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[β]Kenic_In_MD 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
The biggest hint I can give you is that you started from the wrong place. Good job on doing approaches however the starting point for you was "inner game" you said you were depressed and not happy with your life. You gotta make moves to improve that first and feel better about your situation or actively improve it. Once you have a solid base THEN approach. Your results will improve greatly.
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[β]beserker112 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Ever heard the saying "don't put pussy on a pedestal?" I feel like that could be an issue with you. You should find other things your passionate about. And don't treat them as queens.
Try see it like this: Isn't it weird to supplicate to someone you just met... Putting them high up, complimenting and getting their number etc? Treat them with a balance of good and bad. Negging/teasing is good, HAVE BOUNDARIES. If they call you and your busy, tell em call em back later, and maybe don't.
let the chase you. its a game, maybe you give them things too quick. Chill bro.
Think about it :)
[β]Strange_ghost 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I would never put a girl on a pedestal man, i donΒ΄t believe in negging tbh! thanks man!
[β]beserker112 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Ok, but do you put yourself first? Always. Do you speak your mind with complete honesty? If they say they like justin bieber, do you say you'd rather fuck a dog than listen to his song for more than 10 seconds? (exaggerated). But you get the point.
[β]Strange_ghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
yup im 100% honest, no bs, i have clear intent, one thing i know is that i give too much compliments. other than that im low-energy tipe of guy.
i just feel stuck on asking what are her interests and why she does certain things, shes asks what i do, i give her value for liking what she does most of the time and ask for her number and close with something like "are u a tea or coffee person" "letΒ΄s have a tea # day" " u seem interesting give me ur number, letΒ΄s hangout". other than this i just open well
[β]beserker112 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do you flirt? Do you show you are sexually attracted? Show how passionate you are.
[β]Strange_ghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i guess i donΒ΄t flirt much.
Can you give some examples of showing attraction?
[β]beserker112 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
compliment/insult at the same time. Don't reply straight away all the time. Tease them depending on situation. Be risky. Be ballsy.
For example, this girl i recently met at uni, i call her lil gangstah cause shes short and has a bit of a hidden attitude. So i tease that and also use it as a way to introduce sexual jokes.
Find shit to bond over too. They are like friends, dont forget that. If you haven't spoken to them in a couple days or whatever, hit them up like.
The following is a recent one i did:
Me: "I need help" 9:30pm Her: Whats up with you? 9:31pm Me: I can't stop watching netflix 9:32pm Me: Umbrella Academy got me in a trance 9:34pm Her: Ima start it right now 11:28pm Her: Wait what that's the guy from misfits Me: Good girl (12:30am) Me: Its ma boi nathan (12:31am) Me: If you had a power from misfits, which would it be and why? Her: id have alishas
bla bla bla
You get the point. Be flirty, playful, but also be a boss. And all that is subcommunicating. If you read between the lines. If they do something that you don't like. Don't smile and give them special attention. Get angry. Its fucking weird if you don't. Girls test you subconsciously. Be a man. Confident men aren't afraid of their emotions. Express who you are confidently man.
Hope this helped. Peace and good luck.
[β]Strange_ghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man,that was a good example i appreciate it! keep it up!
[β]Throwaway19181914 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hi read your post got some ideas 1) if your looking for just sex and don't care about looks their are plenty of hook up sites. But be careful and safe because the women are a bit crazy. 2) Dating sites follow the 80/20 rule strictly this means 80% of the girls want 20% of the men so if you want quick reliable results you need to put 200% in. Pictures have to be excellent quality and present you as god's gift to women. I personally would focus on cold approaches as this is has two main advantages over dating sites. One you can instantly guage the girls interest and during the interaction you have got no competitors. On dating sites a 5/10 can have 40 men talking to her in two weeks. So dating sites are for women not men. 3) I am jealous you had the confidence to approach 100 women, the amount of growth you have made is amazing. I think you should focus on this and approach at places where women have their guards down like festivals, bars, clubs, party holiday hot spots and city events like book, wine or food events. Make sure you are going to events that interest you so that even if you strike out you will can still have a good time. Women can smell desperation and frustration so it is important to have a abundance mindset. The event is your main course and the girl is just a dessert so if you don't get her it doesn't matter because your satisfied. 4) Finally if you see a girl you like try to make eye contact. When you have caught eyes smile or wave depending on how good your smile is. If she smiles back or waves back then she then you are fine to approach her. This way you can know in 3 seconds whether you she's interested. Make sure you are well groomed and you are wearing good clothes. 5)Lower your standards if your looking for a short term relationship go for average girls because they are less complicated and difficult. Also most of these girls haven't been approached or complimented by dudes so your flattery will have more impact and there is a good chance she has no dudes talking to her.
[β]greenlittleman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
More than anything "inner game" is your worldview, not meditation and what you do for life. If you think what girls flake because of your looks then it is already means what your worldview is flawed.
First of all are you doing daygame or nightgame? If you do later then obviously your numbers would be flakes, lol. In nightgame the only way is to have same night lay. BTW in daygame it is preferable as well. If you can create some connection and attraction in daygame then instead of just getting # from a girl you should offer her to meet you later and use phone only to get this meeting arranged. You can't make a girl attracted to you through text in most cases it is impossible and counter-productive. Your problem is what you do something very wrong on one of the stages of seduction process, but because of your "confidence" what you know everything you can't even see where your problem lies exactly. Fat guys with no style still could get laid from cold approach if they know what they are doing, so you just doing something fundamentally wrong and/or follow wrong advices.
Most likely you have problems even on level of theory and don't understand what exactly are you doing. Watch and implement videos from Todd who is one of the best in theory of pickup. If you know where to search you could even find his paid products like Women or System for free, then just implement things from them step by step and you will get consistent results. For 95% of guys main problem is to take action at all, so you already did hardest part.
[β]Strange_ghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Man, that was a great advice thanks for your words and time!
I actually do only daygame... I guess I'm not closing properly, cause I get the number but it gets hard to arrange a meeting to see her while gaming. I get her to laugh and she seems amused so I guess I know how to get an emotional connection. Definitely know how to open, maybe I don't pull the trigger in the right way/time but I guess I know how to close. What bothers me are the great interactions where the girls looks like she is really into me and connected and then... Boom! Nothing. Really demoralizing.
Thanks dude!
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I know man, it is putting me down like never... But can't help, its been hard to accept
[β]passionlessDrone -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I see this advice a lot but don't see how it helps. There is not some big mystery as to what is making my unhappy; it is the lack of a woman's touch in my life.
[β]Kenic_In_MD 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A lack of a women's touch is a contributing factor sure. But it cant be the only thing. Be honest with yourself there is definitely something else lacking that is making you depressed. Girls are one thing but what else is there.
when you are rejected hundreds of times, you start to question your value to the opposite sex, iΒ΄m depressed because i feel like i can change this aspect of my life even with seduction which is the way of bringing women that you want to your life.
[β]Kenic_In_MD 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have been rejected hundreds of times, you do start to question if you aren't worth it to girls but thats simply not the case. Just keep trying. It might take a thousand "No's" to get to the one "Yes!"
itely something else lacking that is making you depressed
i agree
[β]matejix 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lift
[β]Foobyx 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
fuck pick up.
Do something that fulfill you without depending of a lover for happiness.
Find a hobby, go meet people, make friends, find something you enjoy in life. Then go get gurls, none of them want to date an empty shell.
good luck
[β]gtrman571 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But what if the thing you enjoy in life is pick up?
but what if one of the basic needs you have and actually enjoy/love are women?
[β]gtrman571 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm in the same boat - I've approached hundreds of girls mostly in the day - A bunch of numbers, 5 women to come out and meet me at a different location, 0 of which led to sex - I'll keep trying though...
[β]greenlittleman 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There was guy few months ago who have had sex with 4+ women after starting cold approach daygame for a little more than a month. Obviously you will get laid from cold approach, lol. If you are good then fucking 1 out of 10 women wouldn't be hard.
[β]lonerboner123 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If you ask me, you're showing your intent too soon. That's the beauty of teasing and being a bit cocky, it doesn't show that you wanna get in her pants but rather makes you the prize. Any frame where you're chasing her, at least initially, may be causing this.
[β]Strange_ghost 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man! I was actually talking to my friend of that possibility. Some great advice!
[β]lonerboner123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also mad props on approaching. I just turned 21 and I look forward to doing some approaches. Any advice for someone who tends to get nervous/afraid of rejection? I have success in my social circle and tinder (easy mode), but I feel like true freedom of choice comes from cold approaches.
any advice
I was nervous, but when you feel pain by not having the freedom of choice or being lonely etc, you just kick yourself in the butt and go for it.
Rejection will hurt in the beggining, but you will get used to it!
[β]omda1878 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You might be ugly as you say bro but you need to know that men s apparence count less than women s its about being an alpha don't be needy or to nice you will get friendzoned or even worse ignored instead try to be mysterious and selfish (relatively) just be your most amazing version and treat yourself as you were the prize to win ππ
it's really hard to believe that counts less, but i certantly won't give up!
[β]Dilpil01 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think your mindset is wrong. You shouldn't need girls to bring you out of depression. You must find happiness in your life and fix your problems first. Sounds like your skills in seduction is fine, but you shouldn't be relying on other to make you happy.
How about this - stop cold approach for a bit. Try to find some good friends you like or join a sports team, music, whatever. Try out something else for a while. Come back to it when you feel self fulfilled. You might end up meeting a girl you really like through a community group.
Whilst I support cold approach, there is only so much you can do, many many girls would flake no matter what. If I was a girl, even if the guy was hot and I liked him I probably would still flake. Try to find avenues of warm approach if you want to make some more reliable connections with girls.
I'm approaching because I want women not to heal depression, now I'm depressed cause I ain't getting any
[β]Dilpil01 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point still stands you're letting them determine your frame of mind.
[β][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Mate I hit 300 cold approaches with little success. Join the club...
i feel bad for you man, it sucks, are you getting feedback? what are the things you think you should do better?
Not really, but ain't the ugliest one... I've dated few but all beautiful girls.
[β]Murfdigidy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
First of all you're mentioning cold approaching which is extremely tough even for advanced seducers. you have to build the social network first that's the that's the best way to get girls, you meet friends, friends have friends and more friends. it's joining clubs, joining the gym, joining activities, stuff like that. Just get you out versus meeting a girl out at a coffee shop and just getting her number, that's really hard to do and really hard not to get flaked on. It's not personal either, meeting a stranger is extremely hard to gain enough comfort for a girl that she's willing to meet you again. This is level 100 flake zone material and it happens to the best.
As others have mentioned it's all about your inner game and confidence you're always going to get rejected, it's how you react to that rejecting that defines you. if you get all down and pissed off you're taking a personal which you should never do. you have no idea what's going on in any girl's life she might have a thousand reasons why you're not the one for her including she already has a boyfriend Etc.
Anyways I think you're on a really good path to be honest, you're down because you're not getting any solid leads/closes but keep learning and looking and I promise you results.
Start keeping a log of what seems to work and what doesn't that help me in general are there things that you can do that will help you and there's things that are hurting you if you make note of them you'll start gravitating to the ones that are working and you'll notice better results. Again you can have perfect game and a girl could still reject you, and that's not your fault, it's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it is you just have to smile and keep going
[β]Paltenburg 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
cold approaching which is extremely tough
I was always curious about this.. It's talked about so much, but are there really a lot of guys (for example on this sub) that go out daygaming each saturday, like it's a regular thing?
[β]I_Main_TwistedFate 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
The best of the best PUA success rate for day game/night game is 3%. I believe mystery is 3%. And getting 1% success rate is very good.
[β]Paltenburg 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm just curious how regularly everyone here does it.
[β]Aghayden 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
95% of the community doesn't go out at all. About 4% go out once or twice a month if not less. And 1% goes out several times a week.
These numbers are estimates, but they're not completely made up. In my city our "pua lair" has 400 active members on Facebook and only about 20 of those members go out at all. Of those 20 that go out, only about 5 go out at least twice a week consistently.
where are the studies man?
[β]bulldog_in_the_dream 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where do you get those numbers? For night game I'd say I end up sleeping with 20-30% of the women I approach the same night. I'm average looking and my game is shit/nonexistent.
[β]I_Main_TwistedFate 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am trying my best to find the post. I remember reading it from here and rooshv.
[β]greenlittleman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You are right, but you are wrong. You are right what most "pickup gurus" have only about 3% success rate. But you are wrong what "best PUA" have success this low. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/9ock2a/my_daygame_experience_so_far_statistics_and/
Guy who just started will have similar statistic as well, but for experienced and not creepy guy 5%+ is easily achievable.
[β]Aghayden 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Last time I did daygame I did 6 approaches, got 4 numbers, and 2 of those numbers turned into dates (one of which was a solid 9 by my standards).
A 1% success rate would be terrible. 3% is awful too. I'd say at a beginner level you can realistically get 5%-10% of your approaches to lead to dates. As you get more experienced it'll never get close to 100% but it will steadily increase over time.
Personally, my average outcome for a night out is to pull an 8-8.5 and get a handful of numbers. I do 20-30 approaches on average. I could be more efficient by going for the number with a lot more of the girls I approach, but at a certain point you'd have more dates than you can deal with.
And that should be normal. I've coached guys who've never approach a girl during the day and in their first day they'll approach 10 girls, get several numbers, and start dating one of those girls. It's not difficult to get consistent results IF you have a strategy in place that is effective.
The problem is most guys have horribly inefficient game strategies. For instance, a lot of guys will go out for 2 hours but only approach 2 girls and maybe get one of their numbers. But in two hours, they could have approached 20 girls and got 10 numbers if they really tried.
[β]I_Main_TwistedFate 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
These top PUA approach thousands and thousands of women so it will even out. These are lay counts btw
[β]greenlittleman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These top PUA either do very low investments approach which screening girls way too fast, or their ability to attract women is very very low.
i think im being fucked by my genes tbh not by skill and numbers.
m is most guys have horribly inefficient game strategies. F
whatΒ΄s your strategy(not talking about numbers)?
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[β]Strange_ghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't how that can help, girls are part of the process...
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[β]Strange_ghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
yup, i get you man.... but monk mode it's been really hard.
Do you recommend anything to improve conversational skills other than talking to people and paying attention to what social people say?
[β][deleted] 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Also, be willing to listen and ask leading questions: "What happened then?", etc.
i actually to that, but i back off when she doesn't know what she does, and give her examples, "don't you like travelling etc" or "well what are your hobbies" and then when she replies i start to qualify immediately like "i like girls who are into # music" or "u seem like a girl who does # or does # " then or dies(if she's not into me) or she just laughs then i close. not much else.
Why facts that aren't interesting?
i guess i need to tease more...
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