looking for a really good beginner page - something persuasive for a die-hard feminist

ZimbaZumba · 2013-01-02T22:57:29+00:00

The problem is not information but Cognitive Dissonance and Confirmation Bias.

Basically once people are set in their thinking it is pretty hard to move them with logic alone. She has to be exposed to stories highlighting the MRM cause; other people like yourself who hold views different to her's, and the fact these issues affect males she might care about. Then let time do its job, it's not a quick fix.

MechPlasma · 2013-01-03T00:09:56+00:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uwekw/facts_and_statistics_detailing_male_oppression/

It's far from a complete list (It doesn't address things like who the US hasn't executed a woman in years, which is always a big thing for me), but it's a good "beginner page" anyway.

It really depends more on what it is you're looking for. Ways in which men are 'institutionally' discriminated against, ways in which men are socially discriminated against, list of ways women aren't discriminated against as feminists say, and an explanation of why we think feminists are bad for equality are all very different topics.

thousand_cranes · 2013-01-02T22:14:38+00:00

I should have pointed out: I'm looking for something to send out.

It seems about once a week I run into somebody that talks about rape being only a man raping a woman thing. Or they talk about the 30% earnings gap. Or ... whatever. And I would like to send them a link to something that calmly, coolly, professionally explains a few of the issues.

DavidByron · 2013-01-03T04:47:17+00:00

People don't join hate groups for rational reasons and she won't leave for rational reasons. The sort of list you ask for wouldn't do the person any good unless they also experienced some sort of emotional jolt that would allow them to reconsider previously core identity assumptions.

Something like maybe a close male relative being fucked over in one of the usual ways. Or perhaps just a falling out with her feminist friends over something inconsequential.

dermanus · 2013-01-03T05:22:43+00:00

Misandry Bubble is a long read, but it does go into the subject in many angles.

It focuses more on the cultural and social consequences of anti-male attitudes than specific things like false rape claims or family law, but the author does touch on many MRA causes while building his case that misandry hurts everybody.

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mikesteane · 2013-01-03T08:31:06+00:00

My approach would not be to give her a rational argument, because "die-hard" means she has enormous resistance to persuasion.

I would simply point out to her that those women who seek to be imitation men end up alone, sad and bitter. That is the path her opinions will lead her along if she does not change them. Make the point and let her figure it out for herself.

Hamakua · 2013-01-03T10:43:38+00:00

Closest thing I can think of for a comprehensive coverage of men's rights issues is the MWM documentary series.

Here is a 7 minute entry, one of 59 IIRC

Men Don't Exist

The above, I believe, is the most "popular" but if you go to this page, it has all of the subjects color coded and organized so you can easily find what you are looking for.

Be aware of 2 things:

This is from the UK viewpoint so some of the minutia won't be exactly parallel to the US (voting rights, for example).
However, it is very important if you want to take anything useful from these films that you beware of taking any one film in isolation. ~~More details on the reasons why here.~~ Enjoy!

Bonus!

Throughout his series he has original interview content with Erin Prizzy,

She became internationally famous for having started one of the first women's refuges (called women's shelters in the U.S.) in the modern world, Chiswick Women's Aid, in 1971, the organisation known today as Refuge. Pizzey has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her statement that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally as capable of violence as men.

2013-01-02T22:58:00+00:00

Die hard feminists don't have the ability to critically think. Her eyes will glaze over and she'll start screaming about "mansplaining." Don't waste your time.

Title	looking for a really good beginner page - something persuasive for a die-hard feminist
Author	thousand_cranes
Upvotes	22
Comments	17
Date	January 2, 2013 10:04 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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