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[Mod] On Deltas, Points, and the new bot

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April 10, 2014
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As you've probably noticed we launched a new bot trpbot which will be doing some new things around town, thought I'd let you all know about it.

We wanted to be able to boost high quality content and give a certain visual marker of reputation to members that provide high quality contributions.

When a post is high quality or high value, a point can be awarded (with at least a short paragraph about why it was high quality) by including a mars symbol ♂ (type ♂ or type ALT + 11) anywhere in your reply. The bot will detect this and award a point to the author of the comment you're replying to.

Points can only be awarded by Endorsed contributors at the moment, but as users gain points, if any user gets 5+ points, he can also award deltas.

Details:

If there are any questions, let me know. We're still somewhat testing.

New symbol: ♂ !


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Title [Mod] On Deltas, Points, and the new bot
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 29
Comments 81
Date 10 April 2014 04:38 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/13872
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/22pdte/mod_on_deltas_points_and_the_new_bot/
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[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Could we please make it so that you can only be awarded 1 Delta per post?

Having someone make a single post and get multiple deltas would defeat the purpose of having a cap before you can give them yourself.

One moment of brilliance does not a pattern make.

[–]2Nepene8 points9 points  (21 children) | Copy

CMV mod here.

Wouldn't it be more intuitive to have an alpha symbol, or something like that, since delta means change and you are using this to mean a valuable post?

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Since we have a lot of threads involving issues important to your sub I'm worried there could be some confusion- people will reward someone for a high quality contribution in CMV when actually the delta is supposed to be rewarded for changing of views there.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy

Yeah, We debated using the alpha but thought it would be too self-parodying. The delta seemed like it was already a convention that people wouldn't be too confused about.

I think we might switch over to ♂..

[–]2Nepene4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy

Yeah, people will know about the delta. I just imagine there would be some confusion about how to use it, after this.

♂ would also be fine for us.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

Let's see if I've modified the bot properly to use ♂ I've changed all the words properly!

[–]Upvote Me!trpbot[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Confirmed: 1 point awarded to /u/Nepene by redpillschool. [History]

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[–]2Nepene0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, it seems to work fine. Good coding.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cool

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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Should totally use a ♀ to take points away as well if you include that function.

Net result if someone gives a point and takes a point away is 0. You could even edit flairs so people who get negative points show is as like a blue -1.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Should totally use a ♀ to take points away as well if you include that function. Net result if someone gives a point and takes a point away is 0. You could even edit flairs so people who get negative points show is as like a blue -1.

Hahaha, you know i might consider that.

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You cannot award OP a point because you are not an Endorsed Contributor or your point score is below 5.

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Nepene by redpillschool. [History]

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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil35 points36 points  (13 children) | Copy

I want to give out betas to counteract some shitty deltas.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Seeing as the delta symbol represents change, it doesn't really make sense in this subreddit, whereas it does in /r/changemyview.

I'm not a member of this community, but as a mod of CMV who was made aware of TRP's recent adoption of our DeltaBot code (which is welcome, as it is open source), I wonder why those involved chose to associate themselves with the delta. As others have suggested, the alpha symbol would be more appropriate.

Edit: After some thought, it became clear that the alpha wasn't really a good choice. The majuscule alpha is basically a capital A, and the miniscule doesn't stand out to much. A couple of CMV mods thought that maybe you'd use the Mars symbol (♂), so I messaged your mods about it, and it seems that they liked the idea. I'm glad this worked out for both of us. Hopefully you won't hear from us again.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Triangles are pointy and masculine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

According to "The Da Vinci Code" triangles represent penises. I'm game for this.

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I think the honest answer is we have a massive influx of noobies thanks to TRP's growing popularity for a variety of reasons, and while this is not bad necessarily, it leads to a ton of "CMV" type questions. "I think you shouldn't care about a girl's sex count, CMV" shows up frequently in many forms. Occasionally we have really good responses to that question that do change someone's mind and because grappling with a newbies layers upon layers of misconceptions / resistance to our ideas is HARD. It requires thought because these are often intelligent guys who will argue until morning about semantics, scientific studies, etc. And on the flip side, the TRP guy who might be arguing back, he can also get his mind changed, and this is also often a herculean effort.

Have you seen the threads arguing about why looks and money do or dont matter for success with women? It's a warzone and karma fundamentally can never be a good indicator of objective knowledge. As a mod of CMV you surely understand the phenomena - widely held views are often the most ridiculous, low quality submissions get 9000 upvotes while the 1 post that changed someone's life gets one upvote, from that person himself.

But a delta is real, it's not some gamified metric like karma that is just a measure of your mass appeal, and it's not vague / immature like giving alpha and beta signs. An alpha sign is especially stupid because let's not be deluded, some likely high percentage of people on here are farrrr from alpha, yet have learned to mimic the language and internet behaviors that will make them seem "RP" or "alpha". Being alpha isn't about changing people's views or not, it's not really related.

Now give me some deltas, I need some validation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think just about everyone is welcome here if they're willing to learn.

That said it looks like the bot was reworked to use the male symbol alt code as opposed to the delta symbol.

Also the only alpha symbol is the small alpha (α) just looks the same as the letter 'a' almost.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

β (beta symbol) = β for reference.

[–]RedSunBlue6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am RedSunBlue and I approve this initiative.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll make shitty delta bot just for you two. Public shame will be your weapon.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is actually possible to implement.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

If GayLubeOil is anything he is pragmatic.

[–]Aaron5650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So upvote/downvote?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wouldn't being an endorsed contributor just serve the same purpose? If people get enough Delta points do they become an EC?

[–]PlantNutrient1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This gives regular users a good way to become "endorsed" by the community

[–]pillburt2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Hey rps, did you fix the bug yet with top level comments?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yes, it's fixed, nothing happens if you delta in a top level comment.

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Love the way TRP inherently enjoys hierarchy. Self improving and self policing. People argue, but it's mostly towards finding the truth without ego. Only other sub I've seen with anywhere near this type of "community spirit" is r/swoleacceptance, which, is also one of the funniest.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Eh, it's just the enforcement of a circle-jerk. This is the inevitable point in an organization's growth when the emphasis toward expansion of the group is (clearly) being set aside (the inability of most people to reply to comments, the rankist system, etc.) and toward the expansion of power of those in control of the group.

Banal, to be completely honest, if mostly unhelpful. those inside of the group will enjoy the opportunity express dominance within the group, but very few recruits will bother joining in once the hierarchy has calcified, as hierarchies always do.

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I guess you're right to some extent.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I disagree, with this system we have a more nuanced approach to approved content.

[–]tenpointsix1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why five and not ten?

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why ten and not 10.6?

Humor aside, I agree.

If the end goal is for the points to represent on point responses, it's important that the points being awarded are of high value.

If every Tom, Dick, and Harry can award points, it defeats the purpose.

I will personally give out deltas sparingly.

A scenario that I don't want to happen is a person making two posts and 5 ECs giving him deltas, bumping him into the category of people that can award deltas. I think it's too low a benchmark. 5 would be much easier to get than 10. 20 sounds too high, but 10 is not too bad.

[–]forcehatin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Soooo meowmeow beans?

[–]still_very_alive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Been thinking of creating a BestofTheRedPill sub for a while now, actually, since the default bans all submissions from here, and I've seen people asking for repositories of good content. Though in hindsight this is actually a better implementation - only users recognised by the community can use it, so it's not subject to brigading like a sub would be. Thanks.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorVarrian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I suggest this sub gets a symbol, like the delta, that we can use to get posts removed for poor content.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably a stupid question but what does that mean for a member to have 5+ points?

[–]updock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't this kind of ad hominem? I feel like this discourages dissonance and discourse.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How do you tell if you're endorsed, I noticed that I can now award more points?

[–]BoTuLoX0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

For the record, the unicode number for the mars symbol is 2642: ♂.

For those using Linux, you have to press Ctrl+Shift+U, type the number and press space/enter.

[–]Upvote Me!trpbot[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You cannot award OP a point because you are not an Endorsed Contributor or your point score is below 5.

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[–]2RedPill4LYF0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes.

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[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No there is not. Reddit servers don't save that data.

[–]kempff-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Good retroactive idea.

Let me try to give this a delta because i am unable to give one and lets see if it fails correctly:

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

This is expected behavior. He won't be replying, I didn't want it to clutter things up.

Edit: On second thought, I'll make him send a PM so you know what you did wrong.

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/kempff by redpillschool. [History]

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[–]bama79rolltide0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you going to be seeding through older posts?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Only new comments from this moment forward. But you can still award deltas to old comments.

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You cannot award OP a delta because you are not an Endorsed Contributor or your Delta score is below 5.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a test... Seeing if it notices if you quote a delta. Also trying to give the TRP bot a delta for kicks.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Consider this another test... looks like quoted delta's get ignored so that's good.

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I hope the bot doesn't clutter threads with invasive notices for every irregularly applied Δ.

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Why no deltas for root level posts? I mean if someone wants to become recognised in the community, upvotes do nothing for them.

I really like the idea of deltas, I don't read /r/changemyview often but the system seems to work well for them.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Working on it.

Does anyone here have python experience?

https://github.com/alexames/DeltaBot/blob/master/deltabot/deltabot.py

is_parent_commenter_author is what we are looking at. We have to make sure not to fuck up the code.

We have to remove the elif statement on line 342

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You've already got the answer. That clause only does one thing, just remove that. The other option looks like turning off strict, which also seems reasonable.



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