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If the male wealth advantage is fair, then why isn't it fair that women have a physical desirability advantage?

taiboworks

April 22, 2015
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Title If the male wealth advantage is fair, then why isn't it fair that women have a physical desirability advantage?
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taiboworks

Upvotes 3
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Date April 22, 2015 4:37 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/33hor4/if_the_male_wealth_advantage_is_fair_then_why/
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Comments

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪28 points29 points30 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The is no "fairness" in dating. TRP doesn't care about fair. All is fair in love and war. Any TRP even saying the word "fair" is TRPing wrong

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's encouraging that I can see a thread and decide to reply to it - and then find that what I was about to say is already the top post.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The is no "fairness" in dating. TRP doesn't care about fair.

I think most sane people understand that romantic life isn't fair.

[–]relationshipdownvotethe blue pill is a suppository7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean fair? Both are reality.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

some people think reality is unfair and like to complain about it, desire it to change.

[–]relationshipdownvotethe blue pill is a suppository3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

there are better ways to waste your time.

[–]Phokus19837 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

More men are homeless than women, more men are unemployed than women, more women get degrees than men. That's not even bringing in the fact that men are the ones who are dying on the job (93% of industrial deaths are men). You only look UP, that's the problem.

If you were a spirit that was about to be born, would you rather be born a boy, who has a microscopic chance of becoming wealthy but a very big chance of being poor or a woman, who have a very big chance of becoming middle class?

Not surprisingly, feminists always look up, and never down. How many advantages do you want to give women over men before you're happy?

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More men are homeless than women, more men are unemployed than women, more women get degrees than men.

and this is why the wealth gap isn't even larger, the standard deviation of female wealth is smaller than male's. i'm guessing the standard deviation of female beauty is large, giving attractive females the advantage in the romantic market than smart men have in the vocational market.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

By "male wealth advantage", do you mean that wealthier men do better than poorer men all else being equal, and by "physical desirability advantage", do you mean that hotter women do better than uglier women all else being equal?

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

men making more money than women. i don't think red pillers have a problem with that, they don't think that's unfair. women being more desirable than men. seems a lot of red pillers have a problem with that, cry unfairness.

[–]scallopkidCardio bunny 🐇3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any who are crying unfairness have not fully understood TRP yet.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Can you elaborate slightly on what you mean by "women being more desirable than men"?

Most RPers likely don't have a problem with men making more money than women because the pay gap is mostly based on life choices and narrows to roughly 5% once you narrow down to people who have the same job and work the same hours.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men desire women more physically, on average, than vice versa hence the male bias in consumption of porn/prostitutes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This. The pay gap as it stands today is pathetically small once you account for those factors. The physical attractiveness gap is much more prominent.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men's life choices often have nothing to do beauty while women spend tons of time and money learning how to put on make up, look for styles, invest in clothing...

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men's life choices often have nothing to do beauty

then why are red pillers so obsessed with lifting when aerobic exercise is a more effective way to lower mortality? explain the rise of the metrosexual?

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men's life choices often have nothing to do beauty

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the average pay gap is deceptive because male success (like intelligence) has a larger standard deviation (of the wealthiest 50 humans, there are 45 male billionaires and 5 female, and all the females inherited their money). similarly, female beauty likely has a larger standard deviation. the power of the most attractive women over men is a biological force.

[–]BeyondTheLight2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men have more "retards" to compensate for that. Women are generally a more "safe" bet as they don't deviate that much in that aspect. The last one might be debatable. Al though I am more inclined to believe that, as men generally don't look too "different" from each other.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Men don't make more for being men.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

really, men don't have biological advantages, on average, in math and science? which just happen to be skills that are more financially rewarded.

[–]BeyondTheLight3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are debatable at best. Women are generally as capable as men. There are just less "geniuses" and "retards" on the side of women. So it really comes down to the motivation of the woman. Does she want to work in that field that bad, then she will get there.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh sorry, I didn't check who I am dealing with. Naturally men are superior in every way, women are backwards retards compared to men who love to be abused, they are literally children who can't even comprehend what is going on around them and shouldn't vote, but at least they look nice so this equals this differences out and thus all genders being equal, while men are superior because muh biotruth.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

has anyone ever called you histrionic?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't mean they get paid more just for being a man though

[–]BeyondTheLight2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is often due to their choices. If you get a degree in a low paying field, then don't be surprised when your pay is low. Just like some men study their whole lives and work hard, shouldn't be surprised if they are behind in a social aspect. They made their choice. Just like the persons who had "fun" their whole lives and have nothing to show for it. Same applies here. They made heir choice. Women being "sluts", men being "studs" and aren't less accepted? They made their choice. You can't demand things. You can expect them, but don't be surprised if they don't come true. If some of those TRP'ers think that, then they are hypocrites. Just like men have an obvious advantage in becoming a CEO. He won't get pregnant, so he is less of a risk for the company. Women just have more power in reproduction, that is just the way it is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What does women being more desirable than mean actually mean? A woman can get more sex than a man who is her equal can?

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

if person A can get a job easier than person B, who is more desirable vocationally?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure "desirability" is the real factor, though. A female 8 can get sex more often than a male 8 (assuming hetero sex) because men, in general, are more comfortable with casual sex than women are.

A lesbian 8 will probably experience more difficulty than a hetero female 8 in racking up partner numbers for the same reason.

Desirability isn't the key factor. It's the fact that women are less open to sex without intimacy.

edit: word choice

[–]ReginleiferOnly Zombies want female brains1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll bite, a lot of people don't have a problem with "earned" advantages. They tend to be more tolerant of people who are thought to have earned rather than were born into privilege.

And this is where feminism and the manosphere come into play. Feminists believe that white males inherited status and wealth, while people from the manosphere believe that sexual advantage is born with women.

To the manosphere's credit.... there have been wealth transfers in recent years that have served to remedy this a little, along with wealth transfers from the middle class to the 1%. So many former middle class men don't feel so "privileged" anymore. Sexual advantage... remains the same and even has been allowed to increase due to their no longer being so many restraints.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And this is where feminism and the manosphere come into play. Feminists believe that white males inherited status and wealth, while people from the manosphere believe that sexual advantage is born with women.

male's math, science, speed, and strength advantages are no more earned than a females desirability or empathy advantage. even with an inborn/biological advantage, most still have to work to take advantage of that, to develop that. money comes to men who exploit their math and science advantage by developing that further. attention from men comes to women who exploit their desirability advantage by maintaining/improving their fitness/figure. if having a good body is easy, not 'earned', why don't all men and women have one. most don't because it takes most people effort and discipline to maintain good physiological form and most people are not willing to 'earn' that.

[–]dicklord_airplane1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

it doesn't seem fair to frustrated dudes because attractive women are born with traits that make them desirable to men, whereas attractive men usually have to work hard to earn and attain their attractive traits.

hot young women don't have to concentrate and work all that hard to be desirable to men. ugly women have to work harder, of course. now what does it take for a man to be really desirable to women? ambition, action, courage, fortitude, skill, experience, and success. it takes hard fucking work to earn and attain things that attract women, such as professional success and leadership skills.

the difference is that men aren't born with the 'wealth' advantage as you call it. they still have to work hard for it, and the effort that women have to put in to be physically beautiful and feminine cannot compare. however, the caveat is that women's beauty declines as they age. lots of women complain about that disadvantage and call it unfair.

i suppose that from an unsuccessful guy's perspective (and from ugly women's perspective), seeing hot women go about their romantic lives with ease and options is similar to a poor kid watching a trust fund kid coast through life without having to work hard. it doesn't seem fair, especially when those trust fund kids seem to believe that they earned the advantages that they were born into.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the difference is that men aren't born with the 'wealth' advantage as you call it.

they are born with a math and science advantage which enables wealth.

[–]why_do_anything[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

hmm what's your point? I'm confused

From what I gather from the title: "If the male wealth advantage is fair, then why isn't it fair that women have a physical desirability advantage?"

The word 'fair' suggests someone has a hand in this, which I don't believe so. Evolution just happened, and both men and women have different predispositions.

[–]BeautyinNothing0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you can see the beauty in nothing, let the young sluts find you.

Let's get the wealth advantage straight... Top 1%: most the wealth. Who really cares if the average man gets a few more cents on the dollar than his female counterpart?

So there's no male wealth advantage. Only a top % advantage really.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

and even then really rich guys trying to up-date looks-wise are limited to the type of female that would forgo physical attraction for money, hardly a catch.

[–]BeautyinNothing0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]CarkudoThe original opinionated omega0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because even with the wealth disparity, I don't think anyone is doomed to spend life in poverty, whereas with the current sex disparity, some men are doomed to never experience affection and consensual sex.

[–]scallopkidCardio bunny 🐇0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Fair" is a form of saying how things should be. No matter how many times you word this question differently, TRP will still not concern itself with should. We are not MRA, we only care about what is, and what is our most effective path to increased personal happiness based on that "is."

[–]sigmayogi 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Not sure why down-voted. Thats exactly what TRP is.

[–]scallopkidCardio bunny 🐇0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't really pay attention to downvotes in this sub.

[–]DrunkenOni 0 points0 points0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

A lot of it is just venting I think. If you actually understand RP theory then women having a physical desirability advantage shouldn't bother you. It just is, and women being the desired is one of the core tenants of RP. Men chase, women are the chased.

[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men chase, women are the chased.

i think the issue is some men chase women above their station, some women torture, take advantage of those men. i don't think male 8s chase female 8s. chasing is pedestalizing behavior.

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