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Feminist mother forced to take a red pill when her son is the victim of false rape accusations.

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Title Feminist mother forced to take a red pill when her son is the victim of false rape accusations.
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Upvotes 155
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Date January 15, 2014 3:01 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]rapreaper 95 points96 points97 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Instead of criticising her, we should reward and applaud her for seeing the truth. Let our actions speak louder than words in the fight against 3rd wave feminism. If we support her and others like her, and this support becomes big enough, the feminists will eventually shut up.

At least let us not discourage others from telling and being public about the truth.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She is only realizing her errors through solipsism. Now that she has a son being fucked in the ass by the system does she give a flying fuck about anything.

Unfortunately for us there are not enough feminist mothers who's boys get falsely accused of rape to destroy the feminist movement all together.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very similar to calls for Alimony reform now that women are being "victimized" by it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Naw it wont even be close...

Feminist mothers usually bring their boys up so damn beta he'll never touch boob without thinking it's rape.

[–]sentury111 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I posted this same article in their subreddit and it was ignored with 0 comments and 47% positive. Safe to say she isn't getting a book deal anytime soon.

[–]Baridi 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I completely agree. It's impossible to argue with a feminist head on, because they'll quickly resort to either ad hominem if online, physical violence and screaming. Things like this happen, that's the only way they learn, because they simply don't have the life experience to understand how things actually are like.

[–]billnye_theRPguy 40 points41 points42 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It took her own flesh and blood to be a victim convince her that her bullshit is toxic.

[–]Red_Work 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Entirely relevant quote.

[–]RPTAW 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's incredibly true, and scary.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's one of the most cliche quotes of all time. It's also one of the most true ones.

[–]Satchmo84 36 points37 points38 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Am I the only one that thinks that a full on railroading of her son might have helped her realize the severity of it better than a narrow escape?

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly I believe you are correct.

[–]paidthecost 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She still gets it though. A lot of women will get it, as soon as they have sons I believe. A woman's love for their child is something we cannot fathom. It is where female empathy comes strongly into play. They just need to be presented with this type of possibility through articles and anecdotes like this one.

[–]TooMuchToDoo 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My view deviates from yours at the belief that mothers will get it as soon as they have a son. Although I can't vouch for all mothers, I believe that's more likely than not for feministic women to continue on a "noble" quest for women's rights whilst beta-ing their sons, teaching them to become little Dennises. No, I think it takes something special to knock feministic mothers off of their high thrones.

[–]puaSenator 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These tribunals are a joke. My buddy back in college actually ended up going back home overseas because he couldn't take how ridiculous the system was, including how uptight "follow the law by the letter, not the spirit" type people are here.

Basically, there was an RA that hated him vehemently. We never did anything against him, he just didn't like us. I assume it was because we were the frat type that would always have people over in his room while we drank, messed with women, and had a good time -- all within the school guidelines. No rules were ever broken. And frankly, we weren't trying to be dicks. If someone asked us to keep it down, we would. It's not like we were throwing huge parties; it was usually just 5 or so guys playing games, drinking, listening to music and smoking out on the patio. No one had a problem with us except that fucking RA, even the other RAs liked us and would hangout from time to time.

But he still just held a grudge against us. MULTIPLE times he'd enforce a room search because he suspected marijuana. A good handful of these times they included police searches. Not a single time was a single prohibited substance discovered. It was getting ridiculous. This guy would just make up that he smelled weed so he had an excuse to search us. Fucking little prick just loved abusing his power. I bet he's a cop now.

Anyways, eventually one day we are all in his room, not even drinking ready to go out to some party down the street. Then here comes little Napoleon knocking on the door telling us to keep the music down. Mind you, it's 8 and it's in our full right to have it as loud as possible. But we didn't want to cause a scene so we obliged and turned it down. But the truth is, he wasn't really here about the music, he was just hoping he could get the door open and find us partying so he could bust us with something.

But there was nothing. We weren't doing shit other than listening to music and bullshitting before we went out. But the fucker looks into the room and asks to see what's in the trash. It had a good 4 empty beer bottles from the night before. But we soon discovered that empty bottles implied drinking was occurring and since one person in the room was underage, that means we were all contributing to his delinquencies. WTF? Yeah, that happened.

So we are just all pissed, but who fucking cares. Move on with our lives. Even though there is no proof we were drinking, the school is retarded and those are the dumbass rules. So we go out and party and come back at around 1 am.

Maybe 5 minutes after getting back to his room, we get a knock on the door. It's the little fucker again saying he smells weed, and has cops with him to search the room. (I'm telling you, this RA is just like an asshole cop. He just keeps pressing and pressing because he knows eventually you'll slip. I imagine he chose this time after the party because he'd assume my buddy would most likely have weed on him.)

Cops search, find nothing. During the discussion with the cops my buddy knew his legal rights and admitted, yeah I smoked pot sometime today, like 4 hours ago off campus at someone elses house. I'm not even high any more.

BOOM! I hear the little fucker walk out of the room telling his RA friend, "I got him! I finally got him! I knew it would happen eventually! I got him!"

So, we later found out in the tribunal that you aren't even allowed to be high on campus. Because being high on campus implies that you may have had drugs on campus. Even though there was no evidence, and he wasn't even high anymore, they charged him with having pot on campus.

This lead to him getting a 7 day eviction notice from the dorms, and placed under academic probation.

He said fuck that, dropped his classes, and moved back to London.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why this even exists.

If you have enough of a case to get the college involved, it should be enough to stand up in a court of justice.

The idea that colleges need to police morals in place of the state is laughable. They should absolutely be able to use the state's own judgements (and yes, I am aware that the state likes to engage in kangaroo trials and is a joke, but what does that make these college tribunals?) for their own means, but to imply they have standing to investigate it themselves is.....

Lets just say I'm surprised they haven't gotten buried in court. Probably relies on these being private institutions. And in that sense I'd really avoid private colleges. Nine tenths of the working world won't give a crap where you went to college, let alone your GPA. And in the cases where folks do, it's not a huge setback. The big 3 might overlook your law degree from a state school but so what?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Schools only need 'preponderance of the evidence' which is to say its possible he could have, where courts require 'beyond a reasonable doubt' which is much more stringent. Courts need far more proof, but a school can decide based on the possibility despite any factual evidence. Makes it easier in he said - she said, because the man can always be guilty.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The man is always guilty, the woman is always the victim. Of course they will continue and expell the man, we need more women in schools anyway so for the school its a win-win.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The school will always do what they can to limit their legal liabilities. This is bad for both parties. If a guy gets a false accusation, he's expelled. If a rape actually happened, the rapist should go to jail, but that isn't going to happen either because the school doesn't want their rape statistics going up. They'll make it be sexual harassment instead and expel the rapist who may go on to rape other people.

I don't get why schools are allowed to do this. If assault and battery happens, the real police typically get involved and the real courts get involved. Rape accusations should be the same.

[–]QueenSpicy 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If someone came up to me with an accusation of this kind, I would laugh in their face. Given that this woman is a lawyer, it seems she is just crying out for attention for her son. This is more of an attention whoring piece than actual journalism. It is great she is actually using her brain, and sees that favoring women in crimes could lead to trouble of them making shit up. But being a lawyer, she should and probably does know that no harm can be done to him without tangible proof that he had done anything. He said she said stuff is a joke at best, and you just counter-sue with defamation of character, trust me, she will back down.

3rd wave feminism is out of control. They can't stand the idea of a rapist slipping through the cracks; but are completely fine with someone making it up abusing the cracks in the system. Law isn't emotional, and it shouldn't take shit happening to a person for them to understand or empathize all possible outcomes.

[–]ObeseRedPill9 points 12 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember when this first happened and I read it. I was more enraged then then I am now, it's kind of sad that I've become desensitized to these stories since then for how often I hear similar cases. For anyone going in to college, it's something to be mindful of but don't let it run your life. While I wouldn't say these shouldn't be a concern, they're still rare enough that you can make smart choices and you should be able to avoid situations with the girls who would do this.

[–]econ664 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that this tale should serve as a warning to people in college. Not just in terms of false rape allegations, but the way that the "justice" systems they have in place operate.

It's not just elite Ivy League schools that have these unconstitutional tribunals. This exact same thing happened to me but on a drunk in public charge at a big public college.

Long story short, I was arrested, but had the charge thrown out in district court because it was an illegal search. The judge didn't think the officers observance of me warranted a search.

You think the university tribunal gave a shit? At my "trial" I argued that they should respect the constitution. Too bad, they said, and found me guilty based on a preponderance of illegally obtained evidence.

This shit can happen to you, and there really isn't anything you can do about it, because fuck your rights.

[–]Drfuzzyballs1 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

If the tribunal finds you guilty even though there was no evidence, is it possible to sue the school for defamation?

[–]econ664 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, maybe you could sue for damages related to your loss of a degree, since it is a public university. The way they have it set up under state law they pretty much give the university free reign. I don't think any lawyer would take that case. In my opinion, if it was legally possible, someone would have done it already.

[–]FugitiveAlpha 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel bad for her son, he probably listened to her feminist BS and had no idea how evil women CAN BE (note: i didn't say they ARE evil).

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Unbridled feminist orthodoxy is no more the answer than are attitudes and policies that victimize the victim."

Congratulations, Ms. Grossman. You're no longer a feminist.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sadly, every radical feminist out there, except for the author if this article, thinks that her son should have been expelled and had his life ruined, and that it's a travesty of justice that his lawyer mother got him out of trouble.

"Most people don't get accused of rape. If he got accused, he must have done something wrong." That's their standard of proof. If woman was "violated" enough (e.g., angry) to say something, then something wrong was done and the man needs to fry.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Most people don't get accused of rape. If he got accused, he must have done something wrong."

That's not just a woman's standard of proof. A lot of dickhead white knights have this mentality as well.

Ran into an ex-gf at a club a couple of years ago. She punched me twice in the face and I was the one who got thrown out. As the bouncers were escorting me out one of them said, "You must have done something to cause her to hit you."

Mother fuckers like that need to be strung up by their balls.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

this isn't quite relevant, but guys in college need to understand that it's literally a crime to have sex with a girl who has taken any amount of drugs or alcohol. guys in college need to know that once you have sex with another classmate, she can get you kicked out of college on a whim. don't take any chances with classmates. refuse to have sex with them if they have been drinking or drugging.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or the women can say, months later when toxicology tests are imposible, that they had been drinking or on drugs.

[–]cwm44 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, because backing down is the answer.

[–]DougFurries 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What if I have been drinking too? Can't I just fire back and say I was also raped?

[–]notseriouslyserious 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Silly redditor, only women can be raped. /s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One would think so. My friend is a lawyer that represents typical high school /college charges (underage drinking, marijuana, statutory rape, consent/rape cases) and this defense does not fly at all. She is in court prosecuting you. The defense "but she did X" is completely irrelevant. If she raped you and you raped her (somehow), the fact that she raped you is irrelevant if we are in court for you raping her. When you are being tried for committing a crime, the prosecutor is making his case against you. You are not making a case against her - you are being defended against her accusation. For example, if a 15 year old boy gets a 19 year old girl drunk and they have sex, the 19 year old girl could probably sue him for rape. Yes, she is guilty of statutory rape because he is not old enough to consent, but that is not the issue at hand. Which is crazy, but such is the legal system.

Of course, it would never get to this stage, because you're legal advisor would tell you not to use that defense, because men can't get raped in the eyes of society (and the law in some states where rape is defined by penetration without consent).

[–]fattzilla 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Karma is a cruel bitch

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mother is as RPW as it gets, 2 sons, captain/first mate relationship with my father, etc. My younger brother was falsely accused of rape before the charges were dropped, but it certainly took a toll on him and my mother - both are now extremely untrusting of women, because of the power they have to destroy lives with that dreaded 4 letter word.

As Bill Burr would say, I think the rapists out there that prey on girls and destroy their minds and lives should be buried under the fucking prison. But now we've got that out of the way, can we just admit how much more power one woman has over one man when it comes to the law?

No one takes examples of sexual abuse or domestic violence on men seriously, but as soon as it's a man abusing a woman, the torches and pitchforks are out regardless of the verdict of innocence or guilt. It's shocking how unequal things are with regards to this and it should be addressed.

My brother could have had his life completely destroyed because a girl was embarrassed that she had sex with him. What a sickening thought.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm amazed anything from the "real world" was able to pierce her feminist indoctrination/solipsim.

In any event, fuck that bitch. The shoe is just a little tight when on the other foot, eh?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's entirely the wrong attitude to have. Yes, waking up to understand something that was very dear to you is misguided is painful, and it needs to be so to truly change you. That's why we talk about the Red Pill hurting; it's a very similar thing. If you believe that you can simply say "fuck her, got mine" about RP knowledge then this sub becomes a literal circlejerk as the point is now no longer to spread the ideas but to chortle at how badly other people feel, and that is called hamstering.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My point, which you completely missed, was that what she fought for her whole life, I.e. feminism, came back know to bite her in the ass. Not a drop of hampstering, reread the sidebar before lecturing people.

[–]notseriouslyserious 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not surprising. Just like that anti-gay politician who did a 180 when him son came out. They will hold to their agenda until it actually affect them personally.

[–]1spicy_fries -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you white-knighting for the pink team?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he is pink knighting for the white team?

[–]jolly--roger -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

article from April 16, 2013 and trust me, it's already been here (my memory serves).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The internet is a TV with five hundred billion channels. We didn't all see the same movie last night.

[–]jolly--roger 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you mean.. all those years I could have just switched a channel?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She took a fat red pill suppository

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once more: Solipsism. She just can't see wrong she is, until she experiences it herself.

[–]SomersetRaglan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The injustice here is somewhat more palatable when one considers the American higher education institution as a private corporation. They have to do things to shore up PR like anyone else.

The answer? Don't go to college, and just start up your own company like Bill Gates did. Problem solved.

I'm being somewhat sarcastic, this is definitely something that needs to be fixed. But until it is, remember that if you are a college student, you're really just at work. Treat it as such. If you decide to shit where you work, make sure you bang the chicks so well they have no reason to press charges against you. Avoid women in relationships.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Baridi -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Title should read:

"Delusional feminist comes to find out that her views about how the world works are unrealistic!"

It's amazing how they put themselves in their own bubble and surround themselves with like-minded people. People outside of their viewpoint become faceless, and just someone to regurgitate the same misinformed tripe they read on forums. Once that bubble bursts and they get a taste of their own medicine, this happens.

...and it tickles me in a way that is illegal in 38 states.

[–]CptDefB -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

3/4ths down, she states that she is an attorney.

How. Did. She. Not. See. This. Coming?

When it comes to what kind of work men and women should be allowed to have, I'm pretty lenient. I acknowledge that there are many women out there, capable of things that would stun a crowd of men. However, this woman makes a very bad case women in her field. The fact that she could staunchly support it from the beginning, selfishly ignoring the consequences till they arrived on her doorstep... boooooooo.

I'm glad this happened. Yay for her Red Pill moment. I saw the title and grinned... too good to be true, with a side of fuck you.

[–]sentury111 -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The solution is simple. Suspend the accused until charges are followed through on. Wait for the verdict, If found innocent the accused should be able to file charges.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Suspend the accused until charges are followed through on

What the fuck??? Suspend the accused?? So what happens to that semester of college then should he be proven innocent?? Especially if this shit goes down after official drop dates? Reimbursed? Classes removed from transcript so it doesn't negatively impact his transcript?

I hope you are being facetious.

until charges are followed through on

And how long is that exactly?

[–]sentury111 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Better than being expelled. At least it gives the accused a chance. But I think you missed the point. Unless you prefer the current situation where they are expelled.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a reasonable solution but I guess the point isn't to mete out justice.

[–]sentury111 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course ideally you would keep all parties anonymous and let the evidence stand on it's own merit. Keep the feelings and emotions out of the trial. For sentencing, let the victim describe their pain and/or loss. This way there is not that much to worry about in regards to getting ruined if you were to be kept anonymous.

It's hard to come up with the perfect solution. But it's obvious that change needs to happen.

[–]rorrr -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would've showed up with a lawyer. If they didn't let him in, I would've just left and threaten to sue if they thought of kicking me out.

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