Is there a middle ground?

IHaveALargePenis · 2013-03-17T18:36:26+00:00

Not as long as equity feminists allow gender feminists to hide among them.

themountaingoat · 2013-03-17T18:33:31+00:00

If you think of feminism as the belief that men and women should be treated equally then this subreddit is more feminist than almost all feminist organizations. I think the MRM is probably doing more to help women with the problems they still face because of their gender, because many of those problems cannot be fixed without removing advantages that women have.

However feminism is not about equality between the sexes in practice; they ignore all the problems men face, exaggerate the problems women face, and generally are more interested in spreading the idea that women are oppressed and men are oppressors than in fixing any problems that either gender faces.

GrampappyJoe · 2013-03-17T20:33:05+00:00

I don't think there is a middle ground to be had. Both sides are fighting the same battles in the same direction. It's not a tug of war, it's a who's doing better so far. A slow painful footrace. We want men's issues to be taken seriously, they want women's issues to be taken seriously. I don't know why people think it's us vs them, like cats and dogs fighting. It's just an unfortunate practice in human nature that the mudslinging grabs more attention than the peaceful protests.

theozoph · 2013-03-18T02:14:25+00:00

Lol this thread again.

Can't we all just get along u guyz?!

seego79 · 2013-03-17T18:55:51+00:00

there is a middle ground, but its hard to get both sides to let their guard down. the debate tends to be between the extremes on both sides which inevitably leads to moderates being silenced on both sides.

i feel that i can work with feminists even though i don't believe in patriarchy theory or rape culture as ideas.

2013-03-17T23:33:47+00:00

I think that there are currently a lot of issues in both Women's and Men's rights and that people should be fighting for both. However, I think that in general, women are better at being wra's, and men are better at being mra's because the problem is actually applicable to themselves (not to say that there can be no crossover). A middle ground might not be as efficient because it's splitting its efforts instead of just having two independent groups working on each. The problem is that some people from either side get so intense to the point of denying the other groups issues or turning non-issues into a huge deal. So both a middle ground and two sides have their advantages and disadvantages. For a middle ground, try egalitarianism.

SilencingNarrative · 2013-03-17T23:45:44+00:00

If you are suggesting that there is a middle ground between feminism and respecting men's rights, then you see a conflict between the two. What sort of conflict do you see?

The way you phrased the question, it's like you want to pay lip service but not grant men equal rights to women.

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wildhert · 2013-03-18T02:12:56+00:00

I think there can be, simply put men have a superiority complex which gets in the way, and feminists only want "equality" where it is convenient for them, like wanting equal pay, but not to pay equally, or encouraging women to defend themselves by hitting guys in the balls, but bitching that female genital mutilation is evil. TD;LR equality cuts both ways people, you gotta give some up to gain a lot

Evilfetus155 · 2013-03-18T04:36:44+00:00

Why did you get so many downvotes? Of course there is a middle ground. The whole problem that I and many of my fellow men have with feminism is that it is a parody of itself. The point of the fight is to live in the world where where both men and women can walk as equal, but at this state Feminism is more "Women are more special than men." It's just as sexist as what the feminists claim to be against.

mikesteane · 2013-03-18T07:45:36+00:00

Perhaps instead of coming here and telling us this, you should go to radfems and start telling them that they do not represent you or most normal ordinary women. The problem is not with the MRM, it is with moderate feminists who argue with us instead of the extreme (and dominant) wing of that movement.

SilencingNarrative · 2013-03-18T13:52:54+00:00

Wow I lost track of this conversation for a while I guess. I have to say I agree with a lot of the guys on here. It does bother me when "feminists" take it upon themselves to point out every perceived act of sexism but don't see it when they do the same thing. For example the we saw your boobs song at the oscars. Was it ridiculous and crude, yes. But it was also funny and trying to make fun of itself. But it was immediately attacked. When I say I'm a feminist I mean that I see myself as an equal in work and relationships. I am not submissive and see myself as an equal participant. I just think it seems like both sides would rather attack each other than understand the crux of the problem. It's a lack of empathy I guess.

Mythandros · 2013-03-18T14:55:52+00:00

The only "middle ground" is called egalitarianism and is a dedication to the rights of both genders, equally, which feminism is not. Even the NAME FEMinism is horribly one-sided.

If you truly seek balance between the two, become an egalitarian.

PIBagent · 2013-04-01T13:18:35+00:00

OuiCrudites · 2013-03-18T04:15:06+00:00

Yes, but you have to be willing to reform the hate cult you're a part of.

blueastrosailor · 2013-03-18T00:13:19+00:00

In reply to the titular question: no. Feminism must be destroyed, and its proponents discredited. If you consider yourself a feminist, I consider you to be a hostile party who sullies the common air supply with her repugnant breath.

Always_Doubtful · 2013-03-17T19:33:43+00:00

It's hard to find middle ground with a group that actively hates you. The MRM is very hateful towards feminism, but many of them have a limited comprehension of what feminism means for them. I mean, the fact that men get alimony at all nowadays is because of feminism. They even rallied for women to be in combat. They realize that equal means women should split the check for a date, and not expect everything to be handed to them.

People here genuinely believe feminism causes women to screw over their husbands for child support, when, in reality, if feminism was MORE successful I think this would actually be less of an issue for men. But they act like I'm nuts for suggesting such things.

Title	Is there a middle ground?
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Date	March 17, 2013 6:03 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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