Highseddit asks you: What do you wish you'd known in terms of seduction/social dynamics in high school/before college? What can we get away with in high school and what can we do to prepare before college? Unorthodox advice is encouraged, as we know/have read the books (MM, ConqYC)

TofuTofu · 2011-05-16T01:46:23+00:00

Nothing you do in high school matters. 10 years from now you'll likely be friends with very few people from your school, and you will only see each other at reunions. You make your life-long friends in college.

Don't be afraid to get a reputation as a player. You will be able to recreate your identity any way you want in college, and guess what... the players are the ones getting laid in high school. You'll want to be sexually experienced once you get to college.

Also keep in mind this will be the only time of your life where you can legally sleep with girls under the age of 18. Take advantage of it :P

All you need to know about how to game in high school:

Cocky/Funny, kino, #-close, day-2, isolate, f-close

And ffs, use condoms. You don't want to ruin your life by getting a girl pregnant.

Captivation · 2011-05-16T02:39:45+00:00

Honestly, I just wish I was aware of the PUA community in highschool. Since you're here, you're already ten steps ahead of me when I was a teenager.

I wish I could go back in time and slap my 16 year old self, though. Then I would tell him this: No, being nice to girls isn't going to make them like you. Go out to more school functions. Get involved. Make a ton of friends from the "In" crowd instead of hanging out with the social outcasts.

I didn't get involved in seduction until a month before I graduated from college. I completely missed out and I've been kicking myself ever since.

quantum_guy · 2011-05-16T02:56:08+00:00

I wished to hell I would have faked confidence in high school. Fake it till you make it rang so true for me in my later 20's, when suddenly I realized women responded to that more than anything.

frogma · 2011-05-16T03:56:17+00:00

The important points have already been hit, but here's some more:

Status obviously means a lot in high school- depending on your school (and your class), you might have a lot of cliques. Usually it's better to be a part of every single one of em (talk to everyone) instead of just staying with your social circle all the time- especially if your social circle consists of a bunch of nerds.

People always talk shit (especially on reddit) about cheerleaders, which is retarded. While it's true that some cheerleaders are sluts and some have crazy senses of entitlement, for the most part they're just like everyone else. And they're usually hotter. Instead of being intimidated by em, fuckin talk to em. Once you go out with one cheerleader (and end up going to their meets and events and shit), you've basically got an "in" with the rest of em, and you can run the gamut from one to the next. Same goes for every "group"- the poms girls, softball girls, volleyball girls, etc. You'll also be amazed by how down-to-earth and cool most of em are. Not all, but most, are usually pretty cool.

As a corollary to that, go to parties. I started taking advantage of that too late in high school. Parties are the easiest places to hook up- especially with girls you usually don't talk to. Also go to basketball/football games, or whatever your school's good at. It's a great way to meet up with people and everyone usually bounces to parties afterward. It also feels awesome to roll in with your girlfriend, parade her around a bit, chat up some people, find a group to sit with, and then go crazy for the game. I've never been to a "boring" high school basketball game. Other things- host some poker tourneys, parties, game-watching nights, or whatever your parents let you get away with. All it takes is one decent party and your popularity gets a huge boost.

Play sports. That one's obvious. If you're not into the "main" ones, find one you do like at least.

Become a class officer. Not too hard.

Don't be afraid to do stupid shit. If you want DHV stories, high school's a great time to make some. A lot of my better stories are from stupid antics in high school. Get drunk, get stoned, and stop being a chode. If you're not cool with that, wait till you get to college- you'll be kicking yourself for how naive you were back in high school.

And like Tofu said, in my experience, being a player gives you a reputation as a player- "society" might look down on that, and people might say bad things about it, but girls are attracted to em regardless. Kind of hard to get pussy if you're not getting pussy- and if you are getting pussy, people will call you a player. No big deal.

2011-05-16T03:41:42+00:00

If I could tell myself something, it would be this. "Flirt. Flirt shamelessly. Own the fuck up to it."

the_rival_cycle · 2011-05-16T03:52:30+00:00

A couple things:

I went to a small high school (100 kids per grade), most of which I had also gone to middle school with. By the time junior/senior year rolled around, I was feeling basically like I had no options since a) these girls knew me since I was 11 b) I was already friend zoned c) they were out of my league or d) they weren't good enough. In case you didn't notice (I didn't at the time), I was putting a whole bunch of limitations on myself that were unnecessary to dissuade me from action. Throw these out the window.
Another mistake I made in a small school environment was not trying to meet girls outside of school. I should have day-gamed like crazy on the weekends.
I agree what you do will not matter nearly as much as you think it does. I was always afraid of the high school collective opinion of me, but none of it matters, and being able to deal with it, shrug it off, and not care is alpha.

EDIT:

Hang out with people who are looking for the same sort of social interaction you are. I loved my high school group to death, but we kept to ourselves too much. Grab the people that want to go out into social situations and meet new people, then go do it. Tell the others how much fun it was, and keep inviting them to join.

2011-05-16T08:57:46+00:00

Okay, I have one piece of advice for you:

Don't. Let. Anything. Stop. You.

I emigrated out of my home country to Europe when I was thirteen, nearly fourteen. I had a huge language barrier. It caused my self-confidence to sink to lows you do not think exist. I got out of it, however, and I see how much it hurt me. Don't let anything stop you from going out there and making those mistakes.

That's actually more of a general life advice than a seduction/PUA advice, but I find that the border between the two is slowly fading. PUA is becoming a lifestyle...

So, yeah, go out there, make your mistakes, but DO NOT STAY HOME IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER. Life is out there. Go get it.

HumanSockPuppet · 2011-05-16T16:56:13+00:00

Whether you're smart or dumb, you have the ability to tell when a man is flirting with a woman. However, when you're smart, you're much more self-conscious about how people (especially yourself) look because many aspects of human interaction are so transparent. Kino, laughter, teasing, sexualized language; it's all so painfully obvious. It's almost as if being intelligent makes you ashamed to "lower yourself" to the same level in order to flirt, because deep down you want to think that you're something more than that. Even non-religious people are subject to this sensation of shame.

But this is both foolish and naively idealistic. People are not a special chosen species that exist above animals, and they don't magically change their baser drives or instincts just because you yourself aspire to be something more.

If you want to be successful in seduction, you have to shed your ego - not just of the fear of rejection, but also of the fear of appearing to others to be what you are - an animal.

MilfConnoisseur · 2011-05-16T03:53:57+00:00

When you get to college, join a (respectable) fraternity. Instant social group, social proof, lifetime friends.

otakuman · 2011-05-16T05:01:10+00:00

Not exactly social dynamics related, but I had always believed that a skinny guy like me could NEVER develop a nice musculature. I had thought only guys who were already muscular could develop. "I'm skinny, it's in my genes", I thought.

Had I known what I know now at 35, I would have started weight training and eating better since 12. It would have totally changed my life.

avrus · 2011-05-16T03:06:07+00:00

At this point I wish I had gotten over approach anxiety when I was younger and continued to do the things that made me successful.

Now that I'm a bit older I'm not sure this is something I have overcome.

Dresden718 · 2011-05-16T04:13:25+00:00

My advice: Always ask for the sun, stars and the moon with a face straight enough ( and enough congruence ) that people should be embarrassed to even question you.

Wumb0l0gy · 2011-05-16T01:44:24+00:00

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yokhai · 2011-05-16T17:26:09+00:00

Yeah, if a chick smokes weed, she probably fucks.....

The only real stratification is with Jocks. and most jocks are pretty cool. The ones that are huge doucher's likely stems from some sort of insecurities, and can easily be disarmed.

Extruding confidence will be the single greatest thing you will ever need to do in HS to reign there. My cousin taught me that. He wasn't the best looking (though he could hold his own) the best athletic or the smartest, but he had a charm and a confidence that let him pass between any social circle he wanted. He pulled chicks from across the board simple because he walked tall and didn't let anyone put him down.

lithe · 2011-05-16T17:35:58+00:00

so hopefully I'll turn around 360 degrees and start going to parties.

That'd leave you moving in the same direction. I believe an 180 degree turn is what you're looking for.

2011-05-16T17:45:19+00:00

not really higschool related but it is something I wish I had figured out before.

*be intentional *

do what you intent to do without wavering. intend to hug a girl? FUCKING DO IT - you waver and you'll find yourself hover-handing

the outside world will see this as confidence and eventually you will gain that mentality

rblacksun · 2011-05-16T01:42:29+00:00

I have no idea what MM or conqYC mean and I am not sure what books you are talking about.

I wish I had my own place in highschool...that would have helped a lot.

2011-05-16T15:29:55+00:00

Learn that high schools and colleges are feeding grounds for someone who likes women. They're all forced to be there just like you (more or less), once you're out, people come out of their own volition, and much less because they have to be there. The world after school, is very open, and social circles matter less and less and less as you move on. If you can dominate when the circles are closed, you'll be just fine when they open up.

That's been my major weakness, is initiating - because you often have no idea who these people are out in the wild. In school, you may have heard of them, or know who they are, or whatever about them. You have a grounds there to meet someone, other than "hi. I'm XXXXXXX"

tehichigo · 2011-05-16T04:27:24+00:00

Teenage girls are easy as hell to sleep with. You only need mediocre game with these girls, so just get a bare minimum and then start talking to them. You could fuck these girls in the bathroom during school hours if you wanted to.

My advice on game is just be really aggressive. Kino escalate to kissing ASAP, like within 5-10 minutes. You can test their openess to sex by just talking about sex. If they talk about sex with you, then you're good to go, escalate and close. I've partied with 18-19 year old girls and girls this age have always been my quickest k-close and f-close. Don't bother with all that stupid mystery method bullshit, just go straight up natural. Sexual projection combined with sexual aggression and kino. Keep it simple, like I said you only need a bare minimum, nothing fancy.

If your'e just starting out, go for girls a few years younger than you, if you're 17, go for girls that are 14-15, (as long as it's legal in your state that is). Don't fuck around with dates and all that bullshit, skip all that bullshit and go straight for the sex. Location doesn't matter much, you can probably fuck these girls under a bridge if you had to. Just invite her to "hang out" with you somewhere or see if she wants to go with you somewhere after school.

tl;dr high school girls are easy, fuck as many of them as you can before it's illegal.

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