[SERIOUS] Expert or Master level PUA's: For those of us who have been in the game longer than r/seduction or most PUA material existed, looking back, do you think having such a wide variety of material is a help or a henderence?

SnapSocialGuru · 2018-12-05T18:06:52+00:00

It doesn’t retract from your own “ah ha” moments.

If you’re someone who’s taking action and pushing their edge on a daily basis, it’s good to know that there are others out there who are going through the same struggle. It can be a lonely ride. To have a community revolving around this is awesome.

I went through a major breakup seven months ago and had to relearn a lot of styles I let go of. Furthermore, turning 26, I also had to learn a completely new style (because I’m no longer into college chicks or younger gals who fall for easy tricks, but rather more mature young women who have a career and have been through it all). I had to reinvent myself.

With that said, as someone who’s studied this stuff for 8-9 years, having mentors virtually and in real life has been a tremendous use to me. Taking courses and reading articles from those who are older than me has been a rocket.

The influx of free information out there does require you to use your judgment. But I’d say the fact that overall, more styles and personalities being introduced into this realm is a great thing.

TallDarkandBot · 2018-12-05T18:41:11+00:00

I think it helps guys like us who have never had issues with getting laid (or at least weren't afraid to fail, learn, and try again), it gives us a forum to bounce ideas and fun stories.

But for guys who are just breaking into the game, I notice that they get information overload and want "perfect lines" and scenarios instead of going out there and learning through trial and error.

Indyrect4Lyfe · 2018-12-05T19:25:55+00:00

In my opinion, seduction ebooks and videos are worse than they were 8 years ago. Not that they were particularly good then either. A lot of pranksters, mindset masturbators or hiring actresses for the latest "same day lay threesome" infield. The consensus in "The Community" seems to have shifted to the admission that game doesn't help much, and getting laid is about looks or "numbers game". One petty PUA used to ban guys from his forum for "game denialism" but after a few years he's come around.

Trial and error is impractical most of the time. Women don't explain the reasons for their rejection, and even if they did, could you trust them? If a woman rejects you, it may be because of something you did 5 minutes ago, or she simply wasn't attracted to your appearance to begin with. So causation can be tricky to establish.

10+ years ago, PUA was the domain of nerds and other weirdos. Recently, thanks to the accessibility on Youtube and Facebook, good-looking men have also got into it, and they also get more success out of it. They just need to approach and touch more, and be more pushy. Maybe they get by with sage advice such as "just do it, brah" and get their epiphanies.

idexo · 2018-12-05T18:37:48+00:00

Every journey is a new one to the person who went on. So you can’t really learn without experiencing yourself.

porn-chicken · 2018-12-05T22:51:13+00:00

Are there even any "master" level pickup artists left? Are there even any PUAs here that were around during the original movement? I imagine that if they were any good they'd be married/settled down by now.

To answer your question; why would having resources not be beneficial? Humans have made leaps and bounds throughout history by documenting things. It lets us build on the discoveries of others. It lets us be scientific. It lets us compound our experiences. Just because you stumbled across something by chance doesn't make it any more valuable. Learning to execute it is a challenge regardless.

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