Ideologies are guaranteed to be wrong

wtknight · 2018-04-01T13:04:35+00:00

Blue Pill mainstream thinking has its own "ideology" too with its own terms. We just don't think of them every day because it's just the typical language that humans use on a day by day basis. It's impossible to live life without an ideology of some kind. If we tried to make all of our decisions by thinking everything through from every possible perspective that we could think of we would all suffer from "analysis paralysis" and never actually do anything.

Entropy-7 · 2018-04-01T14:25:13+00:00

Economics, demographics and evolution are ideologies? They have their own lingo and claim to explain an awful lot. Whooda thought?

"The art of the good life". Hmm. Seems to explain a lot.

"Opinion volcano". Has its own lingo too.

lotteryroll · 2018-04-02T05:13:01+00:00

This is spot on and exactly what I've been thinking for a while. The social word is so incredibly nuanced and complex. The leftist Marxist lens has some important things to say, as does a more "red-pilled", evolutionarily framed view of the world. It's about finding the middle-ground, striking the balance between yin and yang, so we don't veer off into the extremes on either end, because we know nothing good comes of that.

Of course, commitment to ideology and dogma is so much more convenient and appealing, especially in the age of social media and echo chambers. Jordan Peterson gets a lot of flack, but the biggest reason I enjoy his work is because he strongly advocates for personal responsibility in order to free ourselves from the shackles of ideology.

That said, I'm not even sure if it's ever entirely possible, because our attachment to our identity is so salient in forming our opinions and worldviews. Peterson himself is definitely an ideologue, so idek what to think lol.

newName543456 · 2018-04-02T22:45:26+00:00

If there are two ideologies with contradictory stances on any binary issue, by definition one of them must be right.

So simple logic renders opening statement invalid.

Regardless, TRP isn't an ideology, but a praxeology. It stems from observing as well as trying out specific approaches IRL. If these were just random musings of a few keyboard jockeys, they would be quickly called out on being wrong and flushed into oblivion, as actually happens frequently on TRP sub, when guys who barely "swallow the pill" get shot down by veterans.

Electra_Cute · 2018-04-01T15:04:31+00:00

In “The art of the good life”, accomplished author Rolf Dobelli has one tool in his toolkit to a good life, that is, avoiding ideologies.

This sounds a lot like an ideology to me.

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oihaoerhg · 2018-04-01T17:48:21+00:00

If you're taking a pragmatic approach, it's important to have a predictive model. It might be an oversimplification, but it would be too hard to take every single little thing into account when it comes to seducing a woman.

daveofmars · 2018-04-01T21:43:39+00:00

Whether you call it an ideology or not, we all need a systematic framework with how we process reality. Sometimes, that system needs particular words to describe concepts, otherwise how can anyone explain anything?

I get what you're saying because there are plenty of ideologies out there and plenty of them are toxic so you should be skeptical of them, but don't be the guy who's so anti-ideology that they end up creating an empty framework which prevents them from conceptualizing anything.

[deleted] · 2018-04-02T04:29:37+00:00

This post is just a large pitcher of philosophical self-help koolaid.

Whether or not you use or do not use ideologies does not determine whether or not something is true or not true.

Because a TRPer follows an ideology does not mean he will or will not get laid more.

When you feel you could argue their points as eloquently as them, you have earned your opinion.

Again, no earns or dis-earns their opinions. Opinions are validated based on one's own mind.

If I think or feel that having sex with a hooker is very pleasurable, arguing with 5 anti-sex work feminists does not change this way I feel.

ta1901 · 2018-04-02T18:02:10+00:00

Let me assume and ideology is a person's view of an ideal situation. Over the past 100 years there have been many ideologies: socialism, communism, etc but there often seems to be an extremist component to them. And extremism doesn't normally work well with me.

TheGreasyPole · 2018-04-01T15:25:44+00:00

He also mentions avoiding what he calls an “opinion volcano” (something we here are also guilty of). He advises that you should be so sparing with you opinions that you should imagine you were invited on live TV to defend your opinion, with five people who had the opposite opinion. When you feel you could argue their points as eloquently as them, you have earned your opinion.

Looks like I’m in the clear then. Woo Hoo!

In “The art of the good life”, accomplished author Rolf Dobelli has one tool in his toolkit to a good life, that is, avoiding ideologies.

Then he’s a moron. Ideologies are just systems for thinking about the world. If he’s ignoring all of them he’s ignoring about 70% of all human knowledge and 99% of our understanding of how the world works.

I tend to agree that one shouldn’t necessarily believe what an ideology says just because it says it and you think that ideology is “flawless”. They’re all flawed in one way or another. You should not blindly follow an ideology.

The skill lies in using them when and where they are appropriate. You won’t get far understanding money and investments and other things relevant to humans without understanding economics.

You won’t get far understanding human social behaviour without genetics and psychology.

You won’t get far understanding wars without military strategy.

These are all “ideologies” the way the word is defined. The correct way is to use them all in their place, and with appropriate skepticism and common sense in their application.

Anyone ignoring all ideologies just will never understand how the world works. It’s (as he says) too complicated for any one person to work out all on his lonesome, so we use judiciously the thousands of years of accumulated wisdom of millions of other smart people to give us that required bootstrap up. That involves using and applying ideologies.... or you will spend all your life just reinventing the wheel literally.

As in actually reinventing wheels.

It sounds to me as if Rolf Dibelli would have trouble tying his own shoes.

Firtox · 2018-04-01T14:12:26+00:00

What is dogmatic lingo? Is all jargon contained in that? What differentiates jargon from dogmatic lingo? What differentiates strawman fallacy from gynocentrism?

Title	Ideologies are guaranteed to be wrong
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Date	April 1, 2018 12:53 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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