Just created this rape chart detailing specifically whether or not you have been raped. Does anyone find anything wrong with it?

Thesupremediggity · 2014-10-26T10:53:00+00:00

You use circles and long rounded shapes for the text bubbles. These are phallic symbols of the patriarchy, the SJW's are going to see right through your tricks.

Marlamin89 · 2014-10-26T11:46:09+00:00

Add arrows to lines to avoid confusion.

FallingSnowAngel · 2014-10-26T11:31:10+00:00

Your wording for personal agreements, suggests a green light to go before, means a green light to go, period, even if you revoke consent during.

I'm assuming that's unintentional? Otherwise, you're giving blanket permission to everyone who doesn't care about their partner's safety, or using any birth control.

the-tominator · 2014-10-26T12:15:16+00:00

Some shapes of colour maybe?

GenderNeutralLanguag · 2014-10-26T15:59:31+00:00

You are excluding male victims by defining rape as "Penetrated by force" but excluding "Forced to penetrate"

JayBopara · 2014-10-26T13:31:43+00:00

The fact that rape has become so complex and confused in meaning to have a complicated flow chart shows just how delicate this subject matter is. I thought it was simply sex without consent. The problem is feminists then make out that consent must be enthusiastic and must be every step of the way, and that is just not how human beings mate.

DavidByron2 · 2014-10-26T13:41:39+00:00

I guess there's potentially a few mistakes.

Often the definition of rape or sexual assault or aggravated sexual battery or whatever the kids are calling it these days, starts off with a required "sexual intent" in that first bubble. For example a parent putting a toothbrush in a kids mouth is not considered rape even though it's penetration of the mouth of someone who is under age.

But some definitions skip that intent part I think.

On the other hand when you said that prior consent for sex with someone who is unconscious works I don't think that is part of many if any definitions. IANAL though. A more popular example would be waking a partner with sex,

On the section with threats it's actually usually not the case that blackmail is sufficient force to count as rape. Typically it's direct force, threat of force to the victim or others that is lethal or a major wound. Sometimes there's a separate law for getting sex by fraud (pretending to be the husband for example).

The bit where you say if they thought you were able to consent but you were not able to consent -- sadly not true. It's a bit more subtle. It's usually if a reasonable person would think they were unable to consent, so if you're drunk enough to not be able to tell but a reasonable sober person could have told then it's probably rape.

There's often an exception for statutory rape by an adult for married couples. don't know if that's worth mentioning.

I probably missed stuff and it all varies a bit at the fuzzy edges from state to state at the level these criticisms are pitched although I think in each case they are pretty broadly true.

2014-10-26T21:35:40+00:00

or, from the feminists' standpoint:

rape is defined subjectively by the victim, if and when she decides to categorize the sexual activity as rape. there are no "two sides" to the story, and the other party's perspective should not be considered, as he is a lying rapist. (in reality he is often not questioned anyway, as the accusation is often only recounted to friends, families, and in memoirs, and is not subject to scrutiny.) nor should you question the victim's interpretation of events, as doubt keeps other victims from coming forward.

see how that works?

WhippingBoys · 2014-10-26T12:47:29+00:00

So, if they start drinking, they can no longer give consent?

rg57 · 2014-10-26T16:45:59+00:00

In Canada, rape is a particular kind of sexual assault. They are not two separate things.

rg57 · 2014-10-26T17:11:49+00:00

Although we had never discussed it, I was awoken one fine day by a sex partner having sex with me.

Perhaps if I was a dogmatist, I could have denounced him as him a rapist and had him imprisoned. But the fact is that I enjoyed it a lot. I thought that was a wonderful way to wake up, and I wanted it to happen again (sadly, it did not).

What is key is that, while I would have consented to the others, I never did consent to the first encounter. I was silent through the whole thing. I let my dick speak clearly for me. It would have been nonsensical, and destructive to the both of us, for me to have reported that.

And this reveals a flaw in your diagram. It actually contains the bubble "Did you consent to the encounter". Well, almost the entire diagram can be reduced down to that one bubble. That bubble is what your diagram ought to explain. Because sometimes it is TRUE that silence is consent.

It's unclear whether your diagram is dispensing legal advice, or philosophical.

Budthestud_ · 2014-10-26T17:54:44+00:00

Here is a another chart

rg57 · 2014-10-26T16:50:31+00:00

Also, I would never advise someone to consult the police to ask if they've been raped.

Regardless of the law, if you are aware of the facts, and you still don't KNOW, then you haven't been raped.

If teenagers followed this advice, they could get themselves and their friends in a huge amount of trouble, lasting the rest of their lives.

Mhrby · 2014-10-26T20:42:17+00:00

Found 1 error.

You got this chain:

Did you consent to the encounter? ---Yes--> Did you Revoke Consent during the encounter ---Yes--> Did the person/s involved know this ---Yes--> It was Rape

I think between "did the person/s involved know this" and "it was rape", you need a "did they stop the encounter upon knowing this?", where a no leads to it was rape, a yes, leads to not rape

Title	Just created this rape chart detailing specifically whether or not you have been raped. Does anyone find anything wrong with it?
Author	WhippingBoys
Upvotes	0
Comments	33
Date	October 26, 2014 8:51 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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