The Red Pill, Patrice O'Neil, Jordan Peterson, and Male Responsibility

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Don't be a fool guys, wake up just like I did!

Sounds like you're just going from one extreme to another looking for some kind of enlightenment. The whole post is pseudo intellectual rambling without saying a whole lot in the end. That's the one thing I don't like about the whole Jordan Perterson craze. He's not the end-all be-all of higher thinking. He's a decent communicator that adds a philosophical twist to the age-old concept of personal responsibility.

The ultimate message shouldn't be that you have to be a specific type of person, rather that you define your own meaning/purpose in life. Because you define your own meaning, it is your job to go out and achieve those goals.

Success is defined by the person in the mirror, who gives a shit about what everyone else thinks. You just telling everyone what they ought to do is no different than TRP telling men to fuck bitches.

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You're right, because rights only exist in your mind, they have no tangible reality beyond that. If you don't respect people's right to speak even when you don't like it as a moderator on Reddit, you're just contributing to the loss of our rights someday, which is probably inevitable based on historical precedent and current events. I have no good faith in 90% of the people who are Red Pill because they literally are incapable of seeing past their own cognitive biases and rationales for why they believe what they believe.

They can't consider the real possibility they may be wrong about any of the shit in TRP. This fucking subreddit is pointless, and especially so if you just go around like a mother hen and delete everything that might be offensive to you. That sort of attitude is one reason why people in TRP hate people like you and others here. The political correctness literally disgusts them, but many simply don't comprehend it.

There's no such thing as good faith debate or discussion with someone that is incapable of reason and only knows how to rationalize like a mindless robot. You have to proceed with the assumption you may be wrong when you enter this subreddit, but those people who have not demonstrated that willingness should be dismissed (not banned). An equal platform for genuine disagreement is actually retarded, in essence. Only with two open minded individuals is there even hope of a genuine meeting of minds.

But until you comprehend that people are mostly irrational, censorship of anyone who's rude to an irrational person looks like a great idea (because people value being nice to others). But that is introducing bias, your own, so it's best to just let most things stay as they are and not censor speech AT ALL, anywhere.

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His post was pretty ridiculous, but this reaction is even more ridiculous. (See how my subjective opinions do just fine as subjective opinions rather than laws for others to follow?)

His post wasn’t an internal preaching to red pillers (and why would you censor that anyway?). His post would likely be removed on TRP as concern-trolling or whatever it’s called. Would be nice if he could express his thoughts somewhere at least?

His post was unsolicited fatherly advice from a person wanting to come off as a (still) highly relevant, original veteran with Gandalf-level ancient wisdom, who is always «one step ahead». It’s thinly veiled bragplaining. It has «I’m praising a black person so I’m out-PC-ing you bloopers and now I’m going to use that moral highground to take a dump on lower class people using my poor understanding of evolutionary biology» written all over it.

Yeah, sure. But is that against the rules though?

For what it’s worth his post does have a somewhat positive and seldom heard message about rejecting nihilism that neither blue pill or red pill promotes. (The blue pill «one million genders»-style anti-realism is beyond nihilism actually. It is mocking objective reality and invites its adherents to make complete fools of themselves.)

If PPD can’t be a neutral, unbiased ground for discussing the red pill and whatnot you are losing relevance fast quite frankly.

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Things like altruism are inherent to human beings too, not just our capacity to selfishly persue what is pleasurable or desirable at all times in a clearly hedonistic manner. The Red Pill attitude that "we're all going down anyway, so lets just fuck bitches and spin plates" is the essence of Nihilism.

It's not creative at all, it's simply destructive, often for the individual in the long run and for everybody else (assuming you care about anyone). But people who actually have no feelings for anyone are rare, for a good god damn reason too. You just need to access that part of you that gives a fuck about something or someone besides yourself, then the road back to being a balanced individual is a relatively straight and narrow path.

live a life that increases the amount of happiness, health, and contentment of myself and those I love

This doesn't match your actions or attitudes about duty, honor, sacrifice, or anything else that actually matters in life beyond service to oneself alone. You think you have freedoms, you don't, they are a set of temporary and rare privileges granted to you as an individual (not a man or a woman or a black or white person).

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Things like altruism are inherent to human beings too, not just our capacity to selfishly persue what is pleasurable or desirable at all times in a clearly hedonistic manner. The Red Pill attitude that "we're all going down anyway, so lets just fuck bitches and spin plates" is the essence of Nihilism.

I'm definitely not a Red Pill woman (I'm purple pill) and I don't read pro-RP subs often, but for what it's worth I only see some men with that attitude. A lot of them do suffer from an AWALT complex which leads them to "enjoy the decline" but others are just doing their best to not get hurt in the admittedly fucked up dating world. You really can't blame someone for wanting to protect themselves.

It's not creative at all, it's simply destructive, often for the individual in the long run and for everybody else (assuming you care about anyone).

Can you specify exactly how being unmarried and childfree is destructive?

But people who actually have no feelings for anyone are rare, for a good god damn reason too.

Yes, sociopaths and psychopaths are generally not going to do things to help others.

You just need to access that part of you that gives a fuck about something or someone besides yourself, then the road back to being a balanced individual is a relatively straight and narrow path.

Yeah, I agree that we should care about humanity and help make our own lives as well as others better. I said as much in my previous comment. But again...why is marriage and childbearing necessary for this? You have yet to prove it is required, much less a needed component.

This doesn't match your actions or attitudes about duty, honor, sacrifice, or anything else that actually matters in life beyond service to oneself alone.

How does it not match? I'm an honorable and loyal person, and I've sacrificed money, sleep, food, and mental health to essentially raise my six younger siblings. You have no idea what I, or anyone else here, has done in service to others.

You think you have freedoms, you don't, they are a set of temporary and rare privileges granted to you as an individual (not a man or a woman or a black or white person).

Yes, well, when the Zombie Apocalypse happens I suppose we'll lose all these privileges masquerading as freedoms you speak of. Until then, I'll relish the fact I don't have any squalling infants to take care of anymore, and enjoy working at my job and hanging out with my lovers and friends.

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Title	The Red Pill, Patrice O'Neil, Jordan Peterson, and Male Responsibility
Author	Reven1911
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Comments	108
Date	March 18, 2018 5:59 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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