Questions about sex

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December 3, 2019
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I have a few.

If she refuses to give head, swallow or anal, does it mean she just doesn't like you that much?

Some girls initiate oral themselves, but many don't. Does it mean they wait for you to tell them or bend their head down? What do you do if they refuse, fuck them and next them? Kick them out of bed?

Do all girls like the dirty talk in bed, like calling them sluts and cock hungry whores? Do you just do that with a new girl, or have some kind of a talk about it first? Ease into it via multiple sessions?

I understand that TRP perspective is about leading, but what if she doesn't follow? Do you compromise at all on any of those?

EDIT: I pretty much forgot to mention the core of this post. In the past I found out that I've missed out on really dirty girls in bed, but only because those were the ones who won't tell you what they really want and expect you to figure out, which I rarely did and they didn't give me second chance.


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Title Questions about sex
Author bdwbdv
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Date 03 December 2019 01:53 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]i-am-the-prize137 points138 points  (10 children) | Copy

You need to decide if lack of oral is a deal breaker. But some 'tips' from an old guy.

  1. many women do not like to have their heads forced down, but during the "what do we do" feeling out stages will tolerate a 69 move during foreplay - try it on your side, laying next to eachother - it's not "on top" either way, it's mutual, and it's "leading to something else". bonus, you can look down and see her sucking you off, it's a turn on.
  2. next time you're fucking her, put your fingers in her mouth and talk about how hot it makes you, thinking about her sucking your cock. this is a double bonus - (a) it's dirty talk, (b) it lets her know what turns you on.

So here's the deal, either she will want to please you (now that you told her what turns you on) or not. Personally, this mindset (her wanting to please me) is more important than specific sex acts, as it will lead to all things in the long run, that I want, but ymmv.

Further, for early dirty talk, the fingers-in-mouth, and what feels good, and her pussy/your cock are better openers than calling her a dirty whore or whatever. Leave the judgement lines for later, once she responds to the descriptor ones.

Have you read "A billion wicked Thoughts"?? It gives some context into what women find arousing. You'll find 'the story', dominance, total immersion, roles - all resonate with the average female. Give that a read. Looking back, for some submissive type women that didn't seem too into things, I think they were story girls in the end. I recall giving a pay-by-play description of what I was going to do/what i was doing while foreplay/fucking them and it drove 'em nuts hot. Often eyes-closed type girls. Maybe there were thinking of Tom Brady, no idea, but they were into the story and experience as much as the act.

Also, don't forget variety - all women won't be the same way sexually - hence why Plates=multiple is a tenant of RP. You can have one for the good cooking, one for the pro-level-BJs, one for the sumissive sex, whatever. You don't eat sushi every night, right? so enjoy what us married guys no longer have, get some variety in your bed and stop fixating on this one chick.

also about your question: " I understand that TRP perspective is about leading, but what if she doesn't follow? Do you compromise at all on any of those?"

Easy: you do you, if she doesn't follow, you have other options and drop her as a plate. You won't need to compromise if you have OPTIONS.

[–]bdwbdv[S] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy

Thanks for the thorough answer. So you suggest to take things slow and basically change character to adopt to different girls? I thought that idea of TRP was most importantly being yourself? Also if you try to juggle all the different approaches, won't those girls sniff you out that you're faking it?

I guess what I'm asking, is there really any point to cater to their needs or just do your thing, dominate the shit out of them and next the ones who don't like it?

[–]i-am-the-prize31 points32 points  (8 children) | Copy

"So you suggest to take things slow..."

i didn't say that. 69'ing a girl and fingers in her mouth on the 1st date wouldn't be slow. you're already where you're at with your girl, we can't change that.

"... and basically change character to adopt to different girls?...Also if you try to juggle all the different approaches, won't those girls sniff you out that you're faking it?"

Interesting timing - you saying this. Have you read "The Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene? (he documents the various archetypes throughout the ages, male and female, and how they 'worked' the other gender) An almost historical read. I read this early in 2019. I'm just now reading "The Natural" by Richard La Ruina. Something that resonated with me was his description of using 3 of the main archetypes IN THE SAME ENCOUNTER for maximum effect. When reflecting on ONS or first bangs I had with high SMV women, I went "holy shit, yes, I've done this". They are like this:

  1. you open with the social guy, the extovert, the conversationalist able to run the room and table. Then you get into a state/establish rapport singling out the one you want to bang...
  2. you then transition to the comfort guy, getting her to trust you, getting her to connect with you. getting her to open up to you, then to go home with you...
  3. finally, you transition to the sexual alpha leader, the dominant overtly sexual beast who is clear in what he wants and to whom she's dying to submit.

(all in one night/encounter)

"... I thought that idea of TRP was most importantly being yourself?

LOL, "be yourself" is literally a rallying cry against RP. EDIT: what I mean is, you will change yourself, genuinely if you internalize RP concepts. You won't be faking it, eventually. The way I've described it is, as I've gotten deeper into RP mode as a matter of course: "it's less of an armor I have to remember to put on, and more like the natural skin that I'm in" You'll find that boundaries, Frame, self-first, mental point of origin, OI end up being an all around life encompassing state of mind. But that's a whole other topic/post.

"I guess what I'm asking, is there really any point to cater to their needs or just do your thing, dominate the shit out of them and next the ones who don't like it?"

RP doesn't mean not providing comfort. Doesn't mean banging a dry vag fast and hard. Your skills as a lover are not directly determined by RP other than to understand the DEVI model of sex (dominance, emotion, variety and immersion, as per the Sex God Method e-book). Give that a look.

EDIT: I have read and do agree with the idea of being RP means not chasing her orgasm. IE: she's responsible to get to it, not you. So do not put undue pressure on yourself to 'Make sure she comes' and "I gotta do her favorite position every time". [I now joke with my wife during sex, as I know she has a specific position and external stimulation combo which 100% sets her off. And I do NOT do it every time at all. Maybe 1 out of 3 times we fuck. And when I do, I dominate her, and ask her if she's been good, good enough to deserve it.. I make her beg me to do it. And that further sets her off. It's about dominance, being in control and being OI.]

What RP does talk about is: ASD, LMR, shittest, comfort tests, Frame, Abundance, OI - you must know about these to be a MAN who she wants to fuck, again and again.

[–]philltered1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

This might be the single most important comment in the entire thread. The 3 archetypes are also bang on.

Question - Seeing how mindful and trp-aware you are, how and when did you decide to get married? How does married trp work and look like exactly?

[–]i-am-the-prize5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

thank you but I have a long way to go still...

I am nearly 50. Been with my wife for 21 years. Sadly didn’t find RP until earlier in 2019. When at the end of my rope with my marriage and wife. I recalled reading Athol Kay’s MMSLP2011 back in 2013(?) so re-read it in 24 hours In the Spring 2019 then looked up that on AMZ and in the reviews saw someone recommending Rational Male and that was it. I went all-in on sidebar and RP.

Married life is RP on nightmare mode is what MRP states tongue-in-cheek.

Married red pill (MRP) states: RP May not save your marriage but it will save you and that’s what I found to be true. Yet for me it has also saved my marriage, for now.

Thankfully I had already done about 80% of my external physical, fitness, fashion, self-first improvement - effectively doing most of the first five levels of dread on my own - simply in the past two years trying to improve myself. (Ie went from over 45% BF to now under 14% and put on 20# of muscle, all new clothes, etc, etc)

What RP had to show me was what shit tests versus comfort test were and why shit test happened and why they’re critical for passing and also what covert contracts are and how I was drowning in them without realizing it. Why I had completely lost Frame (why that was KING and how to fix) and why Game was key to being a fully integrated man.

I think I’ve made good progress for just seven real months of study- thanks to the physical Headstart on losing over 100 pounds before picking up the rational male in April 2019. And frankly back in the day - actually believing i-was-the-Prize. So I had to rediscover myself and improve myself. It’s a lot of effort but it’s worth it like nothing else.

Some of the guys in MRP talk about running a harem... Mentally I’m not sure I could wrap my head around that but I respect them for their resolve. For now I’m still monogamous and faithful. But on the sex front it’s now 3-4x a week and no longer obligation sex. When her friends (and random women) start salivating over the “new you” your woman gets attracted again, go figure. We now operate in my Frame, I STFU and verbal intercourse is optional - and we both know I’m the fucking Prize. (Remember: The one who needs the other in the relationship the least has the power in the relationship)

If things end with my wife I will enjoy life and have found a relationship model I will follow. I’m reading Caleb Jones’ “unchained man” and his Alpha 2.0 model of relationship progression makes a lot of sense to me.

I don’t worry about my woman cheating anymore or about her tantrums. (1) I really don’t care as it would not affect my long-term happiness. (2) she could not replace me with anyone at my SMV or RMV I really am the fucking prize, so it would be self destructive behavior on her part and a red flag on many levels, (3) every week sometimes daily I meet young(er) beautiful women who -now that I know how to absolutely read and Game- and get offers all the time for casual sex or relationships or one night stands or friends with benefits.

I will be like a kid in a candy store with a fresh wad of $100 bills in his pocket. And I’ll find someone better who treats me better, when I want, on my terms.

2 weeks ago- One of my oldest buddies (he was in my wedding as a groomsman) was with me when I was flirting with a couple of women at a bar, after the Flirting when I walked away with a number , he said: “my god - you probably want your wife to cheat- then you’d be free to follow up on that!” I smiled and tossed the number in the trash (catch and release)

I had used one of the lines from the natural. This is all fun now. Confidence is like crack. The 2 chicks were at the stand up bar table next to ours and they looked over every now and then so I told my buddy “watch this” and I walked all 4 feet over to their table.

Me, deadpan: “Are you all talking about me?” (Pause) they were frozen... then with a big smile: “why not!?”

They both laughed and ageeed that they should have been, since they were looking over plenty and we laughed too and blah blah and the hot 27 year old “I just got out of an engagement” HB7-8 gave me her number within 10 minutes. Not her snap, and pinched my ass saying- you better txt me! as we left.

If you read the stickied posts and all the sidebar and get attractive you can make your own destiny.

[–]philltered1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for sharing in such detail! Would you recommend marriage/LTR to single people now that you have internalized trp?

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on your goals. If you want kids, I think a traditional 2 parent household increases chances of good outcome, if both partners are healthy.

I do not regret my kids at all, so I don't regret the path I took, on balance.

But knowing what I know now, I would have done a few things differently for sure. Examples: (IANAL)

1) prenup - I should've had one - now my business is now potentially 50% hers (?)

2) she's a stay at home mom now, even though has a PhD and was making well over $100k first few years of our marriage - found out that when calculating alimony, the lack of her real income in many years raises the obligation from my end (?) I haven't spoken to a lawyer, so maybe that's offsettable as she can re-enter the workforce back at over $100k and get to $300k within a few years.

3) vetting should mean more than just how she treats you - that changes after the honeymoon years. the relationship with a woman's father needs to be scrutinized (my Father in Law - turns out he's a dark triad asshole, and I think some of her worst traits that manifested long after our courtship and first few years of marriage are a result of his treatment of her, oldest daughter in the house, etc)

4) RP is a way of life. I've posted before, to me Alpha = Frame + Game + Looks. I had some Mission focus and abundance so that part of Frame but not the OI/NGAF/mental point of origin side of things. As I got got committed and stopped Gaming/flirting, I lost abundance. And as I go older/fatter I lost looks. As she became a bigger part of my life, she/her happiness became too much my Mission, vs. my real mission. Basically even though I was a catch to the average woman (still some looks, plenty of income, intelligence, humor, kindness - and I never stopped getting offers/hit on), in her eyes i had slipped and become less of a man - so I was living a power nightmare and shittest obstacle course on a daily basis. Life was not good.

So to people who say "RP is hard" no, being BP is harder if you have an ounce of self respect left. RP takes drive and discipline and self actualization and self worth mindset. But it's not hard. Being unhappy and not understanding why is harder, playing the game by the wrong (purposefully wrongly programmed) rules is harder. Not being comfortable in your own skin is harder. Sitting alone at night wondering why your life is how it is and unsure how to fix it is harder.

I like(d) FWB/ONS-repeat ones, what here is called Plating. I could find humor and thrills and didn't find them repulsive/distasteful, but I did find myself in some LTRs along the way, I like having a chick make me breakfast and sleeping over sometimes, not gonna lie. Same for going on trips - sometimes bro trips are needed, sometimes going somewhere cool with an LTR is nice, too. But I now know, I should've left/dumped some sooner than I did. But I was BP back then, so I think RP would've helped that too.

I think if you can internalize the sidebar material - its so much more than just male/female relations, and not be ashamed of your masculinity, and can find a mission and focus, and be the Prize - you can do ANYTHING you want well. Plate. LTR. Marriage. Life after Marriage. You are the solution to your life's problems.

[–]adriano515-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

I would add to all of this.

next time you're fucking her, put your fingers in her mouth and talk about how hot it makes you, thinking about her sucking your cock. this is a double bonus - (a) it's dirty talk, (b) it lets her know what turns you on.

You can also imply this before sex, when sexualizing in a conversation you can say "A friend is telling me he wont brake up with his gf cause she gives amazing orals and i can understand that i for one also love them but i think he's crazy" You can change that line but basically something that implies you love orals without telling her that she should give you one.

[–]i-am-the-prize3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I would simply ask for it vs. use the friend story route, personally.

IRL pre or post PiV sex stage, I've simply stood up while making out on the couch, whipped it out and asked her to suck it. You can be clear and state your desires, worse she says is no.

But OP seems a bit tentative, so my 2 suggestions were ways to broach the subject vs. pushing her head down ;)

[–]silvereddi3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn that’s bold. So you ask her „can you suck it?“ And what do you do if she says No? Do you dress up and leave. Or do you put your dick back, sit back next to her and continue making out and try to escalate to get her clothes off to fuck her as if nothing had happened?

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

honestly, no idea what I would have done, never been rejected; it's like it was 100% natural and expected.

I assume I've done this move with about a dozen women (my N is about 40, hit at age 27, only been with one woman since then... gawd that's fucking weird to write) so a third of my N as a guess is about a dozen.

It's all about being high value and confident - like it's something you do all the time/expect of her. I probably didn't (I know I didn't) with my 1st - 4th Girlfriends in Highschool and college - since they were pretending to be 'good girls' and I was pretending to be a 'nice guy', but ONS', FWB, along the way - absolutely. Why not early GF's? seems both parties suppress their raw desires for fear of judgement. But at age 23, after my 4th multi-year LTR since I was 16, I went on a tear for 5 years and did what I pleased. So maybe it's closer to half of my N count, but i honestly cannot recall asking for her to take it in her mouth and her ever looking up and saying 'no'. Hopefully I would've laughed, but no idea.

[–]McVaghunter23 points24 points  (6 children) | Copy

Man, relax and communicate with the girl, sex is supposed to be fun. She sucked dick before, she'll get the hint if you hold her hand and try to pull her down on her knees between your legs, or you could just tell her if she pretends she doesn't get the hint.

If she refuses then she's doesn't really like you that much. If you have hotter options you can hard next her afterwards,but if you don't have better options you can keep her as a side piece. Don't be an edgy prick and kick them out of bed! What the fuck is wrong with you?

As for the dirty talk, it's like kino, you start with less dirty talk and you work your way to the graphic shit. She'll let know where the line is.

Do you compromise at all on any of those?

I do if the girl is a dime. I just did last Saturday, no blowjobs, she does anal, nothing kinky, but the girl's body... oh lord... she just celebrated her age of consent birthday this month, low body fat, huge firm tits, petite girl in her absolute prime (face is good, nothing special). So, no blowjobs it is.

[–]bdwbdv[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I get most of that, it's common sense, but I also know that there are women out there who are very good and filthy in bed, but they only give you one shot at it and they won't tell you what they want. So if you can't guess what she actually wants (like super dirty talk, rough pounding, etc), she won't be back for seconds.

[–]i-am-the-prize4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

which is why you always try to escalate. if she refuses, fine.

remember: REGRET IS WORSE THAN REJECTION.

[–]JosephBosa3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is why I go rough on the first time every single time. I pound, pull hair, pin them down, grab the back of their neck, spank em, toss them around and choke em.

Choking would be only done after they seem receptive to all of the above (escalation I guess)

But generally speaking I hit most of not all of those moves during the 1st time and they love it. These are all “safe” rough sex moves imo. It lets her know that it can go deeper in the future but it’s an A+ First impression

[–]McVaghunter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It lets her know that it can go deeper in the future

And boy does it go deep... I mean the nasty unhygienic immoral shit a lot of girls (and the horny version of me) are whiling to do keeps blowing my mind every single time.

[–]JosephBosa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. If you give off a non-judgmental frame and make her comfortable enough you can unlock that side, maybe going farther than all of her ex-chads.

Good way to alpha widow her, but i dont think this would be possible without the rough sex first impression

[–]babybopp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she cannot dirty down and do for u and satisfy u... it could be she is shy, her personality or cock trauma to get a beta boy. Latter is to secure a nice provider beta who will eventually end up getting no sex at all. Either way, u know her the best to see which of these it is.

[–]majorketone7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

My usual go to when I want a newer plate to do something in bed is the "I want you to..." route

eg. "I want you to suck my dick", "I want you on top", etc

This is much easier to do when you've set enough of a dominant frame in bed eg. moving her body where you want, choking, hair pulling. If you've built enough rapport with multiple sexual encounters and she's no longer a "new" plate, you can transition into more of a command like just telling them to do it. YMMV but this is what works for me.

[–]i-am-the-prize2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

stating what you want is authentic and is actually attractive.

...you do it because you want what you're asking for, and as a man you want what you want. but the added benefit is that they find it attractive when you state what you want. even if they don't want to do the act and decline (anal, whatever) they know you want it and will hamster about it after the fact. There is zero downside other than your own puritanical hangups and family dynamic baggage - like most of RP "you" are the problem (and the solution).

one of the things i've learned about the Dominance side of sex, is a woman doesn't want to ask you to dominate her, it kills the Dominance intrinsically if she has to ask for it!!

(the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.)

[–]XT3M322 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

a girl who says she dont suck dick is clearly not into you. a girl will throw out all her rules for the right person.

YEA, every girl is different, but i learned that rules go out the window if she down for you

[–]i-am-the-prize7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

yup, big time. Women Make rules for Betas, they break rules for Alphas.

and your level of Alpha is in this case 100% defined by her perception of you. No longer social proof, no longer in a public setting, you're alone with her, in a room/bed/couch/hammock/car/phonebooth/etc.

[–]smgtn7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

So if she fucks you, but doesn't suck you, does that make you a 50% alpha? 😆 Female attraction is not binary then, I guess?

[–]i-am-the-prize7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

If she's a total non-oral chick, then that's her. (her doing her) and you can decide on balance.

But if she's sucked others in the past and will in the future, even if 'distasteful' but won't suck you - you're the problem, you're not desireable/SMV high enough for her to break her own rules to keep you around.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

bingo

[–]JimmyHILFIGER18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every girl i been with liked that rough shit.

I don't really ask if they like it, i throw the idea of choking the shit out of them in bed, talking about and they react well to it, good sign, they get choked the fuck out.

[–]RPNorvell[M] 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

Decide for yourself what behavior is tolerable to you.

[–]CainPrice22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

A girl who's into you will initiate oral herself. A small number of girls are disgusted by the idea of oral and won't do it, even when they get really turned on. But most girls, in the moment, when really horny, will suck your dick without you ordering them to, laying in a position that begs for it, or trying to shove their head toward your crotch. If a girl isn't sucking your dick at all, she may be one of that small number of girls who's disgusted by it, or she might just not be that into you.

Many but not all girls hate it when you shove their head around during a blowjob. They want to do their thing. You don't know how to give blowjobs, they do.

Many, many girls don't like to swallow. Is it that strange that a girl would think drinking a bodily fluid is gross?

Many, many girls don't like and won't do anal. It's uncomfortable and they already have a hole that's made for sex. Anal is a kink, not a regular sex act. Not all girls will be into that.

Most girls like dirty talk during sex, even the ones who think they don't. But just dirty, sexy talk. Not degrading talk where you call them sluts. A few girls like that, but better to play it safe and not call a girl names unless she asks for it.

Don't sweat leading/following. You go for what you want, but not all girls like all sex acts. If a girl is still fucking you eagerly but genuinely doesn't like certain things, lay off. Fuck her the way she likes to fuck. Fuck other plates in other ways. If a girl likes certain things but is withholding them from you specifically for some reason, fuck other girls.

[–]smolzino3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

A girl will however absolutely bend her rules for you when she is REALLY attracted to you. She'll swallow, let you call her whatever you want, and even do anal sometimes.

My thing used to be spitting in girls mouths and making them swallow it. You would think that it's a very disgusting kink, but actually once I became good at leading in bed, 100% of the girls did it. I'm talking a good 15 women I've done this to in the past years. Legit spit in their mouths while choking them, several times

[–]gorilla_bro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is actually my thing too. Many women like it in my experience.

[–]muricanwerewolf14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you’re fucking it is imperative that you’re the captain. You lead. You do what you want, and you tell her what you want. If she’s the kind of girl who, when you pull out to switch positions she jumps up to suck your dick that’s a gift, but if that’s what you want and she’s not gonna do it otherwise you tell her. Some girls just need that permission to be a dirty b. Really goes for anything you want. IMO most girls are far more down than you think, you’re the boring one and she’s waiting for you to step it up.

That said sometimes there’s not a kink bone in her body. She doesn’t seem to get being banged up against the wall. She “doesn’t do that” if it isn’t straight penetrative sex. Maybe she’s weird about being fingered. As harsh as it is to say, get rid of her. Maybe it’s just you she’s not feeling, maybe it’s her but IMO I’m not gonna try to work on a girl that’s already boring. If we’re at the point where we’re both naked and she’s hitting the brakes I don’t know what her fucking game is but it’s not fun, so that’s a soft next.

[–]ghisino2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some ideas.

All women I have had good sex with expressed that I made them feel comfortable and safe. I dont know how to describe it precisely, but two key points: - focus on sex as a shared experience. Eye contact, feedback, etc. Do not fuck "eigoistically", like "omg I really want to fuck her ass". It is more like "i want her to feel pleasure by me fucking her ass" - do not be hesitant. If it looks like you know exactly what you are doing, she will be able to relax more. do not rush things either. You should be slow but confident... -dom/sub can go two ways. You want her deep throat you and swallow? Maybe having her to face sit, or go down on her when shes at her wettest, can introduce the idea... I've had my current woman to slap my face before I could di the same to her (and now she likes it).

One guy who has interesting things to say about rough sex is Rocco siffredi. Basically he says that you should think about it in reverse to what you see - when it works out well, the dominant partner is really a sort of sex worker/slave while the submissive is basically just enjoying the ride. This is also why switching roles from time to time is interesting...

Tech tips about anal:

Go slow. Build it up over several times if shes new to it. Lick it. Finger it little by little. Use lots of lube. Finger while fucking or licking her pussy. Build it up to two fingers (or three depending on your size) before attempting with penis. And most of all make it feel like you are doing it for her pleasure, to give her a new experience, not because you need to check a box.

finally. not all human beings really "own" their body. For some it's a bit as if they rented it... not everybody likes the same things. some girls will not let go completely in a LTR dynamic. They will control their sexual behaviour for several reasons. So try to get the best sex out of them first (in a casual dynamic where it is clear that good sex is what you have to offer) and go to LTR next...

[–]Domebeers3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh man wait till you find the ones that tell you 'no' and then get mad at you the next day because you thought no meant no.

[–]bdwbdv[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Precisely the point of my post. But it's nearly impossible to detect that shit and especially dangerous in the MeToo era.

[–]T-P-T-W-P3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a spectrum. Some women will want to give head to anyone, it gets them off, and others are hesitant even for their ultimate Chad. With that in mind, it’s still more likely for them to blow you the higher value you are and the more they like you. The chick I’m currently banging essentially gets to the brink of orgasm by blowing me. Our general MO is she blows me for a few minutes as a warmup, then she cums basically as soon as we really start fucking, and then it’s whatever I want. No situation is the same, not every girl wants to blow me for their own pleasure. But the constant is women generally are more likely to do these things and act in deviant ways for men they deem to be of high value. Work on becoming high value and more women will want to suck you off and let you put it in their ass. Pretty straight forward.

[–]MagnumBurrito7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she refuses to give head, swallow or anal, does it mean she just doesn't like you that much?

She hasn't submitted to you as her leader yet. Once she does, she'll likely enjoy all those things with you.

If it's a one night stand and she's highly attracted to you, you can potentially do all these things too.

[–]Manny14005 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just about every girl I've been with has been different in bed: different turn-ons, enthusiasm, etc. I've only been with one that was an outright demon in the sack, who wanted to do everything and anything--even stuff I was hesitant to do! (one time she wanted to hold my cock while I pissed--not sure I would have even be able to do it)

Don't force the head down, and don't start up with the "suck my dick you whore!" talk--that won't go over well. Like others here said, gently lead her and ramp up the dirty talk a little later on.

Every girl I've been with (8) has given head. At least 5-6 of those swallowed. Pretty standard-fare these days. If a girl isn't into oral at all, you are going to get bored quickly.

According to studies, 40% of women have had anal. How many regularly have it? Don't know, but it isn't rare these days. My wife loves oral, but she isn't into anal at all (tried it a few times and it was good, but not her thing).

Some girls love erotic fiction, talking dirty, and even watching porn with their boyfriends. I like this stuff, as it is fun, but a lot of girls won't go there. Feminism is the big issue here. My wife is pretty good in the sheets, but she has no interest in this stuff, and it because she still has a head full of feminism from her college days. I'm working on it ...

You can't judge a girl's sexual skills after a couple encounters. Once she gets comfortable and you suggest new things, then you will find out what the limits are. Boring starfish sex? Next that hard.

But expecting the demon every time is unrealistic. I only encountered one.

[–]smgtn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But expecting the demon every time is unrealistic. I only encountered one.

Heh, reminds me of good old days. The wildest chick I ever had texted me by wrong number - she was looking for a car mechanic. Turned out she was in my city, the right age and cute. Within 3 hours of us meeting she was sucking and fucking me like there's no tomorrow and told me she prefers it up the ass. Then couple of days later I accidentally deleted her number - the worst day of my life 😆

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

one time she wanted to hold my cock while I pissed-

weirdest direct approach by a chick in a club years ago. chatting up a group of betties. excused myself (to go piss) and the landwhale of the group gets up, follows me to the single-person restrooms, put her hand on my shoulder as I'm walking in and says: "I wanna hold it while you piss" I LOL'd in her face and told her to go away. WTF, landwhale into waterworks.

[–]CassWCD1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why do you care what she likes or wants? If you are filtering for true attraction/desire then you can keep her coming back with minimal effort. If the enthusiasm isn’t there, then p & d.

[–]HypeBestiole1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If your SMV is great and especially greater than her she'll literally do anything for you.

[–]Lateralanouncer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When spinning plates. Basically. If a girl is shit in bed she will not be promoted beyond ons. If she is a plate then she will be replaced when I’m filtering my rotation. Ie. Plate that has morning sex. Will replace plate that does not.

[–]lookoutitscaleb1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Read the book Sex God Method by Daniel Rose

[–]dickcomments0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

(goes to Amazon)

$115 to $995 for the book...

[–]lookoutitscaleb1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's pdfs online for free.

RP ones too.

Let me find it one sec.

Here are most all the RP books you need to read:

http://archive.is/mRJXe

[–]dickcomments0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rock on, thanks!

[–]lookoutitscaleb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or just google.

Sex God Method PDF.

[–]bdwbdv[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I am, but from what I can see it doesn't quite align with TRP. It talks about shit like girlfriend, being emotional, telling her "I love you". Seriously, even many bluepillers don't do that shit.

[–]lookoutitscaleb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess you could argue it's Purple Pill.

For me personally I've gone from BP to RP to Black to Purple back to Red. The things in that book are truths that answer questions. Questions it seems you have. I think the point of RP and any theory/ philosophy at that is to try it out. Make mistakes. Try this try that continue to make mistakes until you've sculpted yourself into the man you want to be.

One thing can work for one person and not for you. That's why people constantly are talking about "internalizing RP". It's about doing whatever the fuck you want. Not living by other's rules. Making the rules. To be RP shouldn't be the goal. Using the RP to live should be.

Same thing with people making posts like "all I do is workout, work, life seems so empty" you can decompress and live life.

For me personally I've used the techniques in Sex God Method, and they work.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she refuses to give head, swallow or anal, does it mean she just doesn't like you that much?

Basically yes, or she's totally fucked up.

Some girls initiate oral themselves, but many don't. Does it mean they wait for you to tell them or bend their head down? What do you do if they refuse, fuck them and next them? Kick them out of bed?

Some initiate, some don't.

I've kicked girls out if they don't get with the picture, and it's a great thing to do for your self respect... BUT... ultimately you should act as if you have a million other options. Is there another girl you can go fuck tonight? Then do that. If not, then whatever.

Obviously though, don't keep seeing girls that don't satisfy you.

n bed, but only because those were the ones who won't tell you what they really want and expect you to figure out, which I rarely did and they didn't give me second chance.

Right, which is why you lead. You tell them what to do. If you're not having a great time, you just shrug, do something else, and don't see them again.

[–]Psyyko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It usually means she has not been properly trained. Most girls like this haven't been in relationships with dominant males and have been allowed for too long to be picky. I have never been with a girl who hasn't sucked me or swallowed. Even those who claimed they didn't like to do it. I'm usually just very promiscuous in the way i interact with them, which turns them on, and very dominant and bossy. Bordeline aggressive. Most girls are submissive by nature and won't question me during the sexual interaction.

[–]slamdunktiger861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmm... I really like getting my ass getting licked during the blowjob.

Suddenly this year, my LTR on several months stopped doing that altogether and stopped initiating oral.

She just wanted to be a pillow princess and take it while having me do all the work.

Uh, nope. Bye. This wasn't the only deal-breaker, but this was very distinct in my mind.

It foreshadowed other bigger examples of the lack of submission and as /u/i-am-the-prize put it, it demonstrated the lack of will to want to please me which I disliked.

She'd have 4-6 orgasms because of my efforts by the time I nutted, I thought it was getting unfair.

[–]peanutnipples1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like an asshole

[–]jsphere2560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Serious question. What the fuck is this post doing in this forum? No offense but this is like reading an issue of Cosmo.

Sexual intimacy is partner specific. You do you, she'll do what she wants to do, be happy together. If you're begging a woman for oral sex that's just sad.

[–]poortrait100-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What do you want soyboy? Do that.

[–]genital-love-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

try it out urself, theory only goes so far



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