Please help me understand

telnet_reddit_80 · 2013-05-06T17:03:49+00:00

I still do not quite get what this forum's feelings on women are.

Forums don't really have feelings. It's also not about mood affiliation. Feelings people here have are not all that relevant even if an occasional rant makes its way to the top of the sub.

I've also read many posts where women are spoken of disparagingly

Many women deserve to be spoken of disparagingly.

It's like that, if you listened to guys complaining about cars or computers, you could be led to believe that they hate those fucking machines that bring them nothing but frustrations. It would not usually be the right conclusion.

Same here. You're listening in on some gutter shop talk.

[deleted] · 2013-05-06T18:20:11+00:00

I was in a relationship with a woman that displayed all the negative characteristics discussed here; childishness, lack of emotional maturity or control, physical aggression, dishonesty, always claiming the moral high ground, hamstering, double standards, etc and after it ended and I started dating I realized how many of those traits are not just common but accepted and how wrong men are for even pointing it out.

I don't hate women, I've got a number of great female friends and an amazing girlfriend but I'm shocked that so many people accept such behavior as part of the dating process.

redpillschool · 2013-05-06T16:37:57+00:00

A planet forms from floating debris in space, on on it, things exist. Some become autonomous. Some not.

On this planet exist a stone and a man.

What gives a stone value? It has no inherent value. Indeed, the term value is, in a universe sans consciousness, meaningless.

However a man may find use in the stone with which to build a shelter. This man has found value in this stone. The stone, itself being non-sentient, has no way to determine value, and therefore does not hold within itself a concept of self-value.

The man, however, through the experience of being sees value in himself, as without his being, he can no longer experience. This would be the most intrinsic value to any living being. The value of self.

Fast forward hundreds of years. Two men find a stone.

The first man sees the stone and the possibility to utilize it to build himself a home. To him, the rock has great value.

The second man already has a home, and sees no possible utility for the stone.

Has the second man somehow changed the value of the stone for the first? Has either made any indication of this stone's objective inherent value? Alas, there is no framework in which all members of a system agree entirely on the value of a stone, only that the stone itself has the ability to hold value for at least some of the members. Again, the stone holds no value to itself, as the stone is non-sentient.

The man who finds a stone needs help building his house. For this purpose, he needs an able bodied man who is strong enough to lift the stone. This man will have value in this purpose. To the builder, a young, weak man who is not able-bodied will have no value for this project. Likely, in the case of survival, the cripple will provide little value in almost any endeavor.

Does this mean the crippled man has no value to himself? If he discontinues existing, he will no longer be able to experience. The experience itself holds intrinsic value, as without experience, there is no value.

What one person sees in another will never, and can never be an objective declaration of value. There is no system or framework in which all members can or need to agree on value of any person or object. A starving man values a single grape, when the glutton may not value ones that do not immediately please his eyes.

A few questions to ask yourself.

What makes you think that you're so special you should hold an intrinsic value to strangers, if you have not provided some level of value to them?
If you're worried about not being valued, ask yourself what is it you bring to the table worthy of value?

Men are taught from a very early age that in order to be valued in society, they need to bring value to the table. Men focus and hone crafts, trade skills, personality for sales, strength for labor, and a myriad of other value-adding traits.

Do you suppose you should deserve an equal amount of value in the eyes of all if you do not provide something valuable? Or are you making the very simple mistake of believing that having a vagina has somehow equated you to these things?

The problem is that you're used to society saying that because of who you are, you somehow have an intrinsic value. I have just shown you that this is false, there is no intrinsic value beyond that which you have for yourself. Your vagina has given you inflated value to most, since most men are biologically programmed to trip over themselves trying to gain access to one.

We aren't denying that women can bring value to the table. We're just denying that merely having a vagina gets you that value. If you want to be valued by us, you'll have to do it the hard way- the same way we do.

You don't have to though, there are plenty of sex-deprived betas drooling at a chance to worship your vagina. To them you hold value. To us, you're just another person until you've shown us value.

theubercuber · 2013-05-06T17:38:50+00:00

My perception has been that many people in this subreddit view women negatively.

You believe this because it's almost unheard of to criticise a women on any of her faults. This sub doesn't hate women or anything like that, most posters here hate some of the things women do that socially we aren't suppose to talk about or even get mad at. Acknowledging that women do fcked up things sometimes just like men do fucked up things is equality. Honestly this sub isn't even about women.

Women are worth as much as men, no more or less.

[deleted] · 2013-05-06T18:35:25+00:00

As a man, I understood TRP almost instantly when I ran in to it. Men have completely different experiences than most women do and perhaps that is why this subreddit may seem so alien to you.

For some reason, the only issue women have with this forum is that it "speaks of women badly." Well surprise! There are lots of bad experiences out there for men to discuss and try to understand.

I'm not too sure how to answer your question, other than saying "of course you won't fully understand this subreddit!" you have a completely different experience with reality than lots of men do. As we date women, and you do not. (assuming you are hetero)

redsuppository · 2013-05-06T16:51:18+00:00

Personally, I think this subreddit is full of guys who think that all women are amoral and will use men for as long as it suits them. Understandably, this causes resentment and to some degree, I think this is necessary as it balances out the overly-idealized view most men have of women.

md619 · 2013-05-06T17:44:21+00:00

When I say something like "women have no interest in loyalty towards men", you might think that I'm a misogynist and that I hate women. But these are just observations, there's no hatred behind them. A man with options will "friend-zone" a faithful woman he has great chemistry with if she's not attractive enough. Does that mean I think men are scumbags? No, of course not. These things are just our nature and it would be foolish to get angry and upset about them once you get over the inevitability. Rather, it would be better to simply accept them and try and learn about it to use it to your advantage. That is in my opinion the purpose of this subreddit.

freewanderer · 2013-05-06T17:36:45+00:00

Thanks for all users who entertained my poorly worded post. I am wondering if this forum views gender as a risk factor? If being of the male gender puts one at risk for example in the academic environment. My education professor views the male gender as being at risk, in particular in elementary classrooms, because often their behavior is seem as inappropriate which gets them in trouble and sometimes leads to poor academic performance. Literature we read on it suggested lessons where the students can be more active.

itsmehobnob · 2013-05-06T16:22:23+00:00

We will not reiterate our stance everytime someone asks. That is what the side bar is for. You are a troll. You are coming with the preconceived notion that we are misogynists and you expect us to change your mind. You came to us, and expect us to do the work for you. It doesn't work that way.

If you have specific questions we will consider them.

Here is how your post should have went:

"Hey, I notice your side bar says this (blah blah blah) here is why I disagree with that. Here is some evidence to support my stance."

Crackertron · 2013-05-06T22:33:21+00:00

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delta_hedge · 2013-05-06T16:21:32+00:00

we love'm. we just keep in mind they are all hypergamic whores. no contradiction here.

Bobsutan · 2013-05-06T19:05:28+00:00

copypasta of OP in case it's deleted or removed:

Hi, I'm a woman who stumbled across this subreddit. I've perused through the sidebar and have read through many posts. I still do not quite get what this forum's feelings on women are. I've read many posts where people explicitly say that this forum is not about misogyny nor does anyone here hate women and yet I've also read many posts where women are spoken of disparagingly. My perception has been that many people in this subreddit view women negatively. That is my perception, which of course is informed by my own experiences as a woman. I would like to try to understand perspectives outside of my own. So if anyone on this subreddit would care to explain the red pill's view on women and their value, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

favours_of_the_moon · 2013-05-06T21:05:30+00:00

We do not exist to please you.

theubercuber · 2013-05-06T16:39:31+00:00

What you are doing now is nonproductive. I suggest deleting this post and trying another with some specific questions or personal perspectives.

RedSunBlue · 2013-05-07T01:44:56+00:00

I still do not quite get what this forum's feelings on women are.

And you never will because feelings are irrelevant to the larger discussion of sexual dynamics that goes on here.

I've perused through the sidebar and have read through many posts.

In reddit-speak, this means "I've read the titles of many posts and the articles in the sidebar."

I've read many posts where people explicitly say that this forum is not about misogyny nor does anyone here hate women and yet I've also read many posts where women are spoken of disparagingly.

Quotes and links or GTFO.

So if anyone on this subreddit would care to explain the red pill's view on women and their value, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

There's plenty of writing about women and their value in the linked articles on the sidebar. Find something that you agree/disagree with there, make a new post, and ask for clarification/make an argument.

What you are doing is akin to walking into a discussion on the tactics of modern warfare and asking, "Could someone tell me what Americans' feelings are for brown people?"

Title	Please help me understand
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Upvotes	23
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Date	May 6, 2013 4:12 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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