I feel like the whole Mark Manson approach might only work because he's a tall, good looking, charismatic guy. Any average dudes around here try it?

Woujo · 2017-06-03T07:20:08+00:00

There is no difference between what ugly guys and short guys should do. The game is the same. The only difference is that hot guys will get more yeses.

Stop making excuses and go approach.

WxOnWxOff · 2017-06-03T08:55:25+00:00

Your mentality suggests that you're trying to pass the blame off on something external. The moment you decide to take control of your own life and stop seeing your appearance as the sole reason you're not able to get women is the day you will have taken one giant leap forward!

Women don't need someone who is outrageously good looking. They need a man who has confidence in himself, who he is, and what he does. Someone who can take full responsibility of everything in his life, and has a positive outlook on negativity. Life is all about reframing situations so that you are able to learn and grow from the experiences you push yourself towards.

Why do you feel like you're going to "catch that creep thing"? Do you have a healthy social life? Exercise often? Have interesting hobbies and relatable stories? Are you able to show charisma, and hold meaningful conversation with women - both beautiful and not just a select you're comfortable with? Dress well? Something tells me there are more insecurities afoot than just your appearance that you're also concerned with. And it's up to you to figure out what they are so that you can grow as a person and also demonstrate your true, genuine self, and vulnerabilities to women. Because that's what they're looking for.

sefmz · 2017-06-03T12:26:06+00:00

People feel your mood. When you feel like shit they will treat you like a shit. It's normal because avarage guy got tons of shity days. Wen you really really are on natural hyped mood people will love you everywhere you go. Don't force yourself to approach if you don't have that high mood than it will look creepy. My high mood days is when everything just happens, I don't think, I just do... I feel music, vibe, chill.. then i move out, to bars, clubs and approach every woman i like.. guess what there's no hurt in rejections, rejections feel warm and friendly. If i got rejected i just smile and say good luck to you..

philogynistic · 2017-06-03T15:51:15+00:00

Bro you're operating off several limiting beliefs just from this post alone.

Tall, good looking, charismatic guy

You can't change your height, but your looks are within your control. Fashion, fitness, and grooming will take you very far. Charisma is a social skill like any other. Learning to speak confidently and relate to other people is a skill that can be practiced and refined.

I'm going to catch that creep thing

What does that even mean? If you're a sexual male you're going to make some women uncomfortable every now and again. It's not necessarily your fault (although sometimes it it is), and it's not necessarily their fault either (although sometimes it it is). The easiest way to not be a creep is.. to not be a creep. The easiest way to be a creep is to go into every interaction with women thinking that you're a creep.

I'm not that attractive (labeled a 6 or 7)

Lol did you even read his book? Why are you rating yourself on a numeric scale? You're a human being, not a smartphone on Amazon. The 10 scale is toxic, get it out of your mind.

Everything you've complained about is broken down and refuted in Models and on his blog, yet you're choosing to buy into your mental narratives that put your lack of dating success on external factors instead of accepting that the responsibility lies on you.

VDKay · 2017-06-03T11:11:00+00:00

If you feel that you don't connect with a particular person, his "methods" might not "click" with you, and that's completely acceptable. You will have to find someone who you can connect to. For example more passive and down to earth people may find that they connect better with RSD Todd, rather than with RSD Julien, even though they both essentially teach the same thing (without implying that one is better than the other). We are all just different and that's what makes us who we are. Otherwise, if you all approach girls in the same manner, with the same canned material, we would not be far from robots.

What is NOT acceptable is passing the blame for your fear of approaching to external parameters (especially if those parameters are unchangable, e.g. your height), and thus remain in your comfort zone and not approach any more. This is unforgivable.

VodkaClub1217 · 2017-06-03T13:16:07+00:00

Yes and I can say his approach works.

First of all I don't know where you get the impression that he's good looking. He's actually a pretty average looking guy and I'd say below average looking compared to guys in NYC. He's not Paul Janka who actually is both tall and good looking (no disrespect to Janka whose advice I appreciate as well).

I think I know what you're going through. I'm probably even uglier than you are and as a result I let this perception of my own objective attractiveness feed into a negative, cynical feedback loop for most of my life thus causing me to have a crappy attitude until recently.

What /u/underrdog is saying below about how "people feel your mood" is correct but I want to take his sentiment even further: women ESPECIALLY feel what you're feeling, much more so than other men. If you reframe the way you're thinking about yourself and go into interactions with people with a genuine desire to listen to what they have to say, whether they be men or women, you'd be surprised how much they will enjoy having conversations with you.

2017-06-03T16:37:55+00:00

They're pretty good, girls are timewasters by nature. MM will help you put the timewasters aside and clear the way for the ones that are actually interested. Being a creep is not letting your intentions be known and being afraid to be vulnerable for just a few seconds.

Sunframe · 2017-06-04T01:01:33+00:00

I'm 5'5", barely 115 lbs, and to top it off I'm a foreigner. I've slept with super pretty girls way taller than me.

Your looks are only debilitating if you let them be. If you walk around like you're a 6 foot beast and believe it, others will too. You can't change your looks, so don't let them bother you. Just be the best you that you can be.

SyrusDrake · 2017-06-03T11:38:28+00:00

I fully agree. In fact, it's what irks me about practically all dating coaches you can find on the web.
Oh, women are always super open to you approaching them and would never call you a creep or a pervert? Yea, I wonder if it has anything to do with you being super attractive and sexy. I'm sure my 2/10 ass would get the exact same results and totally not get a taste of pepper spray after two seconds...
It gets really irritating.

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