How to develop commanding, masculine frame/voice/presence?

WIA20XX · 2019-04-27T10:26:23+00:00

Acting class and/or therapy.

If this is a legit technical problem, you are just being yourself. And your natural inclinations are not tuned to what is necessary. You don't know how to communicate your actual thoughts and feelings through body language, tone, pace, etc.

Women in the work place often complain about people not listening to them, but the work place rewards the confident person that is loud and wrong, and punishes those who are equivocal and hedging but right. A good acting class will help you express to others, CONVICTION in what you are saying.

If it's not a legit problem, therapy will help you work out your perceived inadequacy.

triiiiiple · 2019-04-27T09:57:00+00:00

One way that helped me a bit even though I'm struggling with the same thing is just talking to lot of women and analyzing the most probable mistakes you did if you didn't get laid.

DerpJungler · 2019-04-27T12:40:03+00:00

3 things:

Lift and practice confidence while at the gym. (you already do that so stay on it)
Read books, listen to podcasts of people with expertise and practice the theories. "The Rational Male" (Rolo Tomassi) is the fundamental of RP imo. "The Game" (Neil Strauss) is a fun book that gives a lot of lessons on PUA side of the RP. Learn about "Cold approach", how to act like an "alpha" and how to game women in general.
Most important thing: PRACTICE. Don't be afraid to approach and get rejected. Every rejection is a valuable lesson. Keep approaching and practice your game and your confidence. Practice posture, body language, rapport and your communicational skills.

TL;DR: Lift, Read, Practice, Repeat.

Get out of your comfort zone and you'll get there.

terpredpill · 2019-04-27T17:08:57+00:00

Watch the TV show Mad Men

boredathome19 · 2019-04-27T10:05:40+00:00

Never had that problem. Maybe try to actively watch what you say and stop asking girls to do something. Just tell them. The girl im fucking just recently told me it makes her horny when I just say "get up" because of the way I say it.

damaged_goods420 · 2019-04-27T12:52:05+00:00

800mg of test e a week lmao

Reprimanded_Duck · 2019-04-27T10:49:58+00:00

Testosterone boosters. Smile more. Sing in a low pitch while driving or by yourself. Practice good posture and body language.

cluelessguitarist · 2019-04-27T16:08:23+00:00

I have a theory, by doing continuos uncomfortable activities such as sparring(kickboxing,bjj) and lifting will automatically change your demeanor, i find talking to a group of girls way easier than taking punches to the face,by practicing doing uncomfortable things my masculine frame is pretty high must days(unless i smoke or drink that just fucks my game a little bit but not by much). Throw yourself into the chaos and you will come as a different man.

staticrain2 · 2019-04-27T17:22:18+00:00

Stop watching pornography and don't fap. This will accumulate your "manlyness" and give you a deeper voice and confidence.

tee0005 · 2019-04-27T17:54:03+00:00

A book called "31 days of masculinity" is good. From this book I read about the validation and how most men tone their masculinity because of pressure from a feminised society. In other words being soft spoken and timid. This is not a Masculine frame. I had to work on my voice, how loud and the tone of what I was projecting. The book is really good at working on these issues.

goatenciusmaximus · 2019-04-27T19:18:02+00:00

I had the same problem, now I think I may be starting to change it but I'm yet to see if I'm gonna have more success with women. A few things I have started doing are:

1- keep your back straight and your chin slightly tilted upwards every time you're standing/walking, if you're sitted stay in a military posture or in a very relaxed manspreading one.

2-learn not to care about what people think of you, not care if you have offended someone etc, you're not a jerk if people think you are fuck them, keep reminding yourself of that everytime.

3-Do not apologize unless you accidentally committed a mistake.

4-Do not ask permission if you don't have to. Don't say let me see it, say show me, don't say may I have one, say give me one.

5-stop watching porn, it helps to boost your confidence a lot.

This is what I've been doing and I feel way more confident, I've started college a few months ago and everyone is nice and tries to be friends with me, nobody disrespects me and I never felt so confident for taking to women.

greenwaffulz · 2019-04-27T21:26:00+00:00

I used to be the GOOFIEST guy with women, and didn't have a masculine frame at all. What I personally did to develop a strong masculine frame is to speak less but communicate more with sub communications. That would translate to giving a teasing smirk vs. saying a joke, or holding intense eye contact vs building tension via touching or talking. As far as voice goes, we already know that talking in a neutral to breaking rapport voice makes you seem more authoritative, no need to overdo the breaking rapport voice (when your voice pitch goes down on each sentence) otherwise it seems forced or you just seem like an asshole but definitely NO trying for rapport voice (when your voice goes up at the end of a sentence like you are asking a question).

Results: Once I started implementing these techniques I found that people saw me in a completely different manner. Before when I was the "goofy/fun" guy, women would always say "I can't take you seriously" and deep down they didn't respect me, I'd get a lot of positive reactions but I would get alot of shit tests and would have a hard time keeping women submissive. When I started to speak less, talk in the right tone and use a lot more eye contact, sure I did get pegged as a "serious guy" but on the flip side women I'd hook up with were way more submissive and invested a lot more in the relationship than I did because I was creating that vacuum.

Quick addition: I saw another comment I definitely agree with on here. Find a leadership role if you can. When you are in a position of power you naturally take on these qualities and develop more of that leader, masculine presence.

tyrannosaurus_fl3x · 2019-04-27T14:59:18+00:00

So this is something that sounds weird, but is an actual technique to work to deepen your voice, singers and actors do this to warm up and train.

Look straight up. Then say "King Kong" "Ding Dong". When doing it stretch out the NG sound. You could use any phrase that's short like those, that ends in NG. What happens is that by tipping your head back you stretch your vocal cords out, then the NG sound is deep and vibrates the cords stretching them out. This temporarily serves to deepen your voice.

Do that and practice talking in a natural deep voice. It will eventually become natural for you to have the deeper voice. When I say a natural deep voice, I mean like your voice but a little deeper. You want to keep developing this in your free time. Practice using this slightly deeper voice until it becomes natural. Overtime your voice will become deeper.

PM_ME_CHILL_MUSIC · 2019-04-27T09:57:25+00:00

Read The Domination Principle, you will get all your answers from that book

resnine · 2019-04-27T13:42:51+00:00

Toastmasters class, acting class, singing class, stand-up class. Basically anything that forces you to get up in front of a large group of people. This will develop your masculine frame, voice, and presence.

slayer_in_midst · 2019-04-27T16:44:23+00:00

You need to command leadership. You should have such an effect on people, they be like damn this guy is a boss

For eg be the captain of football team, president of some club in college.

Roles which put you in position of giving orders and excel in it.

slappysq · 2019-04-27T14:41:27+00:00

Lift.

lifeisweirdasfuck · 2019-04-27T15:59:00+00:00

Visualization.

Visualize yourself speaking how you desire to speak. All this in your mind.

Read Psychocybernetics.

eptx10 · 2019-04-27T17:07:07+00:00

Read higher status by Jason Capital, goes really deep into that

User-31f64a4e · 2019-04-27T17:32:25+00:00

The root issue is how you feel about yourself.

You have started to change that, with more confidence. Kudos.

Frame is largely about point of reference. When you don't hold frame, you may have made the error of caring what unimportant people think.

Alternatively, you may think that the "rules" of social interaction are other than they really are. For example, you may feel put "on the spot" by questions. Feeling obliged to answer questions is submissiveness. Do you feel like it's OK to be disrespectful? An alpha does. Do you feel that it is OK to get what YOU want, and not care who objects? If not, you might not be an actual Alpha.

Low status males constantly worry about offending others, because that can bring ostracism, punishment, all sorts of consequences down on them. Weak men are always nice guys, hoping against hope that they never upset anyone and so avoid wrath.

If you can't hold frame, then while you may be confident enough to be an "everyday Joe" delta male (per [this scale]()), you are still not willing to be dominant. Make no mistake, holding frame is dominating other people, pushing them around in conversation.

Don't work on gimmicks, memorized lines, and so on. All of that is posturing. Eventually people see through it - frame is broken. Instead, the clever repartee will come naturally and automatically once you truly don't give a fuck about any discomfort you cause by dominating others. The state of not being intimidated will also free your mind to be more clever, and to just out and out say what you think at times.

Does all of that sound sociopathic? In a way it is, but keep in mind that dominate is not a synonym for injure or abuse or bully. That might be true on the playground in third grade, but as an adult, things are different. A true Alpha is the boss. He takes control, but he also takes responsibility. The welfare of his charges becomes (at least in part) his responsibility, as he takes on authority and makes decisions.

tl;dr - Forget gimmicks, work on your attitudes about other people.

HurricaneHugues · 2019-04-28T00:35:13+00:00

Lift to build a strong physical frame. Practice productive hobbies to build a strong personal frame. Read books to build a strong mental frame. Practice leading others wheber you can to build leadership frame over time.

It doesn't happen overnight. You will gradually build your leadership qualities by practicing.

masterpiece00 · 2019-04-27T14:28:12+00:00

Wait till you are over 35 and women see you that way, if you put on some act people will see right through it and cringe.

319Skew · 2019-04-27T12:31:16+00:00

Join the army. I'm serious.

CuntarianOverlord · 2019-04-27T13:24:33+00:00

It’s not something you can developer I was born with it voice is influenced by the amount of testosterone affecting your vocal cords during puberty posture as imo is the only one oft hear that can be faked

Title	How to develop commanding, masculine frame/voice/presence?
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The root issue is how you feel about yourself.

tl;dr - Forget gimmicks, work on your attitudes about other people.