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Higher Incidence of Abuse in Intimate Relationships Involving Women Compared to Male-Only Partnerships - Gilmore Health News

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July 16, 2024

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Title	Higher Incidence of Abuse in Intimate Relationships Involving Women Compared to Male-Only Partnerships - Gilmore Health News
Author	NHS_24
Upvotes	109
Comments	28
Date	July 16, 2024 3:25 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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I guess I’m not quite sure what you are going for here? Are you trying to say there is some intrinsic difference between men and women that causes women to be more violent?

I totally can get behind an argument that it is evolutionary. In prehistoric times, any time a man would be in a physical conflict with another man there would be a risk of death, or even just maiming which would lead to death. Therefore we have an incentive to work out a conflict without violence, if possible.

If women were to have a physical confrontation the most likely risk is loss of social standing? Physical confrontation is probably still discouraged but not like it would have been for men.

I guess I don’t know enough about genetics to say that behavior doesn’t have a genetic component. But to me that kind of thing starts to brush against eugenics which makes me uncomfortable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I was responding to your comment which read "We are socially conditioned to believe 'don't hit women' instead of 'don't hit people'". This is a product of evolution, and its necessity can be deduced by straightforward reasoning. I am not talking about how violent women or men are in general, and especially not about male on male violence. I have no idea how you leapfrogged there lol. But since you brought it up, here are my two cents:

*Men are more violent towards other men than women are towards either gender. The exception is romantic partners or family. Women are more violent towards romantic partners or family than men are towards intimates (including male intimates).

*Men are far less violent towards women than they are towards other men, and far less violent towards women than women are with either men or women (when women attack other women, due both to their weakness and our instinctual biases, it is not seen as anything atrocious). A possible exception is men who have a private relationship with a woman, but we have largely left this in the past. And that is not to say that he would not have been even more violent had he been in a relationship with a weak man (he most certainly would have been).

*Women are more violent towards other women than men are towards women. I have literally seen women talking about being raped by their female friends in a lighthearted manner, asking for advice on how to bring up their "weird" behaviour in their next meetup. Responses are likewise lighthearted. If it were a man, she would have gotten her male friends to shank him already.

*Women largely initiate violence through indirect means. When it is direct (and really, in either case), it is rationalised and justified so extensively both by themselves and by others, it goes totally unnoticed as "capital V Violence" (our notion of violence as committed by men).

*Women are much more violent towards men than they are towards women. However, they are less violent towards men than men are towards other men.

In general, men are more violent; however, men are less violent towards women than they are towards other men. Men's violence is largely discriminatory, directed towards other men.

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I don't trust the stats because they are based upon bullshit definitions..
Rape for example, In MANY countries men can not accuse a woman of "Rape" because the crime is specifically gendered in such a way as to imply that ONLY men can commit rape..

Men can be raped by other men but not women..

Thanks to the prevalence of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence, men are assumed to be the aggressors in all cases of DV involving a man and a woman..
This often means that when male victims of DV at the hands of women come forward to report their abuse they are often told they were probably the abuser..

This in turn is reflected in the stats which seem to point to women being the majority victims of both rape and domestic violence.
But in many cases, women often initiate Domestic Violence at the same rates men do or, they are often the ones who escalate the situation by attacking first or by throwing things at their partner.. or by stopping their partner from leaving to de-escalate the situation..

Just look at the Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp situation where Johnny would attempt to de-escalate by removing himself from the situation and Amber would follow him to continue the argument / fight...

Switching Gear for a second, here in New Zealand we have the crime of "Assault" which is fairly stock standard we all know what Assault is..
But we also have "Male Assaults Female" which is treated as a "worse" crime than standard assault and carries harsher penalties than standard "Assault" does.

This means that a woman can assault a man in New Zealand and she will be charged with standard "Assault" but if a man assaults a woman? well now it becomes "Male Assaults Female" and is treated essentially as a hate crime..

Also, here in New Zealand women can not be charged with "Rape" they can only be charged with "Unwanted Sexual Contact" which we are told "Its totally the same crime and is just as serious!!" but it doesn't carry the same social stigma that the crime of "Rape" does..
And lets not even get into the fact that women in New Zealand have a massive bias in their favor when it comes to the criminal justice system..

My point here is.. The statistics SEEM to point to an epidemic of "Violence" and "Sexual Assault" towards women..
And let me be clear here.. YES women ARE raped and yes many women ARE victims of domestic violence.. I am in no way shape or form denying it or minimizing the harm many women face..
But what is often overlooked is how many men are also victims of these crimes often blatantly so.

If the definition of "Rape" were more gender inclusive, then the stats would show a much different trend..
If we didn't have the Duluth Model influencing how the crime of Domestic Violence is reported we'd also see a different trend in the statistics there..
But its never going to happen because it would destroy the feminist narrative of "Men are evil abusers"

[–]captainhornheart 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

From the latest version of the report your link is based on, the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS):

Almost 1 in 2 women (47.3% or 59 million) in the United States reported any contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking victimization by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime (Figure 1, Table 1). Seven percent (7.3% or 9 million) of U.S. women experienced any contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking victimization by an intimate partner in the 12 months before the survey (Table 1).

More than 40 percent (44.2% or 52.1 million) of U.S. men reported any contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime (Figure 2, Table 2). In the 12 months prior to the survey, 6.8% of men (8.0 million) reported any contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner (Table 2).

The methodology has been updated since the survey you cherry-picked. There's little difference in DV victimisation between men and women in the US. Everyone punches down, which is why children are physically abused by men and women at roughly equal rates. Sorry to burst your bubble, but women are just as inherently violent as men, only smaller and weaker on average.

Also, the survey doesn't account for emotional/psychological abuse, which is probably most often perpetrated by women.