What Will Bring "Good Men" Back?

ClockworkOrange92618 · 2018-07-05T22:06:10+00:00

You all are wasting your time trying to answer this question. Whenever a post-wall moron cries, "Where are all the good men?", what she is really asking is "Where are all the men I want?"

You cannot control what women want, and you shouldn't try. As men, our only reasonable options boil down to:

Become what women want (Chad, Tyrone, etc.)
Ignore and disengage

That said, society has gotten to a point where women have too much control, and it will only get worse before it gets better (if it gets better). Women fighting over the top 20% of men will turn into them fighting over the top 5% sooner or later, and women as a whole won't bother trying to fix the system to allow "good men" to be good men because they don't care about what "good men" want. They care about what they want, and what they want are Good Men^TM

And if the women want Good Men, rather than try and make it happen for themselves, all they can do is ask "Where are all the Good Men?"

rpbanker · 2018-07-05T20:37:02+00:00

Women need to understand that despite what their girlfriends tells them wild hair colors, tattoos, piercings are not cute. It might be fun when you're 22, but when you're 32 it just looks obnoxious. Certain women can pull the look off well past 32, but understand that likely you're not one of them.

To the beaver pelt collectors, no man really gives a shit about your collection of college degrees if they're not helping you earn money. Who really goes to college, graduates and decides they want to be a barista?

Traksimuss · 2018-07-05T20:39:52+00:00

I would also add that some men understand the risk of getting married at an old age. It's likely I will never get married or even live together at my age because the risk of losing everything. The plantation offers no second chances after a certain point

sleepyweaselisawake · 2018-07-05T23:33:41+00:00

The good (read: smart) men have moved on. A relationship is a zero sum accomplishment. What man ever truly benefits from a relationship? What do men have to gain? All I ever got was steady sex until I found myself suddenly single and heard from friends the girl I was dating had a new BF a week later. Fast forward some years.. and I don't want a relationship nor do I need one.

The good men? We're still out there. We're swiping right and you're sleeping with us, but you're not getting commitment from us because you don't deserve it.

TheYekke · 2018-07-05T21:20:02+00:00

To quote Mr. Spock : “interesting but irrelevant”. As defined by the side found wanting ‘good men’ equals our archetype Chad or Tyrone. It does not encompass a good provider, nor any loyal husband. Where are all the good men is a phrase that should instantly disqualify, and if we men are realistic, describe promiscuous women that were never relationship material. This subreddit chronicles the spinster bubble, poking fun of a society in a tailspin destined to see a population decline of epic proportion.

[deleted] · 2018-07-05T22:00:07+00:00

Amazing work. I'll add some ideas for both men and women:

There are literally billions of people in the world who there who would be jealous of your post-"spark" marriage. Not feeling like a lovesick teenager isn't proof that something is wrong. Think of all the people in arranged marriages, who don't have a dowry or bride price, married a cousin because of their culture, partied until 36 and became cat ladies, etc.
Dont try to be close friends with members of the opposite sex. There's just going to jealousy with each other's spouses, one-way crushes and orbiting, and other drama. If you're the rare exception why not just get married? (see above)
Assign blame to yourself first. Imagine yourself as a neutral third party evaluating the situation. Chances are if girls are treating you like an emotional tampon or only assholes uninterested in commitment approach you, you're doing something to encourage it.
Too much free time is as bad as too little.
Unless you're 100% convinced there's no spirits or God, join a faith community. It's a great social experience and gives a primal feeing of carrying on a tradition if nothing else.

where_muh_good_mens · 2018-07-05T20:55:38+00:00

What is a Good Man?

A Good Man defends himself and his country from all enemies domestic or otherwise.

A Good Man sacrifices himself with his blood and sweat for his Freedom and allows no other man to claim ownership of his time, energy, labor, or property.

A Good Man stands firm on his principles, has honor, and loyalty with his Friends and Business Partners.

A Good Man leads by his example and does not allow his will to be altered by outside opinion unless he too, has researched the opposition to his own.

A Good Man does not allow himself to be subjugated by those around him and only ever keeps the wants and needs of women as suggestions in order to remain as objective as possible to what is necessary.

What kind of Society creates Good Men?

A Society that encourages male dominance and masculine defenses.

A Society that is ran by Men for the purposes of creating strong family ties and united Christian values.

A Society that ensures all people understand their rights and how they can use them to their advantage.

A Society that fosters individual prosperity by making taxes negligible or non-existent.

A Society that encourages municipal education, small working groups of people, and individual identity and association.

How do we create a society that encourages Good Men to thrive?

The Individual Man must study Law, how it is used, and how to apply it.

The Individual Man must understand God's Law, how to make himself governed by it, and how to use it to create His Sovereign Work.

The Individual Man must have humility and become meek in the face of his enemies.

The Individual Man must access divine power by relinquishing his own. He must make his authority a supernatural one of his own understanding, rather than a man made one created to enslave him.

The Individual Man must work hard on himself, understand who he is, help those that do not, and create a community that thrives by utilizing each others strengths.

What will happen if Men do not do these things?

Man will continue being divided among his brothers and among his interpersonal relationships with his family.

Man will continue to look out for himself and make it more difficult to accomplish his goals.

Man will continue applying force to take back the power he so readily gave up, and will continue to fail at doing so.

Man will ensure he can not change his world for the better, because he is always keeping his head above water.

Man will fail to make provisions for the success of future generations, as he inadvertently sells out all future equity of his children and grandchildren by continuing to spend frivolously on the interests of his enemies rather than his own.

comptejete · 2018-07-05T23:44:25+00:00

"Feminism didn't remove the shackles women thought they were wearing, it removed the shackles men didn't know they were wearing".

I'm a good man, but I'm not going to share that with a woman. While women remain the reproductive bottleneck for humanity, men are never going to stop being disposable, so they are best advised to act in their own best interest first.

Your advice to women is completely irrelevant. We are a sexually dimorphic species and almost all men are stronger than almost all women, therefore by definition, anything that women do is something men have either consciously or by omission allowed them to do. What you want is the return of male self-respect and a collective refusal to tolerate behavior deemed inappropriate.

WorkingNail · 2018-07-06T00:20:03+00:00

Part 1 of my post:

There is, which is usual for your writing, a lot to think about in here. I want to take this opportunity to tell you that I really enjoy reading what you write. I don't always agree with all of it, but it is always thoughtful and well written. Kudos.

I'd like to start with what I agree with in your post, and afterward, ask you some questions about the rest. I can't say that I agree or disagree with the rest without more input from you. It seems from your post that you are ready for discussion, so I hope I'm interpreting that piece correctly.

--A return to voluntary men-only spaces. If men want men only spaces, they should be permitted to have them, free of legal interference.

Absolutely. Women demand their "women only" zones and quite frankly have no right to demand to be let into "men only" zones. The reason they demand entry is because they are insecure about what is going on inside those zones. I consider that their problem that they don't have enough sense of self and security to allow themselves to be excluded. I feel a touch of irony as I write this; a female inside a male-dominated sub. Although you guys haven't taken the steps to make this male only (at least not yet) it is obvious that this is mainly a male space to come for conversation. You guys have been welcoming and friendly to me for the most part, and I do appreciate that. There is a benefit here to you guys in that you can point to your interactions with me when the feminists come screeching for your heads. The very fact that you guys are polite and frequently engage in discussion with me is proof positive that their suppositions about the sub are not 100 percent correct.

-remove all hostility to boys in public and private education.

Another great point. I am not sure what you mean by hostility, as that can take many different forms, but one immutable truth is that we are poisoning and drugging our children. ADHD is the label slapped on children when the teachers want to erase individuality and normal kid behavior. I find this action extremely hostile toward our children. I have linked an article from Esquire magazine that details just how often adults shove schedule 2 (the same as oxycodone and morphine) drugs down our children's throats. Then we wonder why there is such a drug abuse problem in this country. From the age of five, kids are told that they aren't "normal" unless they take these pills. What does that do to a child's psyche, quite apart from the chemical bath that their developing brains soak in daily? I could go on and on about this topic, but suffice it to say that there is yet another form of child abuse running rampant in this country.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/

My post is too long, so I have to break it into a few pieces. I tend to get carried away, so thanks for reading my novel.

Edit: to number my posts as it was too long to post in one piece.

WorkingNail · 2018-07-06T00:22:06+00:00

Part 3 of my post:

Women:

--Stop complaining, nagging and bitching

Women do this because they fail to fully develop their skills in being assertive. I believe that we all start out knowing how to be assertive. Assertive simply means asking for or stating what you want clearly, concisely, and without rancor. Kids know how to do this. "Hey, I want that cookie." "Hey, I want to go over to the park." Somewhere along the way, girls/women lose this ability to be direct and clear. Along with this loss is the fear, unspoken and not always consciously acknowledged, that if we are too direct, you guys won't find us feminine and appealing anymore. Women compensate for this by complaining, nagging, bitching and dropping hints. Obviously this leads to great frustration on both sides.

--Stop the nuclear rejections and shame women who do them

--When you reject a man, do so firmly and finally, but discreetly and quietly

Encouraging women to be kind and direct in their rejections is paramount. Rudeness and breaking someone's heart should never be celebrated and should never be acknowledged as a positive. Women need to take a step back and ask themselves how they would feel if they were rejected over and over again in such a crude and hostile manner. They'd probably become angry and resentful over time, and develop major trust issues toward men.

--Look for a man to lock down for marriage early - leverage your youth, fertility and good looks to find a Man early, instead of later.

-If you want to be promiscuous, that's OK. Just accept the slut shaming that goes with it. Accept that you will not find more attractive men as you age. Accept that you will have to settle. Accept all the consequences following your decision and don't complain about them. Good Men and Men who are Good at Being Men will respect your decisions, even if they don't respect you.

If the goal is marriage, children, and a stable family with a kind and caring husband, this is absolutely correct. Women who decide that they'd rather play the field can do whatever they want, but it is a shame that no one is telling them that they are missing out on a far more fulfilling and loving experience. Women who claim they want to be loved, but give themselves away to anyone who asks, are damaging their reputations terribly. Word gets around, even as young as high school. I have one kid that is done with high school and one that has one year left, and they both have told me that while they are kind to these types of girls, they would never consider dating them long term. I suspect that they are not the only two boys who feel that way, even at their young ages.

--roll back no fault divorce, allow only "fault" divorce, and outlaw alimony in all cases. Institute child support reform so that support is based on actual costs used to support child(ren) and not based on percentages of the payee's income

Yes. Child support and alimony need to be reformed. I know a woman who has three different children from three different fathers, and gets alimony and child support from all three of them. She sits on her ass all day and collects money and actively plots how to get more. She monitors her exes' lives closely, so if they get another job that pays more money, she hauls them into court so she can get extra every month. Women like this disgust me and, I suspect, disgust everyone except for other women that are just like them. Why should she get alimony instead of getting off her ass and finding a job? She gets it because the system allows her to, and the other part of this that is so loathsome is that she isn't a very good mother. Her kids basically babysit themselves by virtue of TV, and she sees them as nothing more than little walking wallets.

WorkingNail · 2018-07-06T00:20:47+00:00

Part 2 of my post:

--roll back "affirmative consent" and "enthusiastic consent" laws, and return to "no means no"

Yes. There have been far too many careers ruined and reputations damaged. We need a straightforward system between men and women, and we also need to recognize that abuse to males from females happens. Men are laughed at and shamed when they share that they have been forced into sexual encounters that they didn't want, and that needs to stop. The whole world is supposed to stop when a woman brings forth an accusation, and if women want true equality, they had better start treating males who speak their truths as they would treat a female.

--encourage boys into individual and team sports, without girls' involvement

Boys need a place to be boys, a place to learn how to deal with defeat and also to deal with winning. They also need a place in which they can learn how to deal with other boys, boys that are growing into men and learning their place in the hierarchy. Girls need this too, but the ways they do these things are different and need to remain separate. I had two boys in ice hockey for many, many years and the team dynamic was drastically different when girls were on the team. The boys played just as rough as they would have without any girls on the team, and they were chastised for it by some of the parents. There was an all girls hockey team available with an excellent coach, who deserved a medal for putting up with some of the premenstrual, histrionic shit that I saw. Girls crying, girls throwing skates, girls plotting how to revenge on someone who hit them (body checking is not allowed in female youth hockey, but it happened anyway) or stole the puck. Some of the other girls didn't want any part of that and so decided to join the boys' team, which I understand because I couldn't have tolerated that stuff either, but there was just too much physical risk. Boys play rough, and ice hockey is one of the rougher youth sports. My boys came home drenched in sweat and covered in bruises, and they absolutely loved it. The boys felt that they couldn't play to their potential and have as much fun when they had to watch out for body checks and things like that. Girls, and women, just have to accept that boys are stronger and play rougher.

WorkingNail · 2018-07-06T00:26:59+00:00

Part 4 of my post:

Now for my questions:

--Single mothers should not be allowed. Any woman who bears a child out of wedlock should be required to give that child up for adoption. Single mothers should be barred, or at least very strongly discouraged, from raising boys alone.

I am curious to your answer on this. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that she really loved the guy and thought that he loved her in return. She's young and naive, and doesn't realize the fear that her pregnancy has engendered in the guy. He takes off, leaving her alone without any emotional or monetary support. She is devastated by his leaving, but she becomes more and more enthralled with the child growing inside of her, feeling his kicks and flips, and feeling her body change as it goes into overdrive to nurture him. She delivers the baby and has it taken from her. What about the emotional devastation this young new mother would feel? I feel like this would rip her apart emotionally and mentally.

I can't even begin to imagine the sense of loss and heartache she would feel, and I guess I can't really describe the bond that comes from growing and nurturing another human being inside of you for nine months, only that it is incredibly powerful and all consuming. Of course, I am talking about a new mother who actively wanted her child, and swore to herself and the heavens above that she'd go to the ends of the Earth to provide for him. We both know that there are plenty of women who regard the new life, the new child, as a parasite and an unwanted burden. I'm not talking about those women.

--in divorces, custody should default to the father, especially for sons.

I have to assume that you aren't saying this as an absolute--that no matter what, it should go this way. I would guess that you would make allowances for abusive, alcoholic or drug addicted fathers, but I wanted to clarify.

--women need to be excluded from the process. Women cannot make men who are good at being men. Women should not be allowed to do the work, influence how the work is done, watch the process, or even be present during the process.

--Dads, sit down and teach your sons about male and female nature, and what women find sexually attractive in men, WITHOUT involvement from Mom

I admit to being puzzled. If we are talking about a traditional family, with Dad and Mom present throughout the child's upbringing, the process of creating a man starts from childhood. If Mom is living in the house, how can she not be part of that process? Perhaps I am misreading or misinterpreting your comment. If you've read this far, :-) I would be interested in learning exactly what you mean.

I do agree that Dad should have plenty of talks with his son about what behavior he should and should not tolerate from not only women, but from other men. There are things that only Dad can relate to in a young man's life and his counsel is invaluable to a growing boy. If Dad does not provide it, he might pick it up from sources that are less than proficient in the subject.

--Start slut shaming women again

I feel like returning to the days in which older women with successful marriages and families of their own passed down their wisdom to their daughters. I don't know if this happens anymore. It seems like the advice young women get today is to be as sexually active with as many partners as they want. As you noted above, if that is the way they want to live, that is fine and dandy, but they had better be prepared for the consequences. Young women are not being told the value of what they have anymore; the value of being selective and chaste. I was told repeatedly growing up, in a very straightforward manner, by my many brothers and my mother that guys were not into sluts for anything long term. My older brothers would sneer at me if they thought I was dressing too suggestively and ask me if I needed a ride into Chicago (we lived about a half hour away from downtown) because Rush Street had some openings for hookers. In their own blunt way, they were looking out for me.

Now that you've read my book, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Again, I like your writing style and enjoy reading what you post. I hope you keep these article-type posts up!

unpluggedoasis · 2018-07-05T23:25:09+00:00

They aint coming back.

SirKolbath · 2018-07-05T21:13:47+00:00

Lewis, this might go well in the /WhereAllTheGoodMenAre sub as well.

Cissnowflake · 2018-07-05T21:14:14+00:00

Brilliant. Post saved.

u_dwg · 2018-07-06T00:27:25+00:00

Until single motherhood, taxes, female promiscuity, child support/alimony, and most importantly feminism is brought to a heed, “good men”will not be returning. Why would I sign away half of my savings/fortune to some untrained woman when I can get whatever she has to offer anyway? I can pay a nominal weekly fee for everything from food service, dry cleaning, cleaning lady, and get sex from different women pretty much whenever I want to put in the effort. Men are waking up to this. And the numbers speak for themselves. Marriage rates and birth rates are plummeting.

B_P_G · 2018-07-06T06:04:16+00:00

Institute child support reform so that support is based on actual costs used to support child(ren) and not based on percentages of the payee's income

This would be huge. The percentage thing is just ridiculous and it has no logical basis.

With that said, I'd go one step further. Custody should be 50/50 with no support by default unless one of the parents is obviously unfit (i.e. they've committed a major crime or something) or they waive their right to custody.

toysjoe · 2018-07-06T00:29:55+00:00

Absolutely not a fucking thing.

Women’s nature has always been a lie. It was just always well hidden. Now that it’s out in the open, we can’t go back to the way things were.

civilizedfrog · 2018-07-06T05:00:29+00:00

I can answer this in two words. SHARIA LAW /s

IntrovertedMagma · 2018-07-06T15:08:54+00:00

I think before we talk about how we bring the "good" men back, we need to agree on the definition of a good man..

I feel most WAHMYN mean by "good" is the top 20% of men ONLY. When WAHMYN reach 30, they can secure a man easily but they don't.. WHY? because they want the top 20% males to settle with a roastie..

Why would the rest 80% of men work hard if most WAHMYN ignore them?

I mean look at this 6 feet tall phenomenon.. this is by itself is a huge problem. What are the rest of men supposed to do? why would they be part of this fucked up society who sees solely them as a height measurement?

Sol_Install · 2018-07-06T18:11:50+00:00

Thing is, what we see now ruins it for being a "Good Man." What's the point? Women are more likely to be rude, nasty, and combative if you are a respectful man. Be a guy who beats women and abandons his children? She'll bitch about it yet she will be nastier to the Good Man because he doesn't get her panties wet. And you see it on here all the time.

Being the man that benefits society is not the man women want. Men want the Female Validation. They want to the guy she wants to bang on her break. They want to be the guy she'll do anything for. For instance, let's say one of your parents died. If you are the Chad/Tyrone, she's more likely to show more emotional support. What happens if you are Mr. Good Man Provider? Less likely to get support. You might get sex but you won't get sex like the Bad Boy she is genuinely attracted too. And you see it on here. They only want the Good Man when their looks are fading, they don't want to work, they have kids they cannot afford, have a ton of debt, ruin their life and don't want to fix it, they want a Good Man.

The Good Man gets the worse of her. Her debts, her never ending financial desires, the worse less passionate sex, more nagging and bitching (because she wants you to fix her life all on your own), expected to work much harder and be more responsible than her and her sperm donors. Bad enough? No, it gets worse. Because many men are taken to the cleaners post divorce and many men fear losing so much in a divorce. Guess what happens? Women push for marriage anyway. Because they want your money yet do not want to play alimony themselves and are more likely to support a pre nup if they have something to lose. How do you marry a woman like that? Same thing applies to DNA testing. Same thing applies to the double standard. She can slap you but you can't slap her. You want to marry something like that? Someone who laughs at men getting their dicks cut off?

There is no reward or incentive to be the Good Man at all. And when they want a Good Man, they spent their prime lives banging men who treat them badly. You would rather take a car used yet pay more than the double the original price? Our society allows women to do what they hate men for. And many show it. Even on a minor scale. You complain? You're mocked. She complains? You're expected to be supportive and understanding. Again, why be the Good Man? She'll never fuck you like she does the Bad Boys. She only wants you around to be responsible and make her life easier. And if she was younger, no kids, etc. she wouldn't bother with you.

Schraelnick · 2018-07-09T17:38:59+00:00

I'm not coming back

Philhelm · 2018-07-09T22:23:46+00:00

Good women.

frikabg · 2018-07-06T03:22:34+00:00

I think you are going(unintentionally)in a direction which a lot of people are in these days and what I mean is that you seem to be putting the majority of the responsibility of 'fixing' this on men.

First I want to say that a world where 2 or more of those things exist will not happen at least in my lifetime. With that being said I want to add only 1 thing and that is to actually educate women in school what their role for the creation of a good stable family is and how they can do their part because a lot of the issues that we are currently observed are coming from miscommunication coming from the feminist front.

I also have 1 remark about the situation where a mother has a child. I am all for a punishment for those reckless women but it seems to me that your suggestion will fuck the children as well by putting them in foster homes. What I would suggest is to give the child to the close relatives of the woman and only if she has none to give the child for adoption. That way you will create an incentive for the family to have incentive of looking after the interests of their children as well as keeping the women in check.

JohnQPubliq · 2018-07-06T23:23:49+00:00

You have to take women's rights away. Strip them of the right to vote and the right to own property. Thats the only way you fix things. Anything else is re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic and you are deluding yourselves. Your civilization is dying and nothing short of a full reset to hard patriarchy will stop it. wake. the. fuck. up.

kyledontcare · 2018-07-06T23:42:17+00:00

None of this matters even though it's true because there have been no changes to divorce laws that I'm aware of. The perfect angel who does convince you to get married could still divorce you after she's popped out two kids and you're a slave for 18-22 years and then maybe still pay alimony for life.

oh_no_aliens · 2018-07-12T23:36:11+00:00

My thoughts? Stop being a harpy cunt, ladies, and let men be men. Society worked just fine for thousands of years when men AND women knew their roles. Feminism literally destroys families, society AND civilization.

justtenofusinhere · 2018-07-12T23:50:16+00:00

Institute child support reform so that support is based on actual costs used to support child(ren) and not based on percentages of the payee's income

No, eliminate child support. Start off with a 50-50 split time share status between the parents. Each is bearing the cost of the child(ren) 50% of the time, nothing can be more equal.

If you can't afford even that, then shift the time-share split until you can. You can only afford to cover the costs of the chil(ren) 25% of the time? Then that's all the time you get with them. As your capacity to provide increases, so will your time until you're back at the 50-50 mark.

This auto-incorporates opportunity for improvement. If you've spent years being a SAHM, then you need to freedom to focus on education and career. Only having the little one's around 10% of the time provides you with that plus the little reqward bonus of visits here and there.

Only if you don''t wan't the kids 90% of the time would child support come in to play. You cannot voluntarily lower your share below 50%, but if you want, you can subsedize the other partent's time. Say they can only afford 10% but you want them to have 50%, then you're paying for the other 40%-and the other parent has to take it and the children.

Let's see how the women like those apples.

liljawa · 2018-07-05T20:33:05+00:00

I am a married man with a child and this is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

That's just my thought though.

khrawn · 2018-07-06T08:06:33+00:00

What is a nuclear rejection?

Title	What Will Bring "Good Men" Back?
Author	LewisCross
Upvotes	60
Comments	59
Date	July 5, 2018 8:23 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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What is a Good Man?

What kind of Society creates Good Men?

How do we create a society that encourages Good Men to thrive?

What will happen if Men do not do these things?