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Testosterone and you

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December 20, 2018

Not sure if MRP addresses these questions but it's an important aspect of being a dude. Testosterone isn't in the sidebar and didn't see any posts on it.

Me 34, wife 32, married 3.5 years, together 7

5'10", 185 lbs, 11% BF, BP 175, BSQ 220, OHP 130, DL 250, BBR 150

Self employed artist, on the road for 1-2 weeks a month.

Most of my life I've struggled with risk taking. In general, I'm very pragmatic, slowly upwardly mobile by being financially conservative, good discipline and habits, never rattling the sabre but making maneuvers behind the scenes. I can't grow a full beard but neither can my dad or either grandpa (tho grandma has a healthy stache). I've been reasonably fit my whole life but I seem to hit a wall with gains. I've been taking Rogaine for 4 years and Propecia for 3 years, hair looks good and didn't feel side effects from that.

I'd read about low T from yall and decided to get tested. I did the ZRT home test (4 vials of saliva and 9 dabs of blood) and mailed it in.

Saliva was 92 pg/ml. Says the range is 44-148 pg/mL depending on age.

Blood test was 408 ng/dL. Their range says 400 - 1,200 depending on age, average for a 34 should be north of 600.

I've read that there isn't a right amount of testosterone, but that there's an optimal amount for each man. Personally, I don't feel I have enough. If this is where my levels are after 2 years of consistent diet and lifting, then god only knows how low I was before. Curious if any other men here have taken the test, and how they approached optimal levels. Did you take the natural way, lifting, diet, etc. or did you supplement, inject, topical, etc?

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Title Testosterone and you
Author DownVoteForDickPic
Upvotes 14
Comments 33
Date 20 December 2018 07:30 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/203731
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[–]coachdad814 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'll mention natural options. This is the holy triumvirate of testosterone:

  1. Lift heavy weights with long rests between sets. The more muscle mass you build the higher the testosterone. Lose bodyfat because fat is estrogenic. 11% is good but maybe aim for sub 10%. Your lifts aren't terrible but they have room for improvement. 185 lb man should be 1.5x bodyweight bench press, 2x bodyweight squat and 2.5x bodyweight deadlift. Also limit LSD or long slow distance cardio. Sprints or HIIT is for raising test.
  2. Eat a diet full of red meat, high fat, lots of vegetables and starchy carbs, with limited or no grains and zero sugar. This alone will impact your test levels massively. No sugar diets like Paleo or Keto have proven to increase test and other guys on RP have mentioned fasting but I could never make it past 4 hours. There's even a testosterone diet.
  3. Sleep 8+ hours a night and have lots of sex. Bodybuilders will sleep 12 hours when they are in training mode. Sleep before midnite counts twice. Sex with a woman increases test levels but slapping salami to porn does not.

I've been a Strength & Conditioning Coach for 12 years. I abide by a strict protocol of fish oil, vitamins, creatine, cold showers, and zero alcohol or caffeine that has increased my test levels naturally into my late 30's. I eat 250 grams of protein a day, heavy on fats, lots of veggies, and sleep more than 8 hours a night. Stats are 38 yrs old, 6'2", 195lbs, 8% bodyfat, recent lifts as of 12/15 are 245 bench, 365 squat, 490 deadlift.

[–]JudgeDoom697 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I went to a men's clinic and got the initial blood test for free. I was in the 300's (I'm 53 years old and lift heavy 3x per week).

I give myself separate injections of T and HCG every Wednesday and B12 and HCG every Saturday.

They do labs after every four weeks and adjust the dosage accordingly.

Recently I started with a low dose of Anastrozole as an estrogen blocker because my estrogen was creeping up.

After six months of steadily increasing dosages, my T is in the 900's.

I have noticeable improvement in my mood and libido. My voice has gotten deeper and facial hair is thicker.

My muscle mass and body fat continue to improve, but I'm can't say if it is a result of the T, because I've also been lifting.

The only bad side effects I've noticed is the occasional zit on my back.

My health insurance covers everything, except for a copay on the meds.

[–]WesternhagenWinner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My experience is very similar to this. Age 54. Back in 2016, I got three blood tests - one was in the 400s and the others were in the 200s. Since then, I've injected with Cypionate once a week. Takes five minutes, very easy. My doc does labs every three months and my dosage has been stable for a long time. After about six months my estrogen started creeping up and now I take 0.5mg Anastrozole twice a week. The T, the needles, and the pills are super-cheap; main expense is paying for the lab work.

Great improvement in libido. Only side effect is the zits on the torso and abundant back hair.

My T is now in the 1,000 range and I've never felt better. In retrospect I think I had low T my entire life. Would have started much sooner if I could have.

I lift 4x a week, and I am not sure I'd have the energy for it without TRT. Like you, I am not sure if the increase in muscle and loss of fat is the result of TRT or lifting.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don't mean to rock the apple cart here, but I cannot believe how many mrpers are on trt.

I'd never really heard of it before finding this place.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRT is nothing more than a man ensuring his quality life.

This is exactly the crowd I would expect to be on TRT.

[–]WesternhagenWinner4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

There are doubtless many bluepillers who should be on TRT but don't know it.

[–]mountainbiker1786 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think blue pill and low T are synonymous

[–]simbarlionRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If that's true then hypergamy is just natural selection against low T.

Seems plausible

[–]Acerp3212 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You are taking drugs to reduce your DHT, which is a down the chain result of testosterone. This would the actual hormone most responsible for male traits such as facial hair, Balding, voice deepening, penis growth during puberty, and so on. TERRIBLE idea.

Getting TRT is not going to affect everyone the same way or to the same degree. Some see more of the mental effect. Some see more of the physical. Mileage just varies.

Been on it a few years myself and have done the homework and experimented.

I’d get off the hair drugs, contact a good endo, and run a round of clomid to see if your body can naturally recover first.

TRT is a game changer in life if you really need it. I’ll say that mich.

[–]Landonjo012 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Totally agree with this. I'm on TRT and part of me feels bad for men not on it, part of me doesn't because they're being a pussy about it. Something to be said about having a 700+ test level 24/7. It changes definitely changes you for the better.

[–]Acerp3210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, and that number isn’t necessarily so important as the relief of symptoms. I keep running higher and higher doses with better and better blood work. Did so bc I felt better and doc said ok. Expected crash hdl, increased ldl sand all that. Nope. Just the opposite.

LOTS of ignorant docs though. Very easy to end up feeling like shit b

[–]justpickanyusernameRed Beret2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

I would look into how finasteride (Propecia) interacts with testosterone. It may be saving your hair, but destroying your testosterone.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy


It does not destroy test. Exact opposite. It boosts it.

[–]Acerp3211 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

That’s a new one. Maybe it does with exogenous test? I dunno, but it’s landed a shitload of younger guys on TRT after shutting them down.

[–]hack3geRed Beret1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I've been working unsuccessfully to raise my T naturally mostly because I am too much of a bitch to commit to TRT for the rest of my life.

My T was as low as 225 and is now in the 400s - maybe someday I'll bite the bullet. I did hear there was a good reddit for it /r/steroids with a beginner FAQ.

[–]WesternhagenWinner3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

/r/Testosterone/ is what you want to read.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks couldn’t remember which one it was.

[–]Cam_Winston212 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mine bottomed out at 185 around six years ago. Had an unknown infection that wreaked havoc, plus only slept 5 hrs per night back then, then raised in the 200s for a while, always increasing, have kinda stabilized in the 400s last 2 yrs. Last two years had long conversations with my doc about it ("hey, what if I could raise it to 700?") & he suggested that as long as I have no symptoms of low T, he wouldn't recommend RT while I'm in the 400s. And I have zero symptoms. 51, 6'6", 245 lbs, ~15% BF, been lifting since the Clinton administration, strong (1,200 lb club), lots of energy, libido through the roof, etc.

Been reading that T sub for about 18 months & have talked with some friends who are on it, but I'm going to wait until mine either drops back into the 200s or I see at least one symptom. Don't wanna screw with my body's mechanics when I technically don't have anything wrong. And, honestly, I don't think I want to be even hornier.

I do enjoy reading guys here talking about their experiences, though.

[–]hack3geRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn impressive lifts - almost advanced level without age adjustment so whatever you are doing seems to be working.

[–]NightFire450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is currently good long thread on a person asking about self-TRT with many caveats about being on TRT.

[–]Frosteecat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What's the best way to get this tested? Appointment with a GP?

I'm not overly worried about mine as I'm bald, hairy, muscular and naturally aggressive. As I end my 40's I AM feeling a bit less strong and not as high libido as I used to be--which was pretty damn high so probably "normal" now lol.

I am taking some herbal supplements that certainly help in the libido department but they are fast acting and seem short-term.

[–]WesternhagenWinner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most GPs are dismissive of TRT. Best to go to a specialist or "men's health" clinic.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

39 yo.

My test about 2 weeks ago when I got bloods was 2730

E2 was 70

Fuck yeah.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol is that a cruse?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mini blast.

Cruise is 120mg a week about 1300ngl

[–]suprathepeg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve never used TRT but have done some digging on it.

You’re going to get a wide plethora of opinions on this so you’re best to do you’re own research in depth.

From what I have seen it’s a choice you need to make with a good amount of data. Lately I’ve been watching some vids from Anabolic Doc on YouTube which are informative.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Mine was very low a year ago... 220 range. Got on clomid which helps I think the thyroid to trigger more production. It helped some... got up to 300 didn’t feel any better. My guess is it skyrocketed after dropping weight and lifting and is now 650 ish.

It makes a world of difference having the energy, wanting to do shit (any shit just want to be busy), being assertive, whatever. The only reason I didn’t do injections was it could hurt chances for a kid and I want one more.

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