Alcohol and Opening: Is it a Game killer?

hot4belgians · 2012-04-29T00:09:18+00:00

If you drink, and she's morally opposed to drinking, why would you want her anyway?

coldkodiak · 2012-04-29T00:09:30+00:00

I think of Alcohol as a psychological tool.

Without a drink in your hand in a social situation it feels like you're missing something. You don't need it, but, there's a certain level of feeling relaxed with a drink in your hand; as such:

it is a crutch if you let it be.

I dunno how many times I've let myself get drunk before I approached anyone... in fact got drunk before we even went out to the bar (pregaming) just out of social anxiety to the whole situation.

Keeping this is mind, you can allow yourself to do this for awhile so you can get used to going to bars and talking to people if this is what helps.

In the long run, it'll be a huge determent to your progress as a social person. You'll lean more and more on the booze to get going, instead of building on characteristics that get you going with or without it. If you for example are always boozing before even attempting to talk to girls (or guys or whatever), you'll be stuck in a bar game situation, the relies on alcohol. Day game is half the thing... also improving yourself as whole is the ultimate quest here imo, so this is ultimately a flawed strategy.

You'll eventually come to a point where you decide you need to do it sober... and then you'll break on through the other side, and learn; there's a whole game to being sober as well.

Oh shit!

Yeah, so the earlier you get off the booze the better, otherwise you're going to be relying on it to build your game, and that's not very healthy imo.

Booze is best used in amounts that allow you to explore, but no more. It's a pretty strong turnoff to probably reek of booze and be drunk more or less I've found too.

And no you're not overthinking, don't let dumbasses like BudapestPUA vampire you from understanding things better.

pararin · 2012-04-29T00:00:33+00:00

If you're sarging at clubs and restaurants, I think it's ok to have a drink or two if you have good tolerance. This can also be turned into your own advantage: Drink something interesting. I'm into import beers, whiskys and cocktails and I know something about them. Knowledge about drinks can easily be demonstrated as a cool DHV.

expletive-deleted · 2012-04-29T01:26:41+00:00

When I'm on the hunt, I maintain my drinking like crazy. I also eat a hearty meal right before I go out. By the end of the night, I'm still pretty much sober, in comparison. And this right here is a game changer: when it's 1am and every other guy is acting like a rowdy jackass, I can hold a real conversation with the DD or the girl who just sips on her drink. It gives you a total edge.

I never abstain from alcohol entirely if alcohol is a staple of the scene. People will ask you "why aren't you drinking?" This draws the wrong kind of attention. You don't want to seem like the person on the outside looking in: you've got to be part of the group or event.

But does this mean you need to be keeping pace with everyone else? No. However, people do become uncomfortable being intoxicated around someone who is sober, so you can't nurse that shit.

So here's a trick: I always recommend, when first arriving to a scene, to engage everyone for a few minutes a piece. Establish a connection and move on. During this time, if you get a new drink, move from a light colored beer to a dark, or switch from a draft to a bottle. Every drink, something different.

If someone points it out, just say you like beer and you're just trying to switch it up. But this makes it obvious that you have been getting drinks, despite your demeanor.

When everyone is obviously drunk, now it really doesn't matter because they are no longer keeping track. Additionally, at this point you should have returned to the group you want to hang out with, and they're going to see when you are going for a new beer anyhow: doesn't matter if it is different then.

If you've paced yourself properly, towards the end of the night, you can engage in a shot or two and it won't push you over the edge. And at the end of the night, you'll still have the control to confidently and eloquently get that number / suggest grabbing something to eat after the bar closes as a group / move the party to your place.

Now, if I go to a cookout or something where there might or might not be drinking, I'll bring a six-pack of really good beer and pace myself accordingly. If no one else is really drinking, I might only have one or two the entire night. If people start hitting the sauce, you can always be the guy who goes on the beer run and let yourself go a little looser when you get back.

Always be one of the most sober at any event. If you make a mistake and find yourself getting drunker, say your goodbyes or just do an irish goodbye. People will remember your drunk mistakes long before they remember your sober charisma.

Broadband- · 2012-04-29T02:26:27+00:00

Using anything as a crutch is going to put you down the less ideal path.

Back before I was 21 I would routinely go to underage clubs to flirt, dance, etc and alcohol was never involved. I had success and got over my approach anxiety.

Since then I drink often too much. Subconsciously I feel I need a buzz before I can be in the right mindset to flirt and often when I do I'm not at the top of my game. Making things worse, cigarettes or alcohol is a great excuse for approach anxiety letting you put off making your approaches to get another beer or a quick smoke.

I've started to realize that it's a little sad and ultimately i'm wasting my money, drinking unnecessary calories, and not as clear in mind as I should be to properly deal with tests, objections, etc.

I'm starting next week to go straight edge to the bars. Likely I've programmed myself to have to have a drink in my hand and hope to replace that with a soda. People won't ask me why I'm not drinking, but even if they did does it really matter?

There is absolutely no excuse for me to need to pre-party, or booze up at the clubs as much as I do. What makes it worse is since I'm so use to interacting with women with a buzz going on a first date sober can feel quite uncomfortable.

mpm4 · 2012-04-28T23:44:54+00:00

I agree, I have only recently started to notice my reliance on alcohol to not feel somewhat nervous when talking to a girl I just met. I always knew this, but it took me a few years to figure it out. I try to watch myself more closely when I drink, but when you're in college this is harder to do when you go out with kids whose only goal is to get as drunk as possible.

If you need alcohol just to loosen up and feel 'normal', this can be bad as then your drunk self might assume that the more you drink, the better you'll be with women, which is in most cases wrong.

Notmyrulname_ · 2012-04-29T02:46:56+00:00

I drink during night game because it takes place in bars, bars serve whisky, and whisky is delicious. Whether/what/how much I drink is unaffected whether girls are in the vicinity or not.

Granted, when I drink too much my interactions are compromised, but it can be hilarious.

Im best from 0-3 drinks when it comes to girls and best from 3-over 9000 drinks when it comes to starting dumpster fires and urinating on parked cop cars.

reino341 · 2012-04-29T06:20:48+00:00

Not sure I found a real stern answer here about being the DD.

Have a drink at the start or no?

dantaeos · 2012-04-29T08:03:42+00:00

Most of the PUAs have gone through the same deal whereby they start out drinking heavily and maintain a high level of success. But eventually it becomes a crutch and it ruins their long term sustainability in the game.

So they cut it off and just go out sober, which eventually they become comfortable with and their game is more coherent. From the top of my head, Jeffy, Julien and Brad Branson went through this.

HolePunch66 · 2012-04-29T15:35:55+00:00

Sounds like someone needs to call their sponsor and go to a meeting.

BudapestPUA · 2012-04-28T23:47:41+00:00

Cool overthinking, bro.

Title	Alcohol and Opening: Is it a Game killer?
Author	Notmyrulname_
Upvotes	11
Comments	37
Date	April 28, 2012 10:33 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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