

<sigh> The guy in the pic is a fkn dope...

[–]tonando 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Every quota is a discrimination against those, who don't fit that quota.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they can do the job, sure. I advocate for meritocracy 100%.

[–][deleted] 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]denisc9918 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminism is nothing more than an accidental byproduct of air conditioning

That's brilliant! lol

Now, I fully support equality in principal

I think what you mean is Equality of Opportunity.

Usually feminism argues for supremacy but the odd times when it does argue for equality it means Equality of Outcome which is fundamentally quotas.

[–]Mountainking7 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes 50% plumbers, brick layers, window cleaners, electric workers, scavengers, REAL soldiers (meeting the entry requirements) and other gruesome, dirty, physical job and except EQUAL output or lower the output to fit everybody else.

I 100% approve of this.

[–]Forward-Transition-5 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We could make every single human being the ceo of a multi-million dollar company and people would still complain about not being the ceo over a different company. The arguments will never stop so we might as well go by merit to ensure the most qualified person gets the job.

[–]MagentaSteam 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The boy is broken lol. The only time I will choose a professor over the other is when I hear one of them buys pizza for the last day of class! I just want a good teacher and some pizza.

[–]FreakyManBaby 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i didn't even realize men could be teachers until high school

[–]Frird2008 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Whoever is most fit to perform the job at hand gets the job at hand, regardless of gender.

[–]Villa4Life 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I pay 9k a year for a degree. I want competent lecturers to be teaching me. I don’t care about the lecturers gender

[–]TensionMost3141 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If so, then bricklayers, construction workers, welders, sanitation workers, farmers, and so on, all need to be equalled out.

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe do a course the women like to do, like "Gender Studies" and not something like Engineering or Computer Science?

[–]ActOutside4853 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who really wants a job? Let women have them, all of them. Guys should work towards self sufficiency instead.

Having a job is like being a dairy cow: what started as a way to feed offspring is now a process where you are hooked to a machine that takes way more from you.

And most of it is powered by vanities and ego.

Its all about control and extraction, and even the Bible points out if you work for someone you are a slave.

So the thread is really asking should we have as many female slaves as male slaves?

You guys can do what you want, but I dont want to be a slave.

and I think for me a more important question is how to not be a slave?

What I observe is the two greatest enslavement systems in human history are vagina and money.

And that I can work towards having less dependency on both, because all dependencies suck.

And if I need less vagina, I need less money, and I can use the left over resources to work towards needing even less money, and if I do that long enough, pretty soon I dont need much, and my freedom ratio gets way better.

And men pay the most taxes, while women get the most benefits... So I think working away from systemic dependencies and letting women work the jobs will lead to women paying for things for women.

I dont want to pay for things for women.

I want things for me. And the less I need the less job required.

And we've gotten to the point that things are so expensive you are better off doing them yourself.

I grew patches of grains in the 80's using a shovel, and quickly discovered the work to product ratio was incredible. And had this realization that there was so much time left over, that I could do everything else too, and that the job system was a big scam.

But I was married... and she wanted money and plenty of it.

In fact there was no limit to how much money she could want.

Eventually that blew up, and I went to Costa Rica and bought land and planted a permaculture project, and lived for years doing tropical subsistence... almost no money for decades, and had alot of free time to make things...

And realized that you can do subsistence almost anywhere.

So... no, I dont think there should be as many women as men in jobs...

I think ALL the jobs should be women.

They are perfect for it; greedy, vanity, over socialized....

I get enough social life from my dogs.

They are happy getting dog food... try that with a woman.... 🤣

[–]DutchOnionKnight 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, we need the best person for the function no matter what gender.

[–]dependency_injector 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It can't be done without violence, so no

[–]homerteedo 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Men and women are generally interested in different things.

However, everyone should be able to try to get the job they want, even if it’s usually done by the opposite sex, without being pushed out due to gender.

[–]lonewolf86254 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s impossible

[–]Black-Patrick 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]LeLurkingNormie 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, because discrimination is bad.

[–]Snippychicken22 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Choose on qualifications not on presence of penis

[–]le_maitre34 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gender doesn't matter.

[–]Next_Log_2731 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So what is he shilling for exactly?

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