The Sexodus is BAD for women. Both anecdotes and hard data show this. If you're a heterosexual woman who values long term relationships/marriage, you should be against the blue pill view of the world.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-01-04T23:06:46+00:00

Attempting to dread game an entire gender into settling is unlikely to get anyone anywhere.

Petticoat_Rule · 2015-01-04T22:41:44+00:00

The actual research article is interesting: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/04/19/a-gender-reversal-on-career-aspirations/?src=prc-headline

The quotes from the article are just anecdote after anecdote and I see them as irrelevant.

Collapse of male-dominated industries such as manufacturing aren't anything to do with feminists and why so many men can't find work.I see it as a tragic consequence of advances in technology. I agree that women see it as important that their marriage partner have a good job, which makes things extremely hard for those men without good, steady jobs and careers.

The Pew study said there was an increase in desiring marriage in older men. So there isn't a decrease across the board.

There is an increase in young women of wanting marriage, yet they are still pursuing careers and not marriage and children, according to the research. It said both younger and older women are placing a high value on careers. You'd imagine that if older women were worried about marriage, they'd be placing a much higher value on marriage than what they are.

It could be true that women are seeking men at the same or a higher level than themselves (career-wise) - and this isn't going to work if there aren't enough of such men to go around and so women will need to adjust and change their view.

Personally, I see lots of professional women happily married to men who work in trades such as building and carpentry - but that's just what I personally see and I have no idea what the overall picture on that is.

[deleted] · 2015-01-04T23:39:25+00:00

[permanently deleted]

[deleted] · 2015-01-04T23:35:09+00:00

Men and women are still marrying, specifically men and women who are educated.

I wonder why.

Phokus1982 · 2015-01-04T22:20:32+00:00

So you are saying that a fringe idea that just about nobody has ever heard of has this major impact? I'm not buying that. Nobody that I have observed other than TRP has paid any mind to it.

13blues13moons · 2015-01-05T00:17:06+00:00

If this is everyone's experience, how come it isn't applicable to me or anyone I know??

fiat_lux_ · 2015-01-04T23:02:46+00:00

You're just going to get more "but it's just omegas leaving the market, and we weren't going to date them anyway!"

First we had arguments of SMV ("Everyone has unique preferences, thus SMV doesn't exist!"), now this. Some people just hate thinking about markets, economics, competition, and other stressful thoughts.

Consider a market where we have 100 different shoes and 100 people. About 30 of the shoes are of the shittiest brand. Only the cheapest people would buy them. The upper 50 percent of those people scoff at those shoes. "Pffft, who would wear those?"

We take the lowest 30 shoes off the market. Suppose even the lowest 30 of people weren't ALL interested in shoes anyway. About 33% of them were fine going bare feet all the time. But there are still about 20 people who wanted shoes, and didn't like going bare feet. They heard about those shoes being taken off the market. They realized they're just going to have to work slightly harder to get the next tier of shoes, above the 30th percentile.

This creates a slight scarcity in the next tier. Some of the people in the next tier work slightly harder to find shoes. The imbalances of the bottom start find finding their way up top, and soon the entire system is affected. Even people who thought, "I'd never wear those shoes that were taken off the market anyway!" are finding slightly tougher competition from below where they found none before.

Now, I'm not convinced mgtow is that big, but if it truly took out a significant number of men off the market (like 10% or so), then people in the middle are going to feel trace effects of that. Influences people have on each other through the market are rarely direct.

(EDIT: Note that all of the above is assuming that mgtows == omegas. I'm not sure that's entirely true, but I'm giving that one to bpers as a freebie, because I'm generous.)

Now, it's not just bpers, but even old stooges who'd scoff at possible interactions between different demographics in a markets. Blockbuster imploded, and major brick and mortar superchains have started to see online retailing truly cut into their revenue, and they can't ignore it anymore either. Even older and poorer people they didn't expect to use the internet have forced themselves to learn because the marginal benefits were too high (better deals). From a holistic perspective, we all affect each other on some level.

If this were to truly become a problem, then the way this could be countered is just by women leaving the market as well, like the dried fish ladies of Japan, who gave up in turn like the herbivores. Just let marriage (or even LTRs in general) die off! Unfortunately, this situation like so many others ends up hitting the lower tiers the hardest. They're the ones feeling most hopeless and in need to share their costs and struggles with a close one, even if we were to look past the savings of cohabitation and taxes.

Reginleifer · 2015-01-04T22:38:37+00:00

porn and other distractions.

If they become too much of a problem and too big a threat to the powers that be, then attempts will be made to ban or severely restrict those things. Take ISP's and their constant interference in our politics. Whether those attempts will be successful or not really depends on this generation of men.

hyperrreal · 2015-01-05T00:12:20+00:00

Hey you need to add a CMV tag, or repost with a neutral title. Titles here cannot make any affirmative claims.

Phokus1982 · 2015-01-04T22:18:44+00:00

You can't tell young women any of this, they don't believe you and just think You're being mean

Antiteetotaler · 2015-01-05T00:16:59+00:00

I think that men are to blame, as they always are. Women tend to be, in general, more reactive, more conformist, and more risk-averse. If society is changing then it's very likely driven mostly by the actions of men.

Men are simply acting too beta. Past generations had to risk war, many lived in third world style poverty, and a lot of our modern conveniences and distractions didn't exist. Men are acting weak, getting fat, and letting themselves go. Women are just responding to this fact.

Comments