Victim blaming male suicide

Educational_Mud_9062 · 2024-07-17T06:31:59+00:00

The worst, in my opinion, is the oft-repeated line about men choosing "more violent" ways to kill themselves which is used to both paint men as uncaring and self-centered because women ostensibly care more about who might find their bodies and to downplay the undeniable fact that men commit the vast majority of successful suicides as nothing but a consequence of "male" impulsiveness and violence. Of course the suggestion that men might follow through successfully with suicide more often because they are more likely to suffer the true despair that leads to suicide can't be considered in the mainstream because doctrine says women always have it worse than men in any and all circumstances. It's just gravy that when you look at places without ready access to guns like the UK men still commit most suicides and within the same method men are more likely to actually follow through which absolutely debunks the idea that men somehow aren't more likely to be serious about being suicidal. The whole discussion is just disgusting. Victim blaming is just one facet of the depraved discourse conjured up around suicide to avoid admitting perhaps the most obvious indicator one could ask for that men suffer extremely severe mental distress more acutely and more pervasively than women.

7evenCircles · 2024-07-17T06:45:54+00:00

A majority of men who commit suicide are found to have been in contact with mental health professionals preceding their suicide. I think it's around ~55%.

I think "victim blaming" as a term has been mostly driven into the ground by casual overuse. I just call it the empathy gap in action, and an inability or unwillingness to think about men with any amount of complexity.

rammo123 · 2024-07-17T10:15:52+00:00

The more I get older the more I resent the entire philosophy of "talk it out" when it comes to men's issues, because it's the only solution we're ever allowed to talk about. There's never any mainstream discussion about the serious, societal-level change that we need (and deserve).

Imagine if a women was raped and the only thing that any ever attempted to do about it was suggest she gets therapy? A black victim of police brutality being told the cops won't get punished but they should talk about their feelings to someone"?

JJnanajuana · 2024-07-17T10:31:45+00:00

The "talk about your problems" thing is such a cop-out.

Like great, R talked about how his abusive ex is using DARVO, telling the court and their kids that he was abusive, and he misses his kids...

Now what?

When women do this, they are advised to talk to refuges and womens legal aid (government sponsored legal help for women where I live) and when men do?

Nothing...?

And that's if they keep their feelings in check with their therapist. (That's how therapy works best right? /s)

If they vent the wrong way, and their therapist thinks they might be a threat to someone, (themself or other) the cops get called and there's even more problems. (Happened to a friend of mine.)

And it's a cop-out because most men do talk.

One stat (several references deep) is that :

Almost all (91%) middle-aged men had been in contact with at least one frontline service or agency, most often primary care services (82%). Half had been in contact with mental health services. Contact with services ranged from within one week of death (38%) to more than three months prior to death (49%);

And

One telling statistic was that for 97 middle-aged men, the clinician’s estimation of suicide risk at final service contact was recorded as “low”, or “not present”, in 80% of cases.

Source:

Thanks to thetinmen for giving me the references.

Valuable-Owl-9896 · 2024-07-17T06:52:32+00:00

Nah something worse is put against male suicide victims. People claim that male suicide often involve killing their own families or they don't care about how their family feel and therefore use violent methods.

2024-07-17T10:27:50+00:00

A study in the UK found that the vast majority of men do seek help.

https://www.hqip.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/NCISH_2021-Suicide-by-middle-aged-men-report_HQIP_FINAL.pdf

Figure 8 shows the pattern of lifetime and recent contact with front-line services and their recognition of risk. 91% middle-aged men had been in contact with at least one service or agency at some time. This was most often with primary care (i.e. GP; 199, 82%), followed by mental health services (120, 50%), the emergency department (80, 33%) and justice system agencies (73, 30%)'. 67% had been in recent contact with services, mainly primary care (105, 43%), and in 9% of these, risk was viewed as moderate or high - in the others there was either no evidence of suicide risk assessment (44%), the categorisation of risk was unrecorded (16%) or seen as low (31%).

Recent contact with services was recorded for 76% (117/153) of men who had explicitly indicated their risk through self-harm or the expression of suicidal intent.

Note that mental health services require referral from a clinician such as a GP. So 50% being in contact with mental health services is quite high.

BootyBRGLR69 · 2024-07-17T23:21:34+00:00

I once saw a post on instagram threads (a veritable cesspool of misandry) that argued the tendency for men to choose suicide by firearm is a sort of final show of patriarchal dominance by the suicide victim, because “women are forced to clean it up”

I have struggled with suicidal thoughts/tendencies all my life, and that post caught me in a particularly bad place. It got me spiraling into guilt and hopelessness, and I almost attempted that night—I got as far as tying a noose.

It’s honestly amazing how little sympathy is given to male depression/suicidality. And I don’t think a lot of these feminists understand how much their rhetoric absolutely destroys men who are in that place. Because ultimately, the message is that “it’s your fault”.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand why making suicidal people feel guilty for being suicidal is counterproductive at best and cruel at worst.

Skirt_Douglas · 2024-07-17T15:45:22+00:00

I’m pretty sure most men do, at least in my experience.

Correct, this is backed up by data, this is the most important take away. They are not just victim blaming, they are lying.

no_user_ID_found · 2024-07-18T05:49:17+00:00

When woman try to commit suicide it’s often a cry for help.

When men try to commit suicide it’s often a solution to a problem.

And talking about a problem often doesn’t solve the problem.

2024-07-17T08:27:05+00:00

Nah of course you're right. Mainstream mental health industry (the industry dedicated to damaging one's health) is horribly biased against men and almost entirely consists of sexist women anyway (of course it's only inequality if 51% of some area specialists are men, if 99% are women it's not...), if anything it only helps furthering s*icidal tendencies. And talking about your problems to people close to you who are supposed to care (the old-fashioned way, before basic compassion became known as "emotional labour", "trauma dumping" and such) is also not an option, usually the majority of female friends and relatives will tell you to man up, or, better, to stop complaining how men have it worse and hijacking depression when there are girls who sometimes feel sad, hell they might call it emotional abuse, forcing them to feel human emotion towards you. The male ones... well, they'll probably dismiss you all the same plus they've got their own problems dissmissed just like that all the time, and the paid professionals, likely, would also say something similar (they're not called "the_rapists" for nothing). And then of course in rare lucky cases when a man has someone actually care about him, he's usually too broken already to "just talk about his problems".

SulkTv999 · 2024-07-18T17:32:14+00:00

Yeah feminist and gynocentrism do that a lot. I think it's them deflecting and framing.

Jealous_Ad7359 · 2025-06-29T11:28:04+00:00

553,000 a year 10,635 a week 1,515 a day

That's the suicide rate for men. Men make up 50% of the population, but 79% of the suicides and are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than women. Studies show that in the year leading up to suicide, 19% of men seek help from a professional, as opposed to women's 37%. 19%. That's less than one in five.

You don't have to go it alone, brothers. I would rather carry the weight of your tears than the weight of your casket.

Give me one day

Stay strong

Title	Victim blaming male suicide
Author	VeganSumo
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Date	July 16, 2024 11:24 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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