There is no Team Girl

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March 29, 2015

This is a recurrent opinion by some on this sub, that there's a "Team Girl" whereby females put each other above men. I assert this is completely untrue, in fact false and backwards.

Girls hate each other. If they keep a wary eye on each other, they refer to that person as a "friend". If they trust her a little bit, she's a "best friend". If she thinks that trust doesn't have to be reevaluated frequently, it's "best friend forever". Sound like real closeness now? Nah I didn't think so. Women know the issues with women that we've learned at-a-distance, because they know their own character and grew up with other girls. And they have no better solutions than we do. In fact worse, there's no sexual attraction or desire to bond and raise a family together. The essence of the relationship with another woman is constant repulsion.

Why might a guy imagine there is a "team girl"?

(1) Women react similarly to given stimuli. AWALT, in other words. And if you see a bunch of women reacting similarly, especially in a way that's not favorable to you, you might feel ganged up on. And then you appear weak, and you get ridicule from them if anything, etc. If this happens in one's formative years, one can have serious damage to one's confidence, and feel that one must overcome a general problem with women, rather than just putting together a good 30 seconds to attract one woman one time.

(2) And augmenting (1) is the principle of social proof. Just the fact you aren't visibly successful with other women makes new women more skeptical. And if you get moody about it, this too seems worse than it is.

(3) Finally, there are those who will white-knight for women: white knight guys, and the government and courts. Women, by the AWALT principle, all enjoy receiving these goodies, and so they will form a team with those helpers. But actually the team isn't the girls, but the white-knight guys or the government. This should properly be called Team White Knight. The girls still hate each other.

But all it takes to overcome this is a good 30 seconds at the right time. You can do years of lifting to prepare for that 30 seconds, and dress well and have nice things, and those things have value in themselves. But if you approach women reminding yourself that they don't trust each other as far as they could throw them, and that you can provide a relief for them and they naturally desire you, you'll soon see there's no Team Girl, just individual girls with all their female issues.

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Title There is no Team Girl
Author cover20
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Date 29 March 2015 12:02 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]Nantafiria45 points46 points  (7 children) | Copy

Men get along on a personal level, and compete on a broad scale.

Women hate each other in person and cooperate on a broad scale.

Sports teams and national armies are very male institutes, and fellow soldiers and athletes generally. get along very well. But in both cases, the organisations compete fiercely against others like them, ones that aren't even so different at all. A man will get along with his friends very well, but be in various kinds of competition with men anywhere in the world at any time.

Women, in turn, get along awfully. The story of the all-woman media office gets shared here on TRP rather often. I personally know someone who tried to coach an amateur female hockey team for a season, and couldn't stand the retarded amount of drama that ensued. It is very rare for any pair of women to develop friendships as strong as those men will more often develop.

But on a broad scale, women cooperate very well. A woman being criticised or made fun of on the media will have others leap to her defence in the way no man will have other men come to his aid just for being a man. The MRA movement is far less succesful than feminism is in part because men don't care about men as a collective all that much, whereas most any woman will agree with many feminist tenets, even if she is smart enough to realise the specific label will net her flak. A man's genitals getting chopped off can get waved off with the words 'he deserved it' and circumcision can be widely practised in the US, but any woman even coming close to a similar fate elsewhere being called to mind is a Big Moral Issue and arguing 'she deserved it' there is victim blaming.

There is a team woman. It just operates on a very wide scale, and isn't bothered or disproved by high school cliques of women beng catty.

[–]TheFriendWithin7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think if a woman is called out as, say a slut, other sluts will jump to her defence because they are sluts too and they want to rationalize their own promiscuity.

Its a totally self centered action, its not about the woman under attack, its about their own image which may suffer as a result that they are defending.

This is probably true for obesity, deceit, you name it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see many skinny girls cheering for the fat girls to be accepted, but they sure love to say tiny tits are best. Fat girls defend other fat girls, maybe if one can be attractive, then all the fat girls can.

That's human nature showing through all the girl issues.

[–]1cover20[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think this teaming is observed via the action of Team White Knight. See if women in traditional societies react this way. I don't think so.

It's just the degradation of men (heavily influenced by insidious government and money power to be sure) that allows this sort of antisocial crap to flourish.

[–]1mojo_juju1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

the action of Team White Knight

I'd like to ask for some elaboration as per what you mean by "the action of Team White Knight"

I suppose you mean 1 guy WKing (white knighting). Then another 1 or 2 dudes chiming in to WK. But still.. I don't think it necessarily snowballs as much as feminism in their bullshit blogs.

There is not really the same "teaming" amongst WK's or men really (though we do see it in the MRM a bit) that compares to the teaming we see among women on some silly fucked up cafemom or jezebel article that preaches to a choir of myopic, selfish, sef-deluding (regarding the hypocrisy of feminism) anti-intellectuals who have little to no biological incentive to improve themselves/their value to society.

It's so crazy how quick women are to jump to conclusions naturally (perhaps via their supposed "intuition" aka "the feelz" ) and also how much they love to affirm consensus... consensus to me is dangerous, complacency, not pushing the edge... but for women it represents some weird ass matrix of conversational security or some shit...

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Safety in uniformity and numbers. Being singled out for something negative is the girls worst nightmare. They love praise, but to be told they were individually bad impacts them greatly. Imagine if girls played in the NFL, would they say the number of the chick who incurred the penalty? Some of us males enjoy notoriety and being singled out as the bad apple. Girls don't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

99.9 % of Men are like little bitches when another man who is above him & their female is around. They don't get along on a personal level unless they have already developed a bond. Women are the same when a attractive woman enters their man's territory.

[–]copralalic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If a man has a scarcity mentality, and another man threatens "his" mate, he will respond negatively. He still has close friends, until his wife systematically destroys his network, of course.

[–]exoduslife10 points11 points  (15 children) | Copy

Girls hate each other.

I saw this Friday: younger girl (accompanied by muscular boyfriend) got the evil eye from another woman.

They probably hate each other because they are competing for a scarce resource, in this case high SMV men. Men (RP men) don't have to compete with other men because we know "it's not my girl, it's just my turn" so it's easier for us to make friends with men that we meet than it is for women because men don't see women as a commodity like they see us.

Women don't have instances where they can bond with other women; girls' night out, shopping, baby showers, etc are all examples of women trying to show off something about themselves; men used to go off to war, fought and died with other men, men only had other men to rely on, that made us better at establishing friendships with the same sex as opposed to women.

[–]1cover20[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think it's more basic and chemical than that. Why isn't girls' night out an opportunity to bond? It sounds like it would be. It could be, if the women were inclined to bond.

And in my bluepill / ignorant days, I didn't know this and I assumed there was a lot of bonding. No woman will tell you different after all!

Consider how often lesbian relationships are violent. And this is between women who are, or choose to be, lesbian! There's a natural repulsion going on.

[–]icecow0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

IF they don't bond at those things (showers, girls night out, etc) then why do they do them so much?

[–]copralalic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Social obligation. They go to each other's showers because they expect those bitches at their shower, which will be even better, of course.

[–]RaiseOnce0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Validation. They need to reassure themselves that they have the best lives out of the group. Organizing such senseless get-togethers allows them to do recon.

Remember, validation is a helluva drug to them. They need to consistently know that they are the best out of their peer group. If one girl out of the group has a bigger house (paid for by the bb husband ofc), crab mentality kicks in, the group explicitly congratulate said girl while secretly hating and envying her.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

One of my plates notices the death glares she gets from every female when she's out with me. The chick behind the register at the gas station will be chatty and flirtatious with me, then mean and hateful towards my plate. She is viewed as a threat because she often looks better than the girls giving the evil eye.

I have another female friend who is a big girl, she doesn't get the glares. Instead she watches girls go out of their way to get my attention. They know she isn't a threat to them, but the preselection still functions the same. They know they have a better chance and assume I will pick them if I notice them. She is great, dependable, can count on her to help out moving heavy shit because she's burly as fuck. Yeah she wants me bad, but knows the score and what I'm attracted to.

I have another plate, thin, young, more attractive, she gets death stares, but the hotter girls are more interested in me. The preselection overrides the hate, they'd rather share an alpha than be rejected. These girls aren't as blatant as the ones trying to get my attention when I'm with my big friend.

Most men I am day to day friends with will guard their mates around me, which is a smart move if she isn't ugly, annoying, or uses/abuses drugs. The cock blocking by the younger guys is really amusing, as if I can't get my own.

[–]exoduslife0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

The cock blocking by the younger guys is really amusing, as if I can't get my own.

Yeah it's fun to see a young chap suddenly clutch at his girlfriends' arm or pull her aside to hug her.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

It's even funnier when they act tough, knowing full well I can hurt them easily. They bluster and bluff, and I smile at them and chuckle. The really timid guys get mad and don't approach me, but they take their girl away asap. Most of the time I'm not interested in the girls. If I am, the boyfriends and husbands rarely find out about me.

[–]exoduslife0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

They bluster and bluff, and I smile at them and chuckle.

I should try this sometime

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're not bigger or better trained in useful hand to hand, you'll probably get hit. Not many people want to fuck with a combat veteran with 20"+ arms, even if he is well under 6' tall. Drunks seem to, but sober or not that drunk guys won't push their luck. A 135lb guy with no experience in defending himself might have a different outcome.

[–]exoduslife0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, if you can't back it up, either with self-defence experience or a bigger physique it's wise not to do it.

In a situation like this, the girl probably gets double dose of the tingles to see two men facing off over her?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know if she gets more tingles, but I've never fucked the girlfriend of a guy I just overpowered or beat up. It's been a few years since anyone started shit with me though.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I've lived in various countries and I mostly work in cafes to get out of the house and in Ukraine I've noticed countless times how guys with a date don't want to sit anywhere near me and somewhat commonly the women are smiling at me when they have an opportunity. I think that even if the guy is hot stuff its just going to be that much more difficult if five feet away is another guy with possibly much higher value. Also at a certain point hot is hot enough for anyone and so often these babes could have a shot at anyone.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I've heard theres a million more women than men in Ukraine, is that true?

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not sure, but certainly more than men. Plus even on a hung-over day you will probably rate higher than half of the local men. Basically if you have historically been able to land hot women even here and there in the states then you will be able to get that here as well. For me anymore I can't play the game in the US and I just don't get along with them well and so its just not an option. Figure it something like that I've become radicalized from living in the larger world. I just don't jive with the shit-tests, the ideology, dreams or much else really. I've found that while back at home I feel very alienated and I now understand that back there I'm constantly having inadequacey projected onto me in what I now perceive to be ceaseless attacks. I end up making enemies of most American women and its better for me to just pretend that they don't exist. I just made the mistake of engaging with an American woman in the hostel and I heard her shit talking about me and how I'm a sex tourist (because she is a journalist looking for demons here and has researched the sex trade in Moldova). She is hot and I ignored her and so she had things to say about me. My dick just wouldn't be found in that and I blame myself for engaging at all with her as I already know about how they are. American women are at least as dangeorus over here as back home and because of that whole date up in the social order thing they tend to be frustrated when I don't go for them. More and more I'm appreciating scenes with little to no women in them at all like the outdoor gym. Yesterday a guy stripped down naked in the public and was swimming in the icy river. Thats rad. If one can handle American women then I'd say that there isn't necessarily more action over here but in between women I don't have to work to defend my character against being a creep or a loser. So I'm not receiving the nasty looks here for no reason that is common in California. The locals are not trying to break me down here. It feels really great because my emotional (spiritual) energy level and joy just keeps building since I'm not having to defend against constant subtle attacks and disapprovals. There isn't much on the planet that is as alientating for me as being around large groups of native-English speaking Westerners. The women are around everywhere and when I want one I go and try to have it. Its different though than back in California because I just feel better about myself here and I'm not coming from a place of needing to get sex and approval from a woman to counter all of the other shit that I'm getting from other hostile women. So ironically Ukraine is in many ways like Fight Club where another woman isn't necesarily what I need the most. Its being able to throw my arm around a dude while drinking and not have him pretend like he is cool with it but really just hoping that I'm not gay. I want to see a naked dude in public because why the fuck not. I'm only suiting up in order not to offend other people and really I'd be better off just showing off my big cock and nice body. Nobody here is trying to tell me shit that I'm afraid of a "strong woman". What is that nonsense? Yeah plus I like the erotic massages with hot 20 something year old chicks here and there. I'm in a big mens club and saving my commitment and not feeling like a loser in the meantime.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a bud, nearly the ultimate beta, has only fucked three girls in his 48 years. He's been there six times, can't get laid, can't pay them to fuck him. I pulled two Russian girls while stationed in Korea without even trying. They hit on me.

I've been considering going back to Europe for a while, was stationed in Germany in the 80s and early 90s. Had a great time, and now without the travel restrictions it would be even better. Like you I'm tired of American women, they straight up suck ass. Too bitchy, entitled, fat, demanding, and flaky as hell. Around here they only need to be thin to be hot, then the attitude and drug use remove them from the "would fuck" category.

I've avoided California entirely, traveled to most other states, Europe and Asia were infinitely better. I like living here because of my car thing, but when it comes to women, I'd rather have one from somewhere else. I can get to Europe or Asia on a military hop for nothing, then trains or planes to get around, but I need to learn more Russian and German. I'd rather pass myself off as a German than American in most cases, since I look the part and my family came from there.

[–]notrustled8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

if there's any kind of teaming up among females, it's only conditional - it's similar to the case with ethnic minorities.

members of a minority group (be it blacks, gypsies, whatsoever) tend to fight each other when they're among themselves. but as soon as the majority group comes in? that's when things usually take a 180. from that point, the rivals might become friends as long as there's the common threat against them. "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

so yes, women fight each other out of jealousity, over some guy, etc., but when a 3rd party comes in, it's a different story. so basically yes, team girl doesn't exist, but don't think they can't gang up against you.

women's organizations work possibly because the common threats (you already know what I'm talking about, don't you?) outweigh the conflicts of interest between the individuals of the group.

[–][deleted] 6 points6 points | Copy

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[–]kinklianekoff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Underrated comment. OP is correct in that there is no loyalty to team girl. Women will never ever put other womens interests before her own(perhaps except descendants). That doesn't mean that structures can't arise where there is temporary allegiances because there is a benefit to all participants. The society scale trend much talked about here, usually called Feminine Primacy is just that, a small but significant incremental tipping of scales towards feminine interests, because they will eventually give a benefit back to the individual.

It's just the modern manifestation of women and children first, which makes perfect sense in an evolutionary context, but is in dire need of revision in todays relatively evolutionary sterile environment.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Already said eloquently by my favorite alpha.

Special thanks to Mike Moye!

[–]1mojo_juju5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

confirmatory, anecdotal, and pertinent field report:

Arrived at GF's apt 10 mins early while her 2 female roomates were there. She said she felt kind of weird about it.

Then, I did it again (was helping one of her roommates w/ a project that I specialize in. Decided to show up a little early to help knock it out). This time about 15-20 mins early. She had a very serious talk to me about how she did not like me coming over when she isn't there and that it makes her uncomfortable.

I.e. she doesn't trust her roommates i.e. she doesn't trust them not to flirt with me / she has potential jealousy of them possibility developing anything with me...

[–]SuperSlavisWife2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I propose that some women do operate assuming there is a Team Girl and do try and actively work as a group against males because I keep getting invited to join in.

Sisters who start to vilify their partners, friends and coworkers and invite you to join in, even if you don't know the man. A social group that grows bitter when you defend a man they want to attack, be he a wronged Beta or an Alpha who annoyed them. There is an underlying assumption some women make that you will side with them because gender. Without saying too much, it even goes as far as a man's own female relatives trying to get his partner to join in on attacking his current job choice (even asking her to withdraw support and essentially sabotage it) and making it personal when she doesn't side with Team Girl.

Yes, it's annoying and confusing when you want no part in it. No, not all women do it, but it's common enough. No, I can't see what they expect to gain from it. But it happens.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who of us in the professional world haven't seen men have to step in and referee bitch drama in HR or Purchasing? Just as OP said...women in an office environment flock together but have TWICE as many inter-personal issues with each other than they do with the other men. Add a few roaming alpha fux into the mix and ho-lee-shit.

[–]nomad-oz2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was out at a club met and asked girls to my 25th birthday party after a 5min chat. When they showed up one had a blue ribbon tied around her waist and said she was my present. The party had 80 people and co-indecently another girl showed up also with a blue ribbon with the same offer. Although they never spoke they somehow instantly knew the deal and worked to win my interest. The first girl won by practically dragging me off to my bedroom to stake her claim.

On the Tuesday after the party her GF shows up at my door DTF. Two girls were competing for me so she wanted some also.

ps. Blue Ribbon girl was a single mom and became a regular no fuss Monday night plate for 18mths until I left town. Her GF dropped by for 5 weeks till she met a guy.

Women are like cats. They hiss at each other when you're not looking. You can't trust them. They cheat on each other. They Cheat on you if the opportunity presents it's self.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I question your point about the courts. Although certainly there has been an attitude swing in government, worldwide no less, contemporary criminology suggests the "chivalry principle" is not as clear cut as one may assume. Although the chivalry principle (the principle that a male judge will set forth a lesser sentence for a female offender compared to a male committing the same crime as part of an internal bias) holds true for minor crimes, indictable offences are entirely different. For the same crime, with the same aggravating or mitigating factors, women are actually more harshly punished. Apart from this particular issue in your post, I completely agree.

[–]1cover20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you have a link about the punishments for indictable crimes? It would certainly be news to me.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of death row girls out there compared to life or years. Need to back that up sparky. Man and woman do the same crime together, man always gets harsher sentence.

[–]bustanutmeow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would be interested in some case studies as well.

[–]1DRMMR760 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There might not be a Team Girl but there is a Girl Alliance. If you've ever worked in a primarily male environment that has some females, like the military, it is painfully obvious that females will go to great lengths to help each other out over men. Especially when it means fucking over a man. I call it an alliance because alliances can be broken and each party still has their own interests on top. Females will always think of themselves first and throw that same girl who helped them under the bus if they need to. But if Girl A has to make a decision whether to help Girl B or Guy A, even if guy A is way more qualified, Girl A will pick Girl B every time. Again, I'm in the military and I see it everywhere. Female "soldiers" always wind up doing the office work, which is where real decisions are made. A male soldier's paperwork gets lost while a female, who happens to be friends with the officer worker female, doesn't. A male soldier with more qualifications gets told he can't do something or can't go to a training school for [insert bullshit reason] and then next month finds out the female admin NCO in charge of making that decision put another female in for it. It happens all the fucking time. And don't get me started on backing each other up, even to the point of lying under oath, to nail males with false sexual harassment claims.

[–]GalacticEarwax0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's definitely team alliance..which is basically like "bro code". It's unwritten rules not based on friendship but on a societal coding.

[–]copralalic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is no "girl code" -- just "bitch politics". ~Dante Nero

[–]RPthrowaway1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Never try to understand women. Women understand women, and they hate each other!" - something my dad said once

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Team White Knight

That's a very good observation.

Women are incapable of teamwork because they use Hypergamy to CLIMB and then EXPLOIT the heirarchy which men provide.

The Misandry Bubble collapses when the Betas become so disoriented as to not even be of value as Beta Bucks. (fewer Divorce Rape opportunities)

The White Knights are the backbone of Feminist support. Every time one of them is spit out of the system is weakens it even more.

We say:

"Kill the Beta"

...but of more value we desire to:

"Kill the White Knight."

...keep in mind that for now we are talking about getting these deluded males to wake up and abandon thier cause. But after the Misandry Bubble collapses we might see literal assassination of White Knights in the future.

Putin has White Knights assassinated.

So we need to see where this process ultimately goes in the future. It's important to stress we are not looking to create any more physical injury than necessary. At this point in the West the actual assassination of White Knights will only create sympathy and will stimulate the victimization ideology further.

So kids... no assassinations please.

[–]ramaga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The definition of a misogynist: A man who hates women as much as other women do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women know women and they hate each other

The reason the management framework of corporations consist of mostly men is because the whole thing breaks down with too much female-female interaction. You can safely have one woman on the board, but you can't have three.

Men who can't stand each other can still form billion dollar corporations together. They can both be generals in the same army and do the best job anyone could. All of this because in men, logic trumps emotion and in women it's the other way around.

[–]JaxSwagger-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I can't for the life of me find the study I'm thinking of, but it is around. Pretty sure I've seen Rollo reference it on a number of occasions.

Basically, there is a study that shows that the opposite is actually true, women are biased towards other womens opinions, where men show no bias towards another mans opinion. This is how you get ridiculous shit like 15 years ago ask any woman whether they liked a man with a beard she's say he was a rapist because "He's trying to hide something". That shit was pushed in a couple of magazines by feminist journalists and next thing you know women all around the world thought beards were no longer attractive.

Now a few mangina hipsters start growing beards whilst still maintaining their enlightened and progressive pro-feminist stance and all of a sudden beards are cool again. Moustaches are more associated with women than men these days, again, instagram-feminists denying men anything that could possibly be restricted to men and men alone. Even biology. So now we have, after centuries of bitching, women who say Öh women are totally just as sexual as men, that's why you shouldn't judge me for sleeping around!

In short, women are a hivemind. Men are not.

[–]1cover20[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't evaluate this until I see the study. Hope it turns up.

But while women may well be a hivemind, this does not mean they are a team. Hivemind is just, empirically, observed by seeing that they react similarly. That's also explainable by AWALT: rather than communicating in some special way, they are independent but identical copies in the sense of their reactions to many stimuli.

Certain stimuli, involving more than one woman, can show the difference. Game strategy includes approaching "sets" and using psychology of one girl against another. This is reported to work pretty well, but if they were acting as a team or even with much communication, it would not work.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't know if this is what you are referring to, but it is commonly known that women have a strong own-sex bias. Men do not have this, they are either egalitarian or almost as strongly biased in favour of women as women are. This is the problem for our society, hence white knights and feminism. For an entry into the relevant literature, you could start at

[–]JaxSwagger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that's it mate! I'll have to remember the term 'Own sex bias'.


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