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Guy looking for love on Craigslist. First assumed he'd just be another beta for surfing there, but the more you read the more you're pleasantly surprised. (post from TBP; you know it's gold if they're complaining bout it)

Zackcid

September 20, 2013
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Title Guy looking for love on Craigslist. First assumed he'd just be another beta for surfing there, but the more you read the more you're pleasantly surprised. (post from TBP; you know it's gold if they're complaining bout it)
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Zackcid

Upvotes 7
Comments 48
Date September 20, 2013 3:28 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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[–]3MinuteHero 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This isn't a very good example. It's too stiff. He gets high marks for asserting dominance and displaying value, but I don't think he's going to produce any sort of chemistry. This is the sort of dude that gets played while he's at work, and consequently, produces a hole in the theory. There is one very important question you need to ask yourself: do you see this guy sitting and laughing with a girl? Do you see the girl having anything near what you could call fun? Don't just fall back on the maybe answer, just judge him on what he's put forth. Because I could see a woman being very miserable being with this man, even if she is provided for.

[–]no_game_player 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think you've got a solid point. As I learned when I tried to launch a premium freelance software consultancy, marketing doesn't mean you just get to say what you want and then people come rushing to provide it. You have to actually offer something attractive.

Apart from calling himself a gentleman and "good" man and owning a home, etc., he's not exactly putting himself out there.

I mean, best of luck to him and all, certainly seems like he knows what he wants, but as you point out, it's not clear he has something to offer.

Buuuut, no harm in posting.

[–]3MinuteHero 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah no harm. I'm sure it will be a learning experience. But I think he's making the same huge mistake that a lot of women make in that they think what they're saying matters more than how, when, and why they're saying it. The biggest improvement I ever made to myself was learning to infer information from those three qualities in any message, and in that order.

[–]no_game_player 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeppers. He's got the content that he wants down, great, good for him. Like you said, good learning experience. Now he needs to learn how to present it, and where to present it.

'Cause I also don't think the women he's looking for are browsing Craigslist personal ads, but that's just my guesstimate. Some people seem to have had at least mild success with it, so maybe?

[–]3MinuteHero 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You wanna know what I get from this guy, buried real deep in all that text? Fear, desperation, and exhaustion.

Fear. A 25 question FAQ with I'd say about 15 of them having to do directly with him trying to prevent situations in which he has to make compromises after meeting someone and perhaps hitting it off. He is afraid of having to say "no", he is afraid of having to assert himself in person, and he is afraid of getting stuck with a woman whose behaviors he has no idea how to modify, should the need arise. Most of all, he is afraid of himself and his own emotions.

Desperation. It's not the effort. I'll never bash someone for putting effort behind something they care about. It's the kind of detail. They aren't the same thing. This guy is trying to guess every little problem that could arise and attempting to filter them out via an electronic screening process that works in a semi-automatic way. The counter-argument, of course, is that he doesn't have any more time for games and wants to just get to the point. Fair enough, but what he is wishing for is his version of a perfect woman to fall into his lap, all from an internet ad. He went in looking for something unrealistic, funneled all his time into producing content while apparently completely neglecting to research the medium that content is transmitted in or the likely audience that receives it. That's desperate.

Exhaustion. His ridiculous specificity indicates he's been through some shit, or been very close to some romantic disasters. If he was the one who experienced it first-hand, the two most likely things I can think of are: 1.) He had a string of unfulfilling LTRs, or 2.) He has one MAJOR LTR that crumbled apart and devastated him.

It's not a Red Pill example in my opinion. However I can't really call this a Blue Pill example, either. He certainly isn't acting the way society tells him to. This guy falls right into a hole in the theory.

[–]no_game_player 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you've got a great read of it. All of which, whether someone consciously reads all that into it or not, contributes to the basic "is he fun" type of question for "even if your ideal woman sees some or all of this, will she actually contact you".

Totally reminds me of my (failed) attempt at advertising. In earlier drafts, I had a lot of similar "defensive language" which one of my copyeditors pointed out was rather off-putting. You can't respond to a few jerks by shouting to everyone "don't do this, and don't do that and don't do that".

Sort of reminds me of the logic that people will forget the "not" and so you shouldn't give "don't A" but instead "do B". He could have shortened this to a fourth or less of the length and made it all positive spins. Like rather than all of that spew about people not being willing to travel, you just assume and talk about their willingness to travel. And that they live within the same region. Etc.

I agree about it not being a clear-cut red/blue thing. People new to this sub often want to make everything a simple alpha/beta red/blue analysis. Life is generally shades of grey. (Oh god, that stupid fucking book has ruined that phrase, hasn't it? ...ignore that)

This guy just doesn't have much game.

[–]3MinuteHero 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely agree. And this:

made it all positive spins

would've made all the difference in the world.

[–]ThePacketSlinger 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, it seems like he's trying to eliminate the large majority of women reading it so as to not waste time on someone he's not interested in. So MAYBE!

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone imaginative enough to come up with this ad is going to be lots of fun.

[–]1Zackcid[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm aware of that. It's like he lacks a human essence. But regardless of that, he displayed certain traits that are indeed TRP. He doesn't have to be a perfect alpha though.

[–]Modredpillschool 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy quotation mark abuse.

[–]1Zackcid[S] 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what it is. Is it the fact that he's so blunt, straight to the point. Or is it the fact that he implies pre-selection with all of his standards for women? One example of a TRP line:

16) Question: I like to be "spoiled" and I want to know how much you are going to spend on me. How much?

Answer: You sound like a gold-digger or prostitute. My headline says "Gentleman" or "Professional" it doesn't say $ATM$ Machine. If you are looking for an ATM Machine to finance and "spoil" yourself look somewhere else.

I ended up loving this guy!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This has been posted here before.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't like re-posts ether, but this sort of lays out some things you should look for in/expect of a woman. Its helpful for me and probably at least interesting for other people

[–]watersign 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is pretty funny. craigslist is the dregss of society

[–]pcadrian 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy is so awesome, I wanna message him.

[–]blzd4dyz 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This "guy" must be a "LAWYER," with all the "disclaimers" AND "rules" he puts forth.

You know the "ladies" love a "MAN" who can write an air-tight "contract." I'm surprised that "HE" didn't add a "space" for them to "SIGN AT THE BOTTOM" of the "page."

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see much in there that is offensive. He stated what he wants and said if you don't fit the criteria then don't bother. I'm guessing the only reason TBP finds it offensive is because they know he'd reject their bitchiness and not even respond to their email.

[–]Pushnikov 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's doing too much filtering too soon.

He's basically being lazy. He wants the girls to filter themselves. An FAQ is great and works well (from experience). Yes, he's frustrated, and I don't know the LA CL scene, but either he is getting such a ridiculous amount of CL mail that he has to pre-filter the shit out of it, or he's going to unattract his primary attraction. Any girl that is "whatever the fuck he wants" probably is going to stop pretty early on because she knows she has value as well. And he's not really presenting the idea that his value is so high that she needs to sit through a 30 topic FAQ to get what she really wants.

At one point I was thinking it's a scam to get peoples personal info and pictures. No Reasonable CL responder is going to give all that on the first email. "Pic, name, etc, etc". You know how easy it is to identify someone with just a name OR a Photo. You typically don't need either to just run a few google searches to find what you want on someone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to guess he will get a shit ton of automated spam and no replies from real women. I posted what was essentially a much shorter and less confrontational version of this ad, and that's what happened. (See below.)


As the title says, I'm looking for someone whom I can take home to mother. To be more clear, I'm looking for a woman in whom it will be worth my while to become invested emotionally, financially, and otherwise, over the course of many years. I live in [city], [state], but I am by no means restricting my search to the local area. These are some attributes that meet my definition of wife material. If you meet these criteria, then you probably understand why these are my criteria. If you don't understand them, or if you disagree with them, then I'm probably not interested in anything you have to say.

  • Age 18 to 25
  • Slender, feminine, and pretty
  • No tattoos or body piercings
  • Not a party hound or drug user (including long-term prescription pain medications or tranquilizers)
  • Has not slept with more than 3 other men
  • Never married, no children from a previous relationship
  • Has domestic skills, or is willing to learn them
  • Will put our children ahead of career goals and personal fulfillment
  • A one-man woman who will stand by her man and make him proud

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[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Who wants to date an old bag?

[–]qstnnblmtrl 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Don't feed the trolls

[–][deleted] 12 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–]throwaway-o 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can admit that this behavior IS acceptable to TRP community, but you cannot argue that it is deemed normal or acceptable by most of the population.

Sucks to be the rest of the population, I guess. I know numerous men in their forties who fuck 18 year olds, and they report it's bliss. And, contrary to your inadequacy-fueled bitching, it's perfectly fine.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a member of society, I don't care if older men fuck younger women.

[–]throwaway-o 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trolling.

Yeah you are. You're ridiculing people's preferences and passing judgment, and you're trolling.

[–]Mitchell78 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who cares what acceptable (politically correct) in mainstream society.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only those who profit from PC protections (older women jealous of younger women, for example)

[–]throwaway-o 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is likely why he's posting anonymously on craigslist rather than driving in his windowless van to high schools and junior colleges looking for fresh meat. He'd get chased away by furious parents wielding baseball bats.

Ah, nice, the ol' defamatory (and entirely false) implication that fucking 18 year olds is equivalent in reprehensibility to raping preteens and early high school teens.

Sure makes you seem like you're trolling.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I never said raping. I never said preteens or early high school teens. I said high schools and junior colleges, which is where most 18 year olds are.

Nice straw man.

[–]throwaway-o 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Straw man", says the troll.

[–]iseeyou1312 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, it's not a societal norm (according to you) and you don't approve of it, no one better do it then....

Fuck off.

[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual Strategy is amoral, and thank god for that.

[–]3trplurker 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He's not even willing to date someone his own age.

Why in the fucking world would any successful, mature, established man want to date harpy's that either couldn't find a man or refused to find a man to marry? I sure as hell wouldn't and I'd give a high five to any man I see with a much younger women.

[–]qstnnblmtrl 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't feed the trolls

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

it is ok to date 18 year olds.

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[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

once you turn 24 it becomes creepy

define creepy.

Let me guess: "doing things that are creepy"

Seriously, when you use a word like that, that means whatever you want it to mean, you aren't really arguing for your cause. You might as well be saying "just because."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

i shit on that formular. if i meet an 18 year old chick and like her and she is attracted to me as well, we will do what WE want to do, as adults, and you can go fuck yourself.

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[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Code...fuck.. Code all of them

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

an 18 year old doesnt need permission as she is an adult. its only her and my decision. and society doesnt frown upon it actualy.

those who have a problem with it are simply jealous.

[–]iseeyou1312 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The oldest age disparity I personally know of is a 21 year old female marrying a 53 year old man (in Western society). I better go tell them that your formula doesn't approve of their relationship, I guess they'll break things off after that.

[–]Mitchell78 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that shit, wanting to fuck/date 18-27 year olds is what all men want regardless of their own age.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol guess you didn't read it all the way. He specifically mentioned that he doesn't want a woman under the control of parents, siblings, etc. Nice job.

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