There's good evidence that testosterone levels have been consistently dropping in men for a few decades. What do you make of this?

FortunateBum · 2014-04-01T05:15:00+00:00

It's true, is probably due to all the chemicals we produce, mostly plastics, and is, I'd guess, happening in women as well.

It's telling that at the same time men seem to be having a "masculinity crisis", women are becoming less interested in sex, having kids, getting married, raising a family.

I think the average cup size has been going up for decades too, which everyone thinks is great, but it could be signs of hormonal imbalance.

Perhaps age of puberty going down is another effect.

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namae_nanka · 2014-03-31T03:09:45+00:00

Could the rise of feminism be in some way related to this?

Feminism is quite old, I point out in this comment how a person writing about the Fraud of Feminism in 1913 was talking of 'modern feminism' is bad bad bad.

http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/21ow74/cmv_i_believe_that_mens_issues_are_more_important/cgfnht1?context=3

Wealth has often been blamed with decline of manly virtues, and even then people in wealthier conditions are usually rolling in more testosterone than their poorer selves. otoh you could argue that rise of feminism might be due to women getting more testosterony.

The two matriarchal animal cultures of bonobos and hyenas differ in this regard. Bonobo males have lower testosterone than chimps while their females don't differ, while hyena females have enough male hormones to virilize their body so much that it is hard to differentiate them from the males.

Humans of course are more complex, but there have been incidences of female 'liberation' throughout history and the noted misogynist Otto Weiniger(who was quite influential during the start of 20th century) also noted that there are periods when more androgynous animals come forth than normal. He was all for liberation of the more masculine women, but he wasn't much of a fan of Woman.

shutayooface · 2014-03-31T01:55:45+00:00

All the subjects are from one geographical area. It might be localized.

Worth doing more studies though.

W-Z-R · 2014-03-31T19:38:12+00:00

For me it does explain why men raised outside Western countries or within microcultures within Western countries, are so much more masculine that your average Whiteboi (I'm a White guy myself before you think I trying to insult White men)

I think it's lifestyle but also Western culture teaches you that masculine behaviours (acting in self-interest, aggression, competitiveness) are bad traits and I think this is the reason.

spongegloss00 · 2014-03-31T21:36:58+00:00

Potentially, although I think it's a bit of a stretch since I'm not sure small changes in hormone levels on average could be blamed for the feminist movement (and actually, didn't feminism begin in the late 1800s?)

I would venture that the cause of this has to do with the focus on simple carbs and sugars instead of healthy fats and protein in our diet- that's been known to cause hormonal imbalances in both men and women. However I don't think those hormone imbalances are significant enough to change your personality. Women with PCOS have higher testosterone and aside from some outward physical symptoms, their behavior isn't more masculine than that of balanced women (actually some of the most feminine-looking women I know have very masculine attitudes)

greyflcn · 2014-04-01T01:15:24+00:00

Easy answer. Less consumption of fat, particularly saturated fat.

Saturated fat, processed in the liver = Testosterone

Should be common knowledge

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_truth_about_saturated_fat

RedPill4LYF · 2014-04-01T21:36:11+00:00

I blame porn and female obesity.

rulenumber303 · 2014-03-31T06:20:27+00:00

Self inflicted. The solution is less minecraft, and more yardwork.

MSILE · 2014-03-31T12:44:13+00:00

I think it's porn. They say that if you do /r/nofap your testosterone levels rise. Porn magazines made men masturbate more, and now internetporn even more.

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