I can understand the arguments of PUA/TRP being sexist though in what way do they manipulate exactly and strip women off their agency?

slothsenpai · 2017-06-21T17:28:45+00:00

A lot of the hate seems to center around misinterpretations of LMR

Pope_Lucious · 2017-06-21T18:14:43+00:00

It doesn't strip women of any agency. Women still choose to have sex or not. There's just something inherently disgusting to women about men overtly building a model for sleeping with them without considering the woman's goals. All arguments are built backwards from this position of emotional disgust.

Lyanina · 2017-06-21T17:34:38+00:00

I'm only commenting at the title. What do you mean exactly by "stripping women of* their agency"? That seems a false equivalency as I don't agree that women have their agency taken away. Rather, they give it up and don't own it for themselves.

Feyra · 2017-06-21T17:39:09+00:00

Just to clarify, is "manipulate and strip women of their agency" a logical AND or a logical OR for the purpose of this discussion?

prodigy2throw · 2017-06-21T17:42:54+00:00

RP is usually pretty clear that plates should know they're plates. Dangling a relationship in front of the girl for sex isn't the best way to do it. Although I'm sure it's done its definitely not the best way to go about sex.

camelliafleur · 2017-06-21T17:36:39+00:00

How's a gal supposed to know a guy's Alpha if he doesn't act like it? We don't have magical insight into people darling.

Lying is just a craptatist thing to do too.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2017-06-21T17:56:41+00:00

Actual PUA doesn't, b/c like u/squidracer pointed out yesterday, (and made me reevaluate some things) most of it boils down to catering to women. So it's gynocentric if anything.

Eastuss · 2017-06-21T18:17:09+00:00

The true red pill technique is becoming a better man. The type of man women want to fuck.

No games, no fluff. Manipulation is for blue pill men and red pillers who simply"don't truly get it"

[deleted] · 2017-06-22T08:19:16+00:00

They want naturals, not learned men.

Like the guy whose wife had so much surgery, and then they had flipper babies and he sued her family

Macheako · 2017-06-22T01:16:18+00:00

ANY TIME you lie to someone about "Who" you are, like as a person and shit....in effect, you're stripping them of some agency. Now why do I say that? Because agency is basically ones ability to make the best possible decision in their best interests. Ok, cool, so how do we make that decision? Well, we take in every piece of information concerning our environment, analyze that shit, and bam! Come out with "yes" or "no".

So....if you're lying to her about "who" you fucking are....then when she is trying to understand her "environment", she's looking at you, thinking "one thing", meanwhile you've been hiding your real motives/intentions/ideas/words....so she never actually gets the chance to ever come up with an honest decision based on her surroundings.

Sure, she could take into account that people lie, and I do think she should, but....YOU could also just not fucking lie lol so I mean, there's really no "argument" there, it's just a matter of whose personally willing to be honest and who isn't.

With all that said, I don't actually follow TRP tactics and shit, but if they're anything like PUA, then yea, you are lying to these women about "who" you really are, in most cases, and you're taking away part of her agency. Then again, if you can pull the shit off AND in the process be honest about it? Then nah, tell all these haters to go fuck off lolol Cause if you're telling this girl everything and she STILL rides that shit?

Come on ladies....enough is enough, time to take your responsibilities back, bitches! lol

slothsenpai · 2017-06-21T17:29:07+00:00

They say mean things!

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[deleted] · 2017-06-21T19:54:03+00:00

Is it that they pretend to be a different type of person they're not such as a wimpy, meek beta faking his confidence, trying to adopt the role of an "alpha" (almost like how ugly women mask exaggerate their beauty with make up)?

Possibly, but we try to tell the omega types that their's nothing we can do for them.

Or is that they purposely mislead women on with the false premise of a relationship and continuously pester them for sex and push boundaries 'til they break down and eventually say yes?

That's ill advised.

[deleted] · 2017-06-22T01:01:43+00:00

The problem with them is they are trying to expose the nature of women. This collides with woman's need to maintain the allure and mystery they have been able to build up over a long time. With the mysteries of woman in tact, they are able to manipulate men and keep them guessing, so they hate seeing people trying to figure them out and expose them.

I'm not a fan of 'PUAs' at all, but if it works then I dont think they can really be blamed for it. They just go after what they want. There is nothing inherently bad about it.

I think it is nothing new really, for a long time guys have been going out and gaming women to get them into bed. It is just the formalizing of it and sharing of information that makes them uncomfortable.

slothsenpai · 2017-06-21T17:34:31+00:00

Or is that they purposely mislead women on with the false premise of a relationship

So you want to tell me this is not a bad thing to do? Seriously there are some women who are into casual sex, TRPillers can stick with them.

Title	I can understand the arguments of PUA/TRP being sexist though in what way do they manipulate exactly and strip women off their agency?
Author	slothsenpai
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Date	June 21, 2017 5:27 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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